?Impact Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Trudeau, Dion and McKenna will have a very different spin on the matter, but that is where it is going under their watch. I don't think any of them, singularly or collectively, are up to the task of negotiating with China. Then what is your strategy for negotiating international trade? If not by our representative, first past the post, federal government which I am told is the perfect system and doesn't need to be fixed, how? Quote
overthere Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 If they break the treaty it's over. That's how treaties work. LIke NAFTA? Please stop trying to sell this rubbish. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
overthere Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Then what is your strategy for negotiating international trade? If not by our representative, first past the post, federal government which I am told is the perfect system and doesn't need to be fixed, how? Hire some qualified people to do a trade deal, one that is not linked to extortion on other issues like release of prisoners, extradition treaties to countries without due process or fake canola crises. Trudeau, Dion and McKenna are just not capable at this level.. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Smallc Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 LIke NAFTA? Please stop trying to sell this rubbish. If someone was extradited and killed or tortured, a charter challenge would be launched and that would be that. Quote
eyeball Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Hire some qualified people to do a trade deal, one that is not linked to extortion on other issues like release of prisoners, extradition treaties to countries without due process or fake canola crises. Trudeau, Dion and McKenna are just not capable at this level.. I'd say the number of people on the planet with the moral and ethical background for negotiating between nation-states could probably only be counted on one hand. The Dalai Lama, Aung Saan Su Ky and Guujaaw to name a few. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
PIK Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 All china has to do is promise not to execute people. But they will just send them to a gulag instead. Trudeau, Dion and McKenna has to be one of the weakest teams ever put together. We went from Harper being one of the smartest people in the room, to the 3 stooges. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
?Impact Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Hire some qualified people to do a trade deal, one that is not linked to extortion on other issues like release of prisoners, extradition treaties to countries without due process or fake canola crises. Trudeau, Dion and McKenna are just not capable at this level.. Do you not think there is a large team at Global Affairs Canada to support the trade deals? Quote
?Impact Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 We went from Harper being one of the smartest people in the room, to the 3 stooges. All I can say is thank god for the 3 stooges, because the smartest person in the room was a complete dud. Quote
Smallc Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 All china has to do is promise not to execute people. But they will just send them to a gulag instead. Then Canada could not extradite. Quote
eyeball Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 All I can say is thank god for the 3 stooges, because the smartest person in the room was a complete dud. There was a time when Harper could have been one of the more ethical or moral people in the room - he's on record as saying we should refuse to deal with China due to humanitarian reasons. So what happened, who or what got to him? Either a Gu'aould or the heady effect of power and wealth would be my guess. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
PIK Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Harper would bever make the deal the liberals are about to. When dealing with china, they will always come out on top and they know with such a weak team they are dealing with, it is going to happen again. Harper was about Canada, trudeau is all about himself. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
msj Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 I think Harper could have made unicorns fly out of his ass while Trudeau can only blow surrender bubbles! China would want to extradite the former while reveling in the latter. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Smallc Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Harper signed FIPA with China. Quote
Argus Posted September 22, 2016 Author Report Posted September 22, 2016 If someone was extradited and killed or tortured, a charter challenge would be launched and that would be that. Prove there was torture. Prove it wasn't a heart attack - natural causes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Harper would bever make the deal the liberals are about to. When dealing with china, they will always come out on top and they know with such a weak team they are dealing with, it is going to happen again. Harper was about Canada, trudeau is all about himself. Harper was about to blast a channel through a 1000 fish bearing Canadian watersheds for the benefit of China. It won't surprise me a bit if Trudeau attempts to as well. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Smallc Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Prove there was torture. Prove it wasn't a heart attack - natural causes. Prove that those aren't all hypotheticals. Quote
