msj Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Signs turned up at the university of Calgary today that were not very nice: https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/anti-muslim-poster-u-of-c-censored1.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=720&h=664&crop=1 The gist is: Dear Muslims, F... your beheadings F... your sharia Etc etc link above. The police are looking into these acts of intolerance. Questions: 1) I have not seen all of the posters yet, but the one linked above appears to be used the most by the media. Is it offensive? 2) why or why not ? 3) what is the purpose for spreading such posters? Will they convince people to want to f... Muslims or Islam or will they demonstrate that Calgary is a town full of ...? 4) if one happens to mostly agree with the poster - since all and any religious ideas should go f themselves on account of being bad ideas - does that make one an accessory to intolerance? Or put differently, is agreeing with the sentiments of the poster sanitizing behaviour unbecoming of those in a secular democracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) I don't disagree with the gist of the poster, but it's typical of very linear, stupid thinking. "Yer with us, or yer with them".... Using such a broad brush with your "protest" is stupid.... like blaming all Christians for the bombing of an abortion clinic. These issues are more nuanced than the idiots who wrote the poster understand. Yes, there are awful teachings in their holy book, but "Muslims" are not the problem, even if I don't like their religion. Muslim extremists are the problem. Edited October 5, 2016 by The_Squid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Or put differently, is agreeing with the sentiments of the poster sanitizing behaviour unbecoming of those in a secular democracy?There is a general prohibition of incitement of hate. These definitions can be abused by political actors to suppress legitimate expression of opinions, however, by treating all Muslims as the same these posters crossed the line into what should be considered hate speech. If the poster had stopped after the first 4 f*** and ended with a call for Canadian Muslims to stand up and vocally condemn these acts then it would be crude but legit free speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I'm not sure if there's anything in the poster that reaches the level of incitement of hatred. Offensive, yes, but criminal? I'm not sure. Regardless, this is extremely stupid and counterproductive. It's basically a huge slap in the face for Muslims who've adopted more western attitudes. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I don't see the poster as a crime, as far as I can tell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I'm not sure if there's anything in the poster that reaches the level of incitement of hatred.Yeah you are right. I read the law and it explicitly states that the incitement of "genocide" is a necessary requirement. Calling for people to voluntarily exile themselves is a long way from that. I guess the best response is to condemn the gross generalization while agreeing that the 4 listed items are extremely offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) Yes, there are awful teachings in their holy book, but "Muslims" are not the problem, even if I don't like their religion. Muslim extremists are the problem. There are awful teachings in their holy book. True. At the same time, there are awful teachings in the other major religions' holy books as well. Edited October 5, 2016 by marcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 My opinion: No one, especially the government should be able to limit free speech. Even if the speech is semi-literate, hateful and bigoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 The only intolerance demonstrated here is possible limitations on freedom of expression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 The only intolerance demonstrated here is possible limitations on freedom of expression. How was that demonstrated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I notice that the Muslim Brotherhood/MSA is involved in this affair. All bets are off re: who made them. They could well be behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 How was that demonstrated? I think the fact someone is so angry about this but felt the need to secretly post printouts on the walls probably indicates the level of speech intolerance he or she is experiencing. I.e., they said in the poster what they don't dare say in and around campus for fear of being expelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Imagine someone going around putting up posters..... Dear Catholics F... your child molestation. F... your forcing 10 year olds raped by their fathers to give birth. Etc. It would be stupid because the majority of Catholics in Canada don't support those things. Dare I say nearly none of them support that stuff. The same goes for stupidly calling out all Muslims for the acts of terrorists, who on the whole target and kill other Muslims far more frequently than anyone else. Many of the Muslims in Canada, who weren't born here, fled from terrorists and radicals. So this poster lumping those survivors in with the animals is incredibly f...ing stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Illegal? Probably not. The kind of crap the university wants representing it by being plastered on their walls? Undoubtedly not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 That's not very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I notice that the Muslim Brotherhood/MSA is involved in this affair. All bets are off re: who made them. They could well be behind it. How is the Muslim Brotherhood involved? Please provide a cite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 This is how the university responds. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=678916598934053&set=a.118420721650313.23916.100004471569457&type=3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 But yet nobody cares about Israeli aparthied day in universities where the Jewish kids go thru hell while it is on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I think the fact someone is so angry about this but felt the need to secretly post printouts on the walls probably indicates the level of speech intolerance he or she is experiencing. I.e., they said in the poster what they don't dare say in and around campus for fear of being expelled. Only a douchebag would say those things. That person obviously knew he/she was a douchebag, so he/she sulked around in the dark like the little chickenshit he/she is in order to spread their offensive propaganda. No freedom of speech was infringed. If you want to be a douchebag, then shout your obscenities from the mountain top, and be ostracized from society like you should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 But yet nobody cares about Israeli aparthied day in universities where the Jewish kids go thru hell while it is on. What kind of hell do Jewish kids go through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 How is the Muslim Brotherhood involved? Please provide a cite. The Muslim Students' Association is a Muslim Brotherhood affiliate. You're free to look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) The Muslim Students' Association is a Muslim Brotherhood affiliate. You're free to look it up. I think you're full of crap. Edited October 5, 2016 by The_Squid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 I think you're full of crap. That's nice. The Muslim Students' Association remains a Muslim Brotherhood affiliate no matter your opinion of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Only a douchebag would say those things. That person obviously knew he/she was a douchebag, so he/she sulked around in the dark like the little chickenshit he/she is in order to spread their offensive propaganda. No freedom of speech was infringed. If you want to be a douchebag, then shout your obscenities from the mountain top, and be ostracized from society like you should be. What do you think about their beheadings, their sharia, their genital mutilations, etc? Or is it just the method of getting the message across that you disagree with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 What do you think about their beheadings, their sharia, their genital mutilations, etc? Or is it just the method of getting the message across that you disagree with? This would be the MSA's pledge of allegiance... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRNCYRBBEu8 ...nice and friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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