Demonstrations against Trump

bush_cheney2004 · November 10, 2016

Just now, Boges said:

Then ban polling numbers being published during political campaigns. I certainly support that in Canada.

This is happening indirectly.....samples are being tilted by respondents purposely lying. There is a significant resentment element that pollsters try to calibrate out.

Changes to access points (like telephone land lines) also changes things up. That's why/how I think the L.A. Times did the best job.

sharkman · November 10, 2016

Yeah, oddly enough, the LA Times was much closer to the Trump truth, so of course they were excused as an outlier. And now, as you mentioned, the Dem party is in disarray.

Topaz · November 10, 2016

First of all, the real polls did know Trump was ahead along BUT G. Soros the paid the polls to make Hillary was leading and now the protestors ( terrorists-like) are pushing the Trump family out of the Towers because of security and a no-fly zone has been placed! Many of these protestors should be called terrorists because they are causing terror!

BubberMiley · November 10, 2016

51 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Yeah, oddly enough, the LA Times was much closer to the Trump truth, so of course they were excused as an outlier. And now, as you mentioned, the Dem party is in disarray.

Actually, no. They consistently said Trump was ahead in the popular vote and everybody else said that Hillary was slightly ahead. Turns out they were right. Hillary had that advantage.

Hal 9000 · November 10, 2016

It's pretty simple really, The media bagged so hard on Trump, his surrogates and any Trump supporter they could find. Even people on the street were grilled about why they would vote for Trump. Women didn't dare say they were for Trump because then it was "you'd take this misogynist over voting for the first woman". They treated any Latino the same way.

I'm not surprised that when polled, people either lied or didn't respond. Trumps people knew this and said as much, but were literally called delusional.

drummindiver · November 10, 2016

Why the big issue with polls? No one bases their political opinion on who is leading in a poll (I would hope).

Democracy happened. Get over it Dems. We have to suffer Trudeau and we aren't whinging on the streets about it...yet.

BubberMiley · November 10, 2016

29 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Trudeau is a false equivalency. He isn't a racist, lying misogynist with ties to Russia.

kactus · November 10, 2016

8 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Trudeau is a false equivalency. He isn't a racist, lying misogynist with ties to Russia.

Exactly right! And to that list I may add xenophobic

BubberMiley · November 11, 2016

We must remember the wise words of Donald J. Trump when he mistakenly thought Obama won the electoral college and not the popular vote in 2012:

"This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy! ...More votes equals a loss...Revolution! ...Lets (sic) fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us...We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty."

But I haven't heard anyone on "the Left" calling for revolution. I have only heard people expressing their anger at the stupid idiots who voted for him.

Smallc · November 11, 2016

Did he really say that?

How did people take this guy seriously?

Edited November 11, 2016 by Smallc

Bonam · November 11, 2016

43 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

But I haven't heard anyone on "the Left" calling for revolution. I have only heard people expressing their anger at the stupid idiots who voted for him.

I've seen plenty calling for riots, insurrection, disobedience, secession, etc. No side of the political spectrum has a monopoly on getting riled up and staying stupid stuff.

And calling Trump supporters "stupid idiots" for the last 2 years is a big part of what led him to win. All those idiots didn't take kindly to being insulted and they made sure to come out on election day to spit in the faces of those who insulted them. Unlike democratic voters who for the most part weren't very excited about their candidate and didn't bother coming out... 10 million fewer voters than in 2012.

Smallc · November 11, 2016

7 minutes ago, Bonam said:

I've seen plenty calling for riots, insurrection, disobedience, secession, etc. No side of the political spectrum has a monopoly on getting riled up and staying stupid stuff.

And calling Trump supporters "stupid idiots" for the last 2 years is a big part of what led him to win. All those idiots didn't take kindly to being insulted and they made sure to come out on election day to spit in the faces of those who insulted them. Unlike democratic voters who for the most part weren't very excited about their candidate and didn't bother coming out... 10 million fewer voters than in 2012.

Both camps didn't turn out:

bush_cheney2004 · November 11, 2016

9 minutes ago, Bonam said:

And calling Trump supporters "stupid idiots" for the last 2 years is a big part of what led him to win. All those idiots didn't take kindly to being insulted and they made sure to come out on election day to spit in the faces of those who insulted them. Unlike democratic voters who for the most part weren't very excited about their candidate and didn't bother coming out... 10 million fewer voters than in 2012.

Yeppers....biggest FU in recent American political history.

