dialamah Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) @Argus, @Army Guy, @DogOnPorch Just because you think that kissing Trump's ass is the right thing to do doesn't mean all Canadians do, or even the majority of Canadians. Edited January 29, 2017 by dialamah Quote
Smallc Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, Army Guy said: It's none of our business......what is on the line is our largest trading partner, defender of north america....Come up with those answer and rock the boat all you want.....until then sit down and wait our turn to see the man... Trade is not always the most important thing in the world. You know that when we're talking about China, but forget that when it comes to the US. Quote
Argus Posted January 29, 2017 Author Report Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, Smallc said: Trudeau is in real trouble now: Clearly you're another guy who couldn't care less what happens to our trade or what happens at the border. Hey, we can grow money on trees! The hell with those Americans! 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, dialamah said: @Argus, @Army Guy, @DogOnPorch Just because you think that kissing Trump's ass is the right thing to do doesn't mean all Canadians do, or even the majority of Canadians. I never called you a Canadian. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Army Guy Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: ^^^ Just because you think that kissing Trump's ass is the right thing to do doesn't mean all Canadians do, or even the majority of Canadians. i wonder if the US shut down trade to canada, and our dollar hit's below 50 cents....you think that would grab them be the balls.....do you think it would be the right thing to do....wake up....i did not say kiss any ass, but i don't agree with going out of your way to comment either.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted January 29, 2017 Author Report Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, Smallc said: Trade is not always the most important thing in the world. You know that when we're talking about China, but forget that when it comes to the US. It's not the most important thing in the world, but it's a whole hell of a lot better than grandstanding on twitter for no more reason than to show the world how magnanimous and inclusive you are. Trudeau is endangering other people's livelihoods just to show how progressive he is. And trade with the US is a HELL of a lot more important than with China. We ship China almost nothing but raw materials while purchasing far, far more in manufactured goods from them. We have the clear upper hand there if we'd use it. The same cannot be said for the trade relationship with the US. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Argus said: Clearly you're another guy who couldn't care less what happens to our trade or what happens at the border. Hey, we can grow money on trees! The hell with those Americans! American money is being far more critical of this than Justin Trudeau. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 Far more immigrants and refugees have settled in the United States than in Canada...including Canadians. Trudeau will have to bring in a lot more to catch up to President Trump's 'murica. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted January 29, 2017 Author Report Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Smallc said: American money is being far more critical of this than Justin Trudeau. This is a grandstanding policy from Trump which is temporary in the first place, and unlikely to stand legally. It's also unlikely to have much impact on anything. Particularly on anything related to Canada. Why in the hell would anyone sane think we need to choose battle-lines over this and risk Trump's vindictive temper tantrums? Edited January 29, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 29, 2017 Author Report Posted January 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I never called you a Canadian. I couldn't imagine ever doing so. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, Smallc said: Trade is not always the most important thing in the world. You know that when we're talking about China, but forget that when it comes to the US. Trade and defense are pretty much more important than being right.....How much trade do we do with the US, and how much do we do with China.....compare the two....pick one that means more than being right about a problem that does not effect us...? Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 President Carter bans Iranians.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
The_Squid Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 Federal court in USA agrees with Trudeau.... Quote
Army Guy Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 Say it can't be so...........i loved that guy.......shit and Iranians to.....i love iranians........Wait to the guys in the back hear, they're making signs right now......ordering buses.....getting their marching shoes out......we'll show you guys.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
The_Squid Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: President Carter bans Iranians.... At least he had a reason.... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, The_Squid said: At least he had a reason.... Yes...President Carter was a thoughtful man of peace...so he banned Iranians ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Army Guy Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, The_Squid said: At least he had a reason.... what difference does it make to you what the US does.....what are you afraid of.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
DogOnPorch Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes...President Carter was a thoughtful man of peace...so he banned Iranians ! Ill fated helicopters stalled in the desert w/o proper filters... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
poochy Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 I don't agree with anything trump has done and would never have voted for him. However, his decisions are his to make, now I get that some of you are immature and you want to stick it to the man, not all but some in this thread have said as much, and that's super cool of course, oohhh the anarchy, etc. Perhaps, Trudeau and Trump have already discussed this very thing, both willing to go their own way publicly to their own benefit. But what strikes me as odd is all the complaints about Trump using twitter the way he does, but when our PM governs through twitter for his own political benefit, and don't kid yourself, it's not just about being Captain Canada, suddenly it's ok, suddenly there is an inherent nobility in this sort of smug governance, instead of a more measured, nation to nation discussion. Anyway, who knows, maybe Trump couldn't care less or has been told what to expect ahead of time and is ok with it, idk. But I know this, many millions of us have real families to take care of, we don't have the option of being the noble, superior, smug Canadian stereotype that so many of you seem to stake your identity on. Here's what's real, we are an ant, and if they so choose to be, the Americans are the boot, perhaps there is really nothing to be concerned about, lets hope so, but this isn't necessarily a little game we get to play without consequences, and while there are some worth fighting for I don't think this is the (ant) hill worth dying for, perhaps a little humility and reality about our true place in the world, not the imagined, particularly liberal smugness about our place is in order before we decide to play moral hero on this particular issue. It's wrong, but did we make similar twitter pronouncements about a hundred other equally or more wrong things done in a hundred other places? Nope, not like this we didn't. 1 Quote
Smallc Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) There is now (finally) some clarification and clarity from the DHS and USCBP. Canadian citizens will not be affected by this ban in any way, as long as they travel on a Canadian passport. That was not believed to be the case by officers and airlines earlier today. This is coming from Trudeau's office. Edited January 29, 2017 by Smallc Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 A foolish move. Twitter is a very dangerous place for politicians. The weekend has been extraordinary already - chaos and confusion caused by Trump as usual - but our PM should say as little as possible until the dust has cleared. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, Smallc said: There is now (finally) some clarification and clarity from the DHS and USCBP. Canadian citizens will not be affected by this ban in any way, as long as they travel on a Canadian passport. That was not believed to be the case by officers and airlines earlier today. What if they possess another passport but don't travel on it? Quote
Smallc Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, poochy said: I don't agree with anything trump has done and would never have voted for him. However, his decisions are his to make, now I get that some of you are immature and you want to stick it to the man, not all but some in this thread have said as much, and that's super cool of course, oohhh the anarchy, etc. Perhaps, Trudeau and Trump have already discussed this very thing, both willing to go their own way publicly to their own benefit. But what strikes me as odd is all the complaints about Trump using twitter the way he does, but when our PM governs through twitter for his own political benefit, and don't kid yourself, it's not just about being Captain Canada, suddenly it's ok, suddenly there is an inherent nobility in this sort of smug governance, instead of a more measured, nation to nation discussion. Anyway, who knows, maybe Trump couldn't care less or has been told what to expect ahead of time and is ok with it, idk. But I know this, many millions of us have real families to take care of, we don't have the option of being the noble, superior, smug Canadian stereotype that so many of you seem to stake your identity on. All of the above might mean something were it just Trudeau speaking out against this. It isn't. Others from the CPC leadership candidates and from governments of around the world have done the same. Trudeau's tweet, as usual, was very mild and balanced. Quote
Smallc Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said: What if they possess another passport but don't travel on it? According to the PMO via CTV, they'll be able to travel the US. Quote
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