dialamah Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Argus said: That's been clarified. It doesn't affect those with green cards. It mostly affects people from failed states where the government has only partial control and where the people who are traveling could be almost anyone. The exception is Iran, but I suppose you could make the case that a self-declared enemy of the US which sponsors terrorism can be treated differently if the Americans choose to do so. Nonetheless, @drummindiver's claim that Trump's ban and the Canadian Government's travel ban are identical is clearly wrong. Quote
Smallc Posted January 29, 2017 Report Posted January 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, Argus said: That's been clarified. It doesn't affect those with green cards. Not clarified. It did affect them. It's been walked back. Quote
drummindiver Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, dialamah said: Nonetheless, @drummindiver's claim that Trump's ban and the Canadian Government's travel ban are identical is clearly wrong. I provided a cite. You've provided nada. Quote
drummindiver Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Smallc said: Not clarified. It did affect them. It's been walked back. It did NOT affect them. The EO clearly states who's affected. Quote
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, drummindiver said: It did NOT affect them. The EO clearly states who's affected. They were being deported last night. You're making things up. You earlier claimed that the EO affects only 1 country - that is no more true than your new claim. Quote
drummindiver Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Smallc said: They were being deported last night. You're making things up. You earlier claimed that the EO affects only 1 country - that is no more true than your new claim. I provided a link which showed the entire EO. Same claim. You're the one making things up and too lazy to read what I provided because it doesnt suit your narrative. Quote
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, drummindiver said: I provided a link which showed the entire EO. Same claim. You're the one making things up and too lazy to read what I provided because it doesnt suit your narrative. It's right here in Section 3: Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern. Those countries were previously named by the US as countries of concern. There was no need to name them in the order. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 6 hours ago, Smallc said: When Charles Adler, Jason Kenney, and Erin O'toole all side with Justin Trudeau and in fact go further in their statements, you know you're not on the right side of this if you're for it. wow, your right these guys have never been wrong. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: wow, your right these guys have never been wrong. Everyone is wrong - you're so right. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 6 hours ago, Smallc said: That first part is a cop out - everything can always be improved upon. The second part could easily be disproven - Canada's governments have never taken that position, and there's a reason for that. You did say never did you not, what about the jewish crises after the second world war.....what was our policy back then. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 5 hours ago, Smallc said: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/justin-trudeau-finds-allies-across-political-lines-in-signalling-disapproval-of-trumps-travel-ban Trudeau is on the right side of this issue. Why does there have to be a side, when it does not effect Canada in any way.....Or do we now allow our government to intervene or make statements on other nations policies....As the PM of Canada he is in our top leadership position , he is to act in the best interest of our nation, Why is this in our best interest when it has nothing to do with our nation, or our policies or reflects on Canadians in any way....This is nothing more than scoring pionts on the world stage , at President trumps expense.....the man that has our econemy in the palm of his hand......WHY would you want to poke that bear.....So we can be right......I might remind you, you can't feed Canadians "right"..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Posted January 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Why does there have to be a side, when it does not effect Canada in any way.....Or do we now allow our government to intervene or make statements on other nations policies....As the PM of Canada he is in our top leadership position , he is to act in the best interest of our nation, Why is this in our best interest when it has nothing to do with our nation, B-But... but they're banning brown people! We can't allow that! We MUST defend their right to travel to the US without regard to what the US wants! Even if it means war! We're progressives, after all. We love everyone, except for the people we hate. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 23 minutes ago, Smallc said: Everyone is wrong - you're so right. 4 guys does not make everyone.....and like i have said before it does not effect Canada, nor it's citizens, does it......SO why does it matter to you and these 4 guys... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 22 minutes ago, Army Guy said: You did say never did you not, what about the jewish crises after the second world war.....what was our policy back then. We were wrong back then - that was a different time. Quote
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, Army Guy said: 4 guys does not make everyone Who said it does? Quote
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 12 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Why does there have to be a side, when it does not effect Canada in any way It affected Canada at the time. It still may. Quote
Argus Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Posted January 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Smallc said: It affected Canada at the time. It still may. If your glorious leader can't keep his stupid tweet quiet it may. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, Argus said: If your glorious leader can't keep his stupid tweet quiet it may. He's your leader too. Trump was talking about John McCain wanting WWIII on Twitter today. Trudeau's tweet was pretty tame. Quote
Argus Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Posted January 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Smallc said: He's your leader too. Trump was talking about John McCain wanting WWIII on Twitter today. Trudeau's tweet was pretty tame. If the position you're going to take is he's not as much of a moron as Trump you've set the bar pretty damned low. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, Smallc said: Who said it does? you did, on this page actually..... Quote When Charles Adler, Jason Kenney, and Erin O'toole all side with Justin Trudeau and in fact go further in their statements, you know you're not on the right side of this if you're for it. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, Smallc said: It affected Canada at the time. It still may. How is it effecting Canada..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, Argus said: If the position you're going to take is he's not as much of a moron as Trump you've set the bar pretty damned low. What he said isn't moronic. There are very few people that see it your way on this. Quote
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, Army Guy said: you did, on this page actually..... No, I didn't. That's not even remotely what that says. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 12 minutes ago, Smallc said: We were wrong back then - that was a different time. But you said we as a nation have NEVER had such a policy......But we have had such a policy so your wrong.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, Army Guy said: How is it effecting Canada..... At the time he made that tweet, Canadian dual citizens of those countries (35,000 people) and permanent residents were affected by this. Now they're (apparently) not. The tweet he made said nothing against Trump or any US policy, and only promoted Canada's position. Quote
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