overthere Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Do you not think there is a large team at Global Affairs Canada to support the trade deals? No. Any team led by Dion or McKenna is severely handicapped before they begin. And they have begun. And of course Trudeau is not around enough to provide direction, beyond the relentless search for new slogans. Did you see the laughable piece with Dion pumping Trudeaus tires? This handjob is what passes for a day at the offcie now in Ottawa. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/justin-trudeau-is-now-the-most-prominent-and-popular-politician-on-the-planet-dion-says Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
overthere Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 If someone was extradited and killed or tortured, a charter challenge would be launched and that would be that. If? What are you talking about? There is no question whatsoever that China executes prisoners. The number has dropped to an estimated 2,500 or so in recent years, a number no doubt influenced by potential victims running for their lives to places like....Canada. The tradition is for their families to pay for the ammunition required, posthumously. Why do you think they want them returned? For a stern talking to? So your angle is to let a bunch get extradited and killed, or torutured in their system of kangaroo courts , then launch a court battle here? WTF is wrong with this country lately? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
capricorn Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Did you see the laughable piece with Dion pumping Trudeaus tires? This handjob is what passes for a day at the offcie now in Ottawa. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/justin-trudeau-is-now-the-most-prominent-and-popular-politician-on-the-planet-dion-says :lol: Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Argus Posted September 22, 2016 Author Report Posted September 22, 2016 Prove that those aren't all hypotheticals. Because China does not have a VERY well known history of lying, and isn't universally condemned for torture and extra-judicial killings, right? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 http://www.theglobeandmail.com//report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/snc-lavalin-strikes-deal-to-build-nuclear-reactors-in-china/article32000350/?cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe SNC-Lavalin Group Inc. is closing in on its goal of becoming a major player in China’s thriving nuclear-energy industry with an agreement for the development in that country of the next generation of Candu reactors. The Montreal-based global engineering giant said on Thursday it has an agreement in principle for a joint venture with state-owned atomic-power and weapons company China National Nuclear Corp. and manufacturing conglomerate Shanghai Electric Group Co. Ltd. to design, market and build the Advanced Fuel Candu Reactor (AFCR). Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Smallc Posted September 23, 2016 Report Posted September 23, 2016 If? What are you talking about? There is no question whatsoever that China executes prisoners. The number has dropped to an estimated 2,500 or so in recent years, a number no doubt influenced by potential victims running for their lives to places like....Canada. The tradition is for their families to pay for the ammunition required, posthumously. Why do you think they want them returned? For a stern talking to? So your angle is to let a bunch get extradited and killed, or torutured in their system of kangaroo courts , then launch a court battle here? WTF is wrong with this country lately? What are you talking about? We extradite to the US, but not when the death penalty of true life sentences are on the table. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted September 23, 2016 Report Posted September 23, 2016 What are you talking about? We extradite to the US, but not when the death penalty of true life sentences are on the table. USA has due process...Red China has tank treads and execution vans. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 23, 2016 Report Posted September 23, 2016 We extradite to the US, but not when the death penalty of true life sentences are on the table. I think it was/is more complicated than that. The original CanAm extradition treaty was ratified in 1976, when Canada still technically had capital punishment. Subsequent changes and protocol have allowed extraditions for capital offenses/punishment if "assurances" of no death penalty or delayed executions are brokered on a case-by-case basis. Governments have usually emphasized extradition "cooperation", leaving human rights provisions and barriers to extradition to be adjudicated by the courts. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Machjo Posted September 23, 2016 Report Posted September 23, 2016 With China, you need to think outside the box. Here's one thing I could propose in some form or other. A Chinese can obtain a ten-year work and business visa by simply passing a test, and of course China must reciprocate for Canadian citizens. The catch? It would be a test on a general knowledge of the writings of the major world religions. This would totally undermine China's anti-religious propaganda campaign. Canada could play hardball on this: no test, no visa, no visa, you don't enter Canada. Maybe we can make an exception for those under fifteen, compassionate exemptions and refugee claimants, but that's it. A trade war could hurt Canada, but China too. Should the US and EU join in, China would really feel the pressure. We could present a similar deal to Iran, again playing hardball with it. In Iran's case, it would severely undermine decades of anti-Baha'i propaganda. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
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