Our new Syrian refugee immigrants.

[G Huxley]

"How much are those numbers related to immigration, and how much to Canadian Muslim families raising children here?"

It's obviously a combination of both, unless you consider the possibility that they rose autochthonously out of the ground.

This thread is about immigration, but its obviously about religion as well. There are immigrants from numerous countries, but Islam's population in Canada is doubling every decade or so. You'd have to do some incredible mental gymnastics to consider that a coincidence especially when in the Abrahamic holy texts it commands the holy to be fruitful and multiply and allows multiple wives.

Edited June 7, 2016 by G Huxley

[Icebound]

"

Statistically I'm not concerned at all about being killed by a Muslim in Canada. I'm concerned about the idiotic crusades the west is stuck in the Middle East and the fact that the west is being overrun by Muslims with high family sizes.

If it is being over-run that you are concerned about, then you should probably be looking more toward China, not so much the Muslim middle-east.

And yes, their fertility rate is 50% higher, but as I have said before.... fertility is always high in poor populations, and especially poor and religious. Even Canadians fertility was higher a hundred years ago. After a generation or two in the West, you will see the fertility drop like the rest of us.

[G Huxley]

"If it is being over-run that you are concerned about, then you should probably be looking more toward China, not so much the Muslim middle-east."

You must have missed my recent anti-China posts, of which there have been many lately. Here's one of them:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/25718-human-harvest-chinas-illegal-organ-trade/

We're being overrun in multiple directions. The Canadian government has been selling off Canada to anyone who will bring them a few bucks.

"And yes, their fertility rate is 50% higher, but as I have said before.... fertility is always high in poor populations, and especially poor and religious."

Am I supposed to shed a tear or something at this point? Ressentiment is only making the situation much worse. And if they become 'unpoor?' They will use even more resources. Humans are the problem.

"Even Canadians fertility was higher a hundred years ago. After a generation or two in the West, you will see the fertility drop like the rest of us."

As I already showed after a generation or two Islam will be the dominant religion in Canada at the current rate. That would be insane to allow that.

Also why are we in the business of shipping people here to convert them to our culture? Why not let them stay in their own country and keep their own culture?

Edited June 8, 2016 by G Huxley

[eyeball]

A better question to ask would be why not let them live according to their own country's economy?

This was clearly asked when the planet became dominated by a global economy, usually against the wishes of most people, cultures and economies around it. It's a little unconscionable that people who now wish to go global as well should be prevented from doing so. Basing that prevention on a case for protecting the environment is especially ironic given how protecting the environment was often a common even universal basis for opposing globalization.

[G Huxley]

Globalization is terrible.

[Argus]

Well, guess what, our new Syrian refugees are winding up at food banks and are destined for welfare. Hardly a surprise to me. And since they have little education, no job skills or language, are unlikely to ever be actual taxpayers.

The answer depends on employability. And the early signs aren’t very good. “Basically I can’t refer them to any employer because they don’t have basic communication skills,” one settlement worker told the Huffington Post. Also, few Syrian refugees are highly educated. (One survey of refugees in Hamilton found that two-thirds of those aged 15 and older had a high-school education or less.) And in some parts of Canada, especially Alberta, the job market is terrible.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/syrian-refugees-the-romance-and-the-reality/article32172319/

[Machjo]

In a sense, they should learn from the English, the French, and the Chinese in Canada. Each community tends to live within its own community where it can function unless it's learnt the other's language. In that sense, had all the refugees been brought to one town, they could then develp their own economy. Maybe even transform that town into a free zone similar to Hong Kong, a tariff-free free-trade and low-tax zone.

[Smallc]

Some Syrian refugees are dependent on food bank. You take opinion columns as if they're facts.

[Argus]

Some Syrian refugees are dependent on food bank. You take opinion columns as if they're facts.

She is quoting the people involved, who also say they're unemployable and have little education.

Is the rise in expected refugee acceptance an opinion too? Up to 50,000 now?

[Smallc]

She is quoting the people involved, who also say they're unemployable and have little education.

Is the rise in expected refugee acceptance an opinion too? Up to 50,000 now?

Are all 50K on welfare? Are most of them? Are all of them unemployable? None of the column says anything about that.

It's simply an agenda driven selective analysis.

[cybercoma]

Pretty hard to go to work as a doctor or engineer when your university has been levelled and it's impossible to get records. I mean, don't go thinking about the situation too hard. You might hurt yourself tripping over some logic.

[DogOnPorch]

Pretty hard to go to work as a doctor or engineer when your university has been levelled and it's impossible to get records. I mean, don't go thinking about the situation too hard. You might hurt yourself tripping over some logic.

