Omni Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 It will be interesting to see how badly the GOP gets crushed during the Trump presidency. They seem to be headed that way right off the bat. I bet there are a lot of smiles around the DNC today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Yeah...things are going great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Omni said: It will be interesting to see how badly the GOP gets crushed during the Trump presidency. They seem to be headed that way right off the bat. I bet there are a lot of smiles around the DNC today. The guys not even taken office yet, but scored a huge deal with about $700 Million invested into Michigan by Ford Motor Company, along with almost 1000 jobs. Today was a pretty good day for President Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Yeah...things are going great. Yes...Democrats are rejoicing ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes...Democrats are rejoicing ! Yeah where's Hillary? Awful quiet lately. She must be somewhere celebrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Yeah...things are going great. Going great eh? So far he has managed to piss of GM. Apparently the little bug doesn't seem to know where their cars are actually made. And then of course he pissed off his own party trying to dump the ethics committee. Popcorn sales are gonna go through the roof I'm tellin' ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Democrats and their Canadian sycophants have Trump and the Republicans right where they want them....in total control ! More time to make popcorn....nothing else to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 28 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: The guys not even taken office yet, but scored a huge deal with about $700 Million invested into Michigan by Ford Motor Company, along with almost 1000 jobs. Today was a pretty good day for President Trump. Ford CEO Mark Fields said Ford would have gone ahead with the decision whether or not Trump was elected president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 So he's managed to rile a few feathers with some major corps. already. What happens when he actually takes office. Pass the popcorn. https://www.thestar.com/business/2017/01/03/trump-threatens-to-slap-taxes-on-general-motors-in-tweet.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Ford CEO Mark Fields said Ford would have gone ahead with the decision whether or not Trump was elected president. I've not seen that quote. Here are some of the quotes I've seen- The move marks a sharp reversal for Ford, which has defended its production in Mexico even as Trump has assailed the company for expanding there. "This is a vote of confidence for President-elect Trump and some of the policies he may be pursuing," Fields said. Ford cancels Mexico plant, expands U.S. factory and adds 700 jobs Seems clear it was done at least in part because Trump won the presidency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, OftenWrong said: ....Seems clear it was done at least in part because Trump won the presidency. Agreed....big capital plans like that include project risks and assumptions. President-Elect Trump made a big change to those (taxes/tariffs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed....big capital plans like that include project risks and assumptions. President-Elect Trump made a big change to those (taxes/tariffs). Exactly. With the DOW on a climb since Trump won, the business climate is changing and corporations want to avoid any new tariffs that Trump has been promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I've not seen that quote. Even FoxNews carried the quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, sharkman said: With the DOW on a climb since Trump won The holidays were not good to the DOW, but today was so we will see if it continues to climb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Even FoxNews carried the quote. I see. Yes, the CEO did try to downplay the notion that the decision was directly influenced by Trump's election win, and he has his reasons for saying that. It is just talk, after all. Actions speak louder than words. During the election they vehemently defended their position to move production to Mexico. Mere weeks after Trumps victory, they have reversed their decision. From the much more detailed Reuters article:When Trump announced his campaign in June, 2015, he said Ford would cancel its planned Mexico investments. "They’ll say,‘Mr. President we’ve decided to move the plant back to the United States — we’re not going to build it in Mexico.’ That’s it. They have no choice," Trump said.Ford executive chairman Bill Ford Jr. told reporters he spoke with Trump to notify him of the decision. The company said the decision was influenced by Trump's policy goals such as lowering taxes and regulations but that there were no negotiations over the decision announced on Tuesday. They may have persuaded themselves that there were other good reasons to change the business plan, but having a powerful enemy in the White House seems good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I see. Yes, the CEO did try to downplay the notion that the decision was directly influenced by Trump's election win In other words you decide what he meant to suit your purpose. I could argue that his other words were just sucking up to Twit Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, ?Impact said: In other words you decide what he meant to suit your purpose. I could argue that his other words were just sucking up to Twit Trump. Wrong conclusion. Trump predicted this exact outcome in June 2015. He quoted verbatim what the CEO would say when he called to make the announcement. Like I said, actions speak louder than words. Businessmen sucking up to the President of the USA? Naaaw, never happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Democrats and their Canadian sycophants have Trump and the Republicans right where they want them....in total control ! More time to make popcorn....nothing else to do. Speaking of sycophants, are you sure you're not Canadian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Omni said: Speaking of sycophants, are you sure you're not Canadian? How can the Canadian sycophants help the Democrats ? Why didn't all those Canadian polls about an election in a foreign country help them ? The Obama love affair will soon be over...he is the last Democrat standing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 18 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: How can the Canadian sycophants help the Democrats ? Why didn't all those Canadian polls about an election in a foreign country help them ? The Obama love affair will soon be over...he is the last Democrat standing. Yeah too bad those Russians were able to swamp your