Boges Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rambling-reporter/rose-mcgowan-calls-x-men-898538 As 20th Century Fox’s X-Men: Apocalypse stormed theaters over the long weekend, critics took aim at billboards featuring Oscar Isaac’s Apocalypse choking Jennifer Lawrence’s Mystique. Among them was Rose McGowan, who elaborated on a May 25 Facebook post to THR: "There is a major problem when the men and women at 20th Century Fox think casual violence against women is the way to market a film. There is no context in the ad, just a woman getting strangled. The fact that no one flagged this is offensive and frankly, stupid. The geniuses behind this, and I use that term lightly, need to to take a long hard look at the mirror and see how they are contributing to society. Imagine if it were a black man being strangled by a white man, or a gay male being strangled by a hetero? The outcry would be enormous. So let’s right this wrong. 20th Century Fox, since you can’t manage to put any women directors on your slate for the next two years, how about you at least replace your ad?" She continued: "I’ll close with a text my friend sent, a conversation with his daughter. It follows: ‘My daughter and I were just having a deep discussion on the brutality of that hideous X-Men poster yesterday. Her words: 'Dad, why is that monster man committing violence against a woman?' This from a 9-year-old. If she can see it, why can’t Fox?" THR reached out to Fox and producer Lauren Shuler Donner, who didn’t respond as of press time. The image has met with criticism on the left coast as well. New York blogger EV Grieve posted a photo of the poster above a subway station in the city at First Avenue and 14th Street that had been covered with eight pieces of paper that connected to say, "This violence in my kid's face is not okay." I guess it does promote violence, but that's sort of the point of the movie. The person perpetrating the violence is clearly the bad guy that needs to be defeated by the X-Men. Are we reaching a point with trigger warnings and safe spaces that fictitious fights between Good and Evil are unacceptable if the Evil actually does anything . . . Evil? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 Is that Jian Ghomeshi in that costume ? Maybe that helps to sell more tickets ? This one sure did: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/16/article-2234063-160F8676000005DC-521_964x1440.jpg Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) I get your point that it's the good guy bad guy movie marketing, but having a giant image of a woman being choked by some dude on a billboard is perhaps a tad insensitive to survivors of domestic violence that may have to witness that and relive their experiences. It's just thoughtless on the part of the marketing team. Edited June 2, 2016 by Charles Anthony excessive quoting; deleted [Opening Post] Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
-1=e^ipi Posted June 2, 2016 Report Posted June 2, 2016 I get your point that it's the good guy bad guy movie marketing, but having a giant image of a woman being choked by some dude on a billboard is perhaps a tad insensitive to survivors of domestic violence that may have to witness that and relive their experiences. It's just thoughtless on the part of the marketing team. But women choking men is empowering! Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 It's a superhero film. Heroes and villains fight. Go read some X-Men comics, you'll see tons of men beating the crap out of women and vice versa. One Marvel example off the top of my head. That said, in this age, probably not a wise marketing tactic. On the other hand, lighten up. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Hal 9000 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 I get your point that it's the good guy bad guy movie marketing, but having a giant image of a woman being choked by some dude on a billboard is perhaps a tad insensitive to survivors of domestic violence that may have to witness that and relive their experiences. It's just thoughtless on the part of the marketing team. So yeah, we are reaching a point with trigger warnings and safe spaces that fictitious fights between Good and Evil are unacceptable if the Evil actually does anything . . . Evil? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
eyeball Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 We're just evolving and adapting to new social mores is all. I bet the first guys who stopped dragging their women around by their hair had to put up with a lot of eye-rolling and 'what's the world coming to now' comments too. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 Isn't that a lizard being choked by a gorilla? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 We're just evolving and adapting to new social mores is all. I bet the first guys who stopped dragging their women around by their hair had to put up with a lot of eye-rolling and 'what's the world coming to now' comments too. Exactly, and look where it has led us! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 Isn't it presumptuous to assert that the characters' sex or gender is male, female, or something else? Does the Marvel universe define such things explicitly ? Why would it be more acceptable to choke another "male" ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 Exactly, and look where it has led us! Why would it be more acceptable to choke another "male" ? See what I mean? That's progress. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
