waldo Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 I don't know much about the dude in the car, but the guy in the red shirt (Sterling) deserved what he got. why? Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 Why? Because men haven't created a movement about that. Nobody else is going to do it for them. Doesn't mean it isn't needed, but they haven't bothered doing it. Why? Because there are no men's rights groups at all... Not like they are slandered by the media or excluded by organizations like pride toronto or anything... Quote
Big Guy Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 Without the increasing number of people with the ability to take video, we would not have any "controversy". One dead guy would be reported as pointing a gun at police and the other for reaching for a weapon that was later found in the car. The lack of police cameras in both these cases is suspicious. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 The male-female sentencing gap is 6 times larger than the black-white sentencing gap. Because females do not commit as many crimes as males, and generally those they do commit are less violent. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 If police were killing white people for broken taillights ... we'd be hearing about it. He wasn't gunned down for a broken taillight. He was gunned down because he told the cop he had a gun and made a move the cop thought looked like he was reaching for the gun. If police were killing white people who made 'a sudden move' to get their ID as the cop requested ... We'd be hearing about it. Police gun down white people all the time, more than they do Black people. We don't generally hear about it. Just as a group of black men murdering a white man, or raping a white woman don't make the national news the way a group of white men killing a black man or allegedly raping a black woman do. "Overreacting" because people are "Black" is the problem. There's no evidence they overreact to blacks more than whites. They simply have a lot more interaction with blacks than whites because blacks commit a lot more crime than whites. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 ?? See Argus' post. . Did you hear or see anything about the death of Dylan Noble on June 25th? Nope. There were no protests, no politicians making speeches. He was an unarmed white man shot down by police in California because... well, we're not really sure. Apparently he made a threatening move towards his waistband... http://www.dailywire.com/news/7274/cops-shoot-white-guy-fresno-nobody-pays-attention-hank-berrien Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 I don't know much about the dude in the car, but the guy in the red shirt (Sterling) deserved what he got. I don't know that that's true, but you can make a much better case that we don't know for that one. We do know he refused police instructions, which was why they were wrestling around on the ground there. When you've got three armed men cursing and struggling on the floor anything can happen. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hal 9000 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 I don't know that that's true, but you can make a much better case that we don't know for that one. We do know he refused police instructions, which was why they were wrestling around on the ground there. When you've got three armed men cursing and struggling on the floor anything can happen. He did have a gun that he was seen brandishing. And the second video shows him flipping the cop off of him, and word is that he went for his his gun - a gun that the one cop pulls out of his right pocket. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 I know what I don't know, what's your problem (and the "countless people") ? The NRA has never hesitated during shootings to defend gun ownership and to restate its position that people would be safer if everyone was armed. Their silence speaks volumes in this case. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 The male-female sentencing gap is 6 times larger than the black-white sentencing gap. Yet we don't see a #malelivesmatter movement or the SJWs discuss this gap and how it relates to the shootings of black men. Why? Because it doesn't agree with the SJW oppression hierarchy narrative. Bring it up then. Make a thread about it. Instead, you piggyback on other important issues, denouncing them because nobody is paying attention to your issue. You're creating a false dichotomy. Both can be problems but you continue to ignore this one because people aren't paying attention to you. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 Police gun down white people all the time, more than they do Black people. Once again, unarmed black people are at a far greater risk of being murdered by cops than white people. When you ignore the proportions, you do your arguments a disservice. I know you understand that context so I can only conclude that you're being intentionally misleading. Quote
kimmy Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 I think the racial angle in these incidents is being exaggerated and making people miss the larger issue-- which is that cops are dicks to everybody. The issue isn't that cops are racists, it's that they're a bunch of assholes. That issue might be amplified in situations where police are interacting with black people, but ultimately the problem is the same. Enthusiasm for excessive force, lack of accountability, a culture that values protecting their buddies above the rules. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
cybercoma Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 I think the racial angle in these incidents is being exaggerated and making people miss the larger issue-- which is that cops are dicks to everybody. The issue isn't that cops are racists, it's that they're a bunch of assholes. That issue might be amplified in situations where police are interacting with black people, but ultimately the problem is the same. Enthusiasm for excessive force, lack of accountability, a culture that values protecting their buddies above the rules. -k A lot of cops are assholes to everybody and for all intents and purposes it's considerably worse for black people. The numbers are in the article that I posted before. When death by cop is the least justified, it's far more likely to be a black person who was killed. The rates of encounters with police are far higher. The prosecution and incarceration rates are far higher, even when controlling for all other factors. When black people commit the same crimes as white people they're treated much more harshly by the system. These are the facts. Quote
Bryan Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 Black people are more heavily policed than whites so they're more likely to be arrested than a white person who commits a crime. Yes, people who commit more crimes are more likely to have the police watching them. After the arrest they're also more likely to be prosecuted and when prosecuted they're more likely to be incarcerated. Yes, people who commit more crimes are more likely to get charged with them. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 Yes, people who commit more crimes are more likely to have the police watching them. Yes, people who commit more crimes are more likely to get charged with them. I know this is hard for you to understand but not everyone who commits crime is arrested, not everyone who's arrested is prosecuted, not everyone who is prosecuted gets incarcerated. For the same crimes, black people are treated much more strictly by the system. Address that. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 Hell, go to YouTube and look up "resisting arrest" videos. You can see all kinds of white people mouthing off and assaulting officers without being murdered. Quote
Bryan Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 not everyone who commits crime is arrested, not everyone who's arrested is prosecuted, not everyone who is prosecuted gets incarcerated. Yes. For all the crimes they are held accountable for, even more get away with it. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 Yes. For all the crimes they are held accountable for, even more get away with it. No. That's not what the evidence shows. It shows black people are held more accountable than white people. The laws are applied inconsistently across racial lines. Keep burying your head deeper in the sand though. The longer people like you ignore the discontent, the more violent the reaction gets. Quote
Bryan Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 black people are held more accountable than white people. People more likely to commit crimes are held more accountable than people less likely to commit crimes. OK. Thanks for clarifying. Quote
?Impact Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 Read back the words you quoted, namely: "But regardless of the outcome of such investigations, what’s clear is that these fatal shootings are not isolated incidents. They are symptomatic of the broader challenges within our criminal justice system, the racial disparities that appear across the system year after year, and the resulting lack of trust that exists between law enforcement and too many of the communities they serve." If the shootings are not isolated, the necessary inference is they are connected because all police are racists. No, go back and re-read the full statement carefully. You are linking dots that are not there. Quote
The_Squid Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 If this was a white dude, he wouldn't have been shot. They can carry guns legally... 2nd amendment ain't for them black folks... Quote
Bryan Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 If this was a white dude, he wouldn't have been shot. White dudes DO get shot. More often than black ones. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/ Quote
BC_chick Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 If this was a white dude, he wouldn't have been shot. They can carry guns legally... 2nd amendment ain't for them black folks... I agree. the cops have a much higher trigger pulling ratio for a black person with a gun and whatever the 'reason' is (ie black on black crime) the end result is a prejudiced bias killing black people. 'It's their own fault' argument does not negate that fact. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Wilber Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 If this was a white dude, he wouldn't have been shot. They can carry guns legally... 2nd amendment ain't for them black folks... That's quite an assumption. You saying no white people are ever killed by the police? I think it should be obvious that carrying a gun increases the risk of being shot by the police no matter what your colour. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Posted July 9, 2016 White dudes DO get shot. More often than black ones. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/ Good post....but that cold hard fact is ignored in this debate. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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