system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 Disarray is normal after a defeat - good for a party, really. The direction taken was a losing one so a period of internal debate is in order. Both traditional US parties will have problems dealing with the emerging anti-globalist trend. The Republicans have been solidly free trade and anti-Russian for decades. They just have to sit quiet for a while with Trump in charge but there are serious differences of opinion lurking just beneath the surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 On 11/19/2016 at 3:31 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: Because that is the whole story....net losses....more than under any president from Truman to G.W. Bush. Where was the "whole story" when some here proclaimed the demise of the Republican Party ? No, its not the whole story. The whole story was Obama was insanely popular as a candidate, he allowed alot of democrats to get elected in states, houses, congress, and local government who had ZERO chance of getting elected otherwise. This guy had 60 senate votes at one point and a house majority. Democrats have come off of an unusual high with Obama and then reality came back. It also didn't help that Republicans have been engaging in tactics to prevent Democrats from getting their voters out and purging the voters list and attack poor and minority voters and voting rights. Once you erode the ability of people to vote, you are eroding democratic voters. Democrats were not thinking about Republicans stealing elections. That doesn't mean Republicans don't have an issue, they do, the nation's demographics are firmly against them. They have lost every elections popular vote except one since 1992. The last 6 of 7 elections Democrats have won the popular vote. Trump was a very unpopular president, and still is, although enjoys large popularity from Republicans. Trump's voters aren't going to be around in a decade mostly. Obama was unique, he was a Northern Democrat who was elected twice. He is the ONLY Northern Democrat in the last 117 years elected twice. The closest to him is FDR (elected 3 times); and Woodrow Wilson (elected twice but born in the South although he went on to become a Northern Governor). The democrats are undergoing a battle similar to the GOP did back in 2010-2008. It is a battle for the core of the party. On the one side, you have the Nancy Pelosi, Hilary Clinton, Gillenbrand, Perez corporate democrats (who are the so called blue dog democrats which look alot like their conservative moderate republican counter parts). Hilary Clinton and Pelosi represent these types of sellout democrats the best. On the otherside, you have the democratic base and majority of voters in the nation, the progressive wing. The Bernie Sanders, Obama, Elizabeth Warren etc. The problem the dems have, is the corporate wing is better financed like Clinton, but the progressive wing is the only one with any chance of winning an election. Which is why Clinton had to rig the election and rob bernie. O well, that is the price the dnc pays for running an unwinnable candidate. Conservatives don't swing and vote for democcrats anymore, it is not 1992 when people use to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 On 11/19/2016 at 3:31 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: Because that is the whole story....net losses....more than under any president from Truman to G.W. Bush. Where was the "whole story" when some here proclaimed the demise of the Republican Party ? No, its not the whole story. The whole story was Obama was insanely popular as a candidate, he allowed alot of democrats to get elected in states, houses, congress, and local government who had ZERO chance of getting elected otherwise. This guy had 60 senate votes at one point and a house majority. Democrats have come off of an unusual high with Obama and then reality came back. It also didn't help that Republicans have been engaging in tactics to prevent Democrats from getting their voters out and purging the voters list and attack poor and minority voters and voting rights. Once you erode the ability of people to vote, you are eroding democratic voters. Democrats were not thinking about Republicans stealing elections. That doesn't mean Republicans don't have an issue, they do, the nation's demographics are firmly against them. They have lost every elections popular vote except one since 1992. The last 6 of 7 elections Democrats have won the popular vote. Trump was a very unpopular president, and still is, although enjoys large popularity from Republicans. Trump's voters aren't going to be around in a decade mostly. Obama was unique, he was a Northern Democrat who was elected twice. He is the ONLY Northern Democrat in the last 117 years elected twice. The closest to him is FDR (elected 3 times); and Woodrow Wilson (elected twice but born in the South although he went on to become a Northern Governor). The democrats are undergoing a battle similar to the GOP did back in 2010-2008. It is a battle for the core of the party. On the one side, you have the Nancy Pelosi, Hilary Clinton, Gillenbrand, Perez corporate democrats (who are the so called blue dog democrats which look alot like their conservative moderate republican counter parts). Hilary Clinton and Pelosi represent these types of sellout democrats the best. On the otherside, you have the democratic base and majority of voters in the nation, the progressive wing. The Bernie Sanders, Obama, Elizabeth Warren etc. The problem the dems have, is the corporate wing is better financed like Clinton, but the progressive wing is the only one with any chance of winning an election. Which is why Clinton had to rig the election and rob bernie. O well, that is the price the dnc pays for running an unwinnable candidate. Conservatives don't swing and vote for democcrats anymore, it is not 1992 when people use to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 On 1/3/2017 at 9:27 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: How can the Canadian sycophants help the Democrats ? Why didn't all those Canadian polls about an election in a foreign country help them ? The Obama love affair will soon be over...he is the last Democrat standing. I will venture a guess Obama will even "trump" Bill Clinton when it comes to payments for speaking engagements. So I'd say the love affair is far from over. And can you imagine anyone hiring Trump to speak, especially if/when he gets thrown out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 26 minutes ago, hernanday said: Obama was unique, he was a Northern Democrat who was elected twice. He is the ONLY Northern Democrat in the last 117 years elected twice. I guess he did't do any open car tours through the south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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