BC_chick Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) But women choking men is empowering! When spousal homocide is anywhere near 50/50 you can talk. Right now it's ridiculously distorted with men killing their wives than vice versa. Read the news any other day. Edited June 3, 2016 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
TimG Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) So yeah, we are reaching a point with trigger warnings and safe spaces that fictitious fights between Good and Evil are unacceptable if the Evil actually does anything . . . Evil? I do think there is a difference between a scene in a movie with all of context and a static image on a poster which requires that one have a-priori knowledge of the characters. Without that context it looks like a large man choking a woman. I normally don't go for this PC nonsense but I can see the point here. Edited June 3, 2016 by TimG Quote
Smoke Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 But maybe the individual on the right "identifies" as a woman and the individual on the left "identifies" as a man. Maybe they are "transgenders" and it's actually a woman choking a man. Who are we to judge their "gender" simply by looking at a mere poster. Oh yeah...it's a movie too...there's that! Quote
cybercoma Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 But women choking men is empowering! Literally no one said that. The issues aren't mutually exclusive as you constantly try to make them. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
cybercoma Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 So yeah, we are reaching a point with trigger warnings and safe spaces that fictitious fights between Good and Evil are unacceptable if the Evil actually does anything . . . Evil? We're talking about a public billboard that could have been literally anything to do with the X-Men and the marketing team chose to show Apocalypse choking the s*** out of Mystique. They didn't consider the implications and some people are rightfully upset about it. It's not a huge drama or whatever you want to make it out to be. It was just an oversight by the marketing team that should have never happened. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
Hal 9000 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) I do think there is a difference between a scene in a movie with all of context and a static image on a poster which requires that one have a-priori knowledge of the characters. Without that context it looks like a large man choking a woman. I normally don't go for this PC nonsense but I can see the point here. I agree it's not a wise ad, but I do believe that if people have issue with it, they should protest with their pocket book instead of making big deal and going to the movie anyway. Maybe, what they want is to show this and show the odds that Mystique (representing the woman) is up against and how men are evil - but a strong woman can overcome anything. By looking at this poster, I know he is a bad guy and that she will prevail over him. I don't see it as promoting violence against women, I see it as an anti-men promotion. The proof will be shown in the movie. Edited June 3, 2016 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
msj Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) It is a movie promotion. Anything else would require seeing the movie or knowing the comics to come to any kind of informed conclusion. Instead, people speculate endlessly about how a billboard will be perceived by other people who think differently than they/we/I do so we get a BS thread about pure utter crap. Edited June 3, 2016 by msj Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
dre Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 It was just an oversight by the marketing team that should have never happened. Well... they are a marketing team. Whether or not it should have happened depends on if the ads were effective or not. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Boges Posted June 3, 2016 Author Report Posted June 3, 2016 I think anyone who would be offended by this poster probably wouldn't enjoy X-Men anyway. BTW Mystique isn't exactly a good guy/girl, she's part of team Magneto. Quote
GostHacked Posted June 3, 2016 Report Posted June 3, 2016 Isn't that a lizard being choked by a gorilla? The oppression against lizards by the gorillas has gone on TOO LONG !!!! Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
-1=e^ipi Posted June 4, 2016 Report Posted June 4, 2016 When spousal homocide is anywhere near 50/50 you can talk. Right now it's ridiculously distorted with men killing their wives than vice versa. Read the news any other day. Men are 3.5 times as likely to be victims of homicide. But our society is so gynocentric that somehow that doesn't matter, because in 1 category of homicide females are killed at a higher rate. Literally no one said that. The issues aren't mutually exclusive as you constantly try to make them. Society has been implying it for decades. Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted June 4, 2016 Report Posted June 4, 2016 They didn't consider the implications and some people are rightfully upset about it. And these same people wouldn't be upset over women choking men. That's equality works in our society. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted June 4, 2016 Report Posted June 4, 2016 It's time to stand up for lizard rights! Blue lizards are lizards too! Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
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