Wilber Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nice...I like that analogy. Canadians understand hockey. We don't need the analogy, it can happen in our system as welll. Where the votes are is more important than the total number. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
?Impact Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: OK....and law enforcement is putting them on notice that riot and vandalism is illegal, and they will be arrested/prosecuted. Did you hear the protesters trying to get the right wing anarchist vandals to stop. The protestors are not the ones causing the problem. On the electoral college, they are free to pick Clinton or anyone else if they so choose. The petition that already has over 3 million signatures is to get the electoral college to restore democracy by respecting the popular vote, and eliminating the unfit to serve Trump. Yes, everyone went into this process knowing the rules, and if they manage to get the electoral college to pick someone other than Trump then I expect no whining from the right wing. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ?Impact said: On the electoral college, they are free to pick Clinton or anyone else if they so choose. The petition that already has over 3 million signatures is to get the electoral college to restore democracy by respecting the popular vote, and eliminating the unfit to serve Trump. Yes, everyone went into this process knowing the rules, and if they manage to get the electoral college to pick someone other than Trump then I expect no whining from the right wing. Not going to happen. U.S. election precedent is not going to be overturned by another cute online petition that is so popular with the very folks who are whining about the outcome. Voting (and not voting) has real consequences that cannot be wished away by a feel good petition after the fact. Classic millennial fail..... Edited November 12, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
?Impact Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Not going to happen. While I agree it is not going to happen, just like we saw on Tuesday thing do not always turn out the way we expect. All I was pointing out is if it did happen, I expect you to be a grown up and accept the outcome and not whine. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, ?Impact said: While I agree it is not going to happen, just like we saw on Tuesday thing do not always turn out the way we expect. All I was pointing out is if it did happen, I expect you to be a grown up and accept the outcome and not whine. ??? I didn't vote for Clinton or Trump...voted third party. Of course I would accept the outcome, as this is not my first rodeo. As I have stated many times, this was just another U.S. presidential election and not the end of the world. I already survived the first President Clinton. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
OftenWrong Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 2 hours ago, cybercoma said: You know what I find stupid and wrong? That in 4 pages of discussion about the protests not a single person has talked about Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote and the fundamentally undemocratic nature of the electoral college, nor has anyone brought up voter suppression. The electoral college is the most fair system, for reasons already stated. What you are suggesting is unfair and undemocratic. But you should already know that. The same general principle applies in Canada re: "Ridings". The leftist liberal agitators have convinced so many of the politically uneducated, in their highly agitated emotional state, to believe their lies. Quote
The_Squid Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 They did take their cue from Trump.... all his rhetoric about not accepting the results of the election.... and now there are people on the streets not accepting the results of the election..... what a shocker... Quote
Altai Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 American news media dont actually reflect the protests against Trump person. Protests are quite serious and turns violent in some places but media is hiding it. If it was another country, American media would make 24 hours live broadcoasts from the event area by fitting hundreds of lies. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Derek 2.0 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 5 hours ago, -TSS- said: Let's try to explain the nature of the electoral college Better yet, explain to them how it is actually proportional, in that points are distributed based on Congressional districts in each State (plus two Senate seats per), which are allocated through population totals from the US Census. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 5 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: EC was designed to PREVENT bully states lording it over smaller states. No, that is the purview of the Senate. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 Lording over during an election I should say. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Derek 2.0 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 2 hours ago, ?Impact said: All I was pointing out is if it did happen, I expect you to be a grown up and accept the outcome and not whine. If it did happen, the ensuing political crisis would result in the Second US Civil war........instead of North versus South, left versus right or blue versus red.....or better yet, the armed versus the unarmed. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 Some police departments are successfully calming violent Millennial protesters by just giving them participation trophies and stickers. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 These Trump protesters can't be very serious based on their numbers. A real protest would look like what is happening in South Korea > 850,000 people ! http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/south-korea-president-protests-1.3848259 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 Whoa...looks like a Trump rally. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
drummindiver Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 10 hours ago, ?Impact said: While I agree it is not going to happen, just like we saw on Tuesday thing do not always turn out the way we expect. All I was pointing out is if it did happen, I expect you to be a grown up and accept the outcome and not whine. Ironic you demand that yet you can't accept the results without, you know. Quote
drummindiver Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 46 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Some police departments are successfully calming violent Millennial protesters by just giving them participation trophies and stickers. I wish there was a like button. Quote
Argus Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 10 hours ago, Wilber said: We don't need the analogy, it can happen in our system as welll. Where the votes are is more important than the total number. Obviously since neither the current government nor the previous one got more than 40% of the vote. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
The_Squid Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 When candidate Trump espouses violence and threatens assassination (2nd amendment people), it should hardly be surprising that there is a violent reaction to his election. Quote
Wilber Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Argus said: Obviously since neither the current government nor the previous one got more than 40% of the vote. Lest than 50% in a system with more than two parties can happen in any FPTP system particularly if it has more than two parties, even if there is 100% participation. My point was a losing party can actually get more votes than the winner. This happened in the 1996 BC election when the liberals got 41.8% of the popular vote but only won 33 seats. The NDP got 39.5% of the popular vote and won 39 seats. Edited November 12, 2016 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
sharkman Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 56 minutes ago, The_Squid said: When candidate Trump espouses violence and threatens assassination (2nd amendment people), it should hardly be surprising that there is a violent reaction to his election. Look, you're just going to have to put on your big boy pants and accept the reality of Trump's win. Repeating wild eyed lies to excuse violence is silly. Quote
BubberMiley Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, sharkman said: Look, you're just going to have to put on your big boy pants and accept the reality of Trump's win. Repeating wild eyed lies to excuse violence is silly. If you're going to call people liars, you should at least have the cajones to provide your alternate reality interpretation of what he really meant by "second amendment people." Then we could all at least have a good laugh. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Wilber Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 13 minutes ago, sharkman said: Look, you're just going to have to put on your big boy pants and accept the reality of Trump's win. Repeating wild eyed lies to excuse violence is silly. I don't know what election you were watching. Trump is going to have a hell of a time trying to stuff the hatred he injected and exploited during this campaign back into the bottle. I doubt it is possible. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 Just now, Wilber said: I don't know what election you were watching. Trump is going to have a hell of a time trying to stuff the hatred he injected and exploited during this campaign back into the bottle. I doubt it is possible. I doubt he will try. It's useful to him. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
?Impact Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 2 hours ago, drummindiver said: Ironic you demand that yet you can't accept the results without, you know. Where did i ever say I don't accept the results? I was just pointing out perfectly legal, although very unlikely, scenario. The results are clear, a larger number of people voted for Clinton than voted for Trump, do you accept that? The electoral college are the ones who pick the President, do you accept that? While some states have resolutions that dictate how the electoral college is to vote, they are only enforceable by monetary fines, do you accept that. Most states do impose any binding rules on how their members of the electoral college vote, only convention, do you accept that? Quote
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