Bonam · November 11, 2016

2 minutes ago, Smallc said:

Both camps didn't turn out:

On the contrary, that chart shows exactly what I said. Republican turnout was essentially the same, only down slightly (~2 million). Meanwhile Democratic turnout was down ~7 million, a huge change.

Smallc · November 11, 2016

That both candidates had fewer votes speaks volumes. Lots of people stayed home, even if more of them were democrats.

BubberMiley · November 11, 2016

21 minutes ago, Bonam said:

I've seen plenty calling for riots, insurrection, disobedience, secession, etc. No side of the political spectrum has a monopoly on getting riled up and staying stupid stuff.

Only one side elected such a person to the highest office because their feelings were hurt for being stupid though.

Bonam · November 11, 2016

3 minutes ago, Smallc said:

That both candidates had fewer votes speaks volumes. Lots of people stayed home, even if more of them were democrats.

The whole democratic narrative that a bunch of hillbilly racists took over the country by electing Trump is shown to be a lie though. The Republican nominee got pretty much exactly as many votes as the Republican nominee always gets. But Democrats stayed home, thus losing themselves the election.

In some sense, as much as I find a president Trump distasteful... it's kind of fun watching all the liberals be shocked and dismayed as their bubble burst around them. So much melodrama, "woe is me", the "world is ending" posts everywhere.

bush_cheney2004 · November 11, 2016

1 minute ago, Bonam said:

The whole democratic narrative that a bunch of hillbilly racists took over the country by electing Trump is shown to be a lie though. The Republican nominee got pretty much exactly as many votes as the Republican nominee always gets. But Democrats stayed home, thus losing themselves the election.

True....Clinton did not get the same turnout or support as President Obama. She did not maintain the Dem's "firewall", failing to even visit the state of Wisconsin during the general election. Trump took Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania away from her.

BC_chick · November 11, 2016

5 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

We must remember the wise words of Donald J. Trump when he mistakenly thought Obama won the electoral college and not the popular vote in 2012:

"This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy! ...More votes equals a loss...Revolution! ...Lets (sic) fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us...We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty."

But I haven't heard anyone on "the Left" calling for revolution. I have only heard people expressing their anger at the stupid idiots who voted for him.

Oh wow. I'm surprised the media isn't all over this.

BC_chick · November 11, 2016

FPTP may have *an inkling* of an argument when it comes to parliament, congress, US senate where regional representation is important within a large body of government, but for the executive where it's one person it really makes no sense.

I've been reading a lot about the justification for it and it seems there is none. It's an archaic system with absolutely no relevance in the modern world.

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DogOnPorch · November 11, 2016

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

True....Clinton did not get the same turnout or support as President Obama. She did not maintain the Dem's "firewall", failing to even visit the state of Wisconsin during the general election. Trump took Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania away from her.

She was very ill...and I'm not certain she has recovered. There are great meds out there to keep one upright...at a cost.

sharkman · November 11, 2016

The last two days of campaigning, it was obvious she was on some uppers or something stranger.

BubberMiley · November 11, 2016

32 minutes ago, sharkman said:

The last two days of campaigning, it was obvious she was on some uppers or something stranger.

Was she sniffing like she blew out her sinus cavity, doctor?

segnosaur · November 11, 2016

On 11/10/2016 at 2:51 AM, kimmy said:

Hard to feel sorry for the protestors... the election was yesterday. If you didn't want Trump to be President, you picked the wrong night to stay home, dummies.

Well, you're assuming the protesters were the ones who stayed home on election day. Its quite possible that all of them (or the vast majority) did vote on election day, and/or actively campaigned to get Hillary elected. And many of them may have a right to feel a little miffed that the rules allowed their candidate to win the popular vote yet still lose the election.

(Not that I agree with the protests... the rules of the election were clearly spelled out before hand, and there may be more productive ways to channel their energy.)

It's especially hard to feel sorry for the "Bernie Bros" who thought it would be cool to cast ballots for Harambe the Gorilla. Hope that was worth it. Dank meme, bro. Enjoy the next 20 years of conservative Supreme Court rulings.

I also find it hard to feel sorry for supporters of the Green Party. They wanted to protect the environment and thought "I don't like Hillary", and now they've gotten someone in office that thinks global warming is a hoax. Hope you like it warm!

DogOnPorch · November 11, 2016

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

The last two days of campaigning, it was obvious she was on some uppers or something stranger.

That she didn't come down, herself, to reassure her shattered supporters...but rather "sent Podesta"...was telling. Crash n' burn, I figured...no point in more drugs.