Let 'em operate and prescribe drugs.

[Argus]

Let 'em operate and prescribe drugs.

But only for progressives.

[cybercoma]

You know Syria isn't a third world country, right? They actually have educated doctors and engineers. People with degrees from recognized universities but it's impossible to get records from your school when it's been levelled. I know it's tough for someone who thinks everybody in the Middle East is an illiterate goat herder to understand that there's actually educated people there. But maybe take the bigoted blinders off for half a second and understand the context of those employment numbers you put up.

[TimG]

You know Syria isn't a third world country, right? They actually have educated doctors and engineers.

Except there are not many and those that existed were not allowed to be selected as refugees by Turkey:

http://www.politico.eu/article/turkey-prevent-well-educated-syrian-refugees-from-leaving-migration/

A report last week said more than 1,000 Syrians slated to travel to the United States and other countries have been prevented from doing so because they have university degrees.

It is highly unlikely that a significant number of the Trudeau refugees have any useful skills that will help them in Canada. Edited October 3, 2016 by TimG

[cybercoma]

And they don't need useful skills. They're refugees, not economic immigrants.

[TimG]

And they don't need useful skills. They're refugees, not economic immigrants.

Our economy has few jobs for unskilled people that don't speak english or french. It makes no sense to bring in masses of people who have no reasonable prospect of supporting themselves.

[The_Squid]

Our economy has few jobs for unskilled people that don't speak english or french. It makes no sense to bring in masses of people who have no reasonable prospect of supporting themselves.

Let them die in a war zone?

[bush_cheney2004]

Polled Canadians are now less tolerant of immigrant diversity and multiculturalism compared to polled Americans. Canadians are losing patience with their own political rhetoric and policies:

As a divisive election tears Americans apart over questions of race and immigration, a CBC News poll suggests Canadians are right in believing they think very differently than their U.S. neighbours when it comes to multiculturalism.

In fact, we're more likely to think minorities should assimilate.

In a national polling partnership between CBC and the Angus Reid Institute, 68 per cent of Canadian respondents said minorities should be doing more to fit in with mainstream society instead of keeping their own customs and languages.

The same question was put to Americans, with only 53 per cent of respondents saying minorities need to better adjust.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/poll-canadians-multiculturalism-immigrants-1.3784194

[Smoke]

People with degrees from recognized universities but it's impossible to get records from your school when it's been levelled.

So their degrees are all kept at the school? Nobody has one hanging in their office?

[dialamah]

So their degrees are all kept at the school? Nobody has one hanging in their office?

If they did, perhaps it fell off the wall in the bombing, and they couldn't find it in the rubble. It may not have seemed the most important thing at the moment.

[TimG]

Let them die in a war zone?

A few thousand refugees plucked from relatively safe camps is not going make a huge difference to the 65 million displaced persons around the world. Bringing people here to become permanent wards of the state simply takes resources away from Canadians who are already struggling. For example, the natives have a long list of spending requests that would make lives on reserves more tolerable. Spending close to billion bringing in 25000 new lifetime welfare cases was a billion that could have been spent dealing with issues on native reserves. If we are going to spend money on such things natives should get the money first. Edited October 3, 2016 by TimG

[Argus]

Polled Canadians are now less tolerant of immigrant diversity and multiculturalism compared to polled Americans. Canadians are losing patience with their own political rhetoric and policies:

Might have something to do with Canada's elites blithely ignoring the problem of cultural disharmony produced by importing hundreds of thousands of people every year whose values and cultures are so different than ours. The US has a government which is more responsive to such things.

If you look at Europe, for example, the rise of hate groups in the UK has been much less than in countries with arrogant left wing governments which refuse to admit there's any problem. Just read this poll this morning, showing the rapid gains being made by France's National Front. When mainstream political parties ignore the rising anger of people it will find an outlet somewhere else.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/717073/National-Front-party-Marine-Le-Pen-poll-France-anti-migration

[Smallc]

Obviously that's not an analogous situation, as that isn't happening here.

The survey questions are vague and leading. Most Canadians would agree that immigrants should learn to speak one of our official languages. By putting language into the question with culture, you lead the result.

[Argus]

Obviously that's not an analogous situation, as that isn't happening here.

The survey questions are vague and leading. Most Canadians would agree that immigrants should learn to speak one of our official languages. By putting language into the question with culture, you lead the result.

Canadians, except for the central Canada elites like Trudeau, have always believed immigrants should assimilate and become like the rest of us, rather than clinging to their old world ways. That's particularly so given so many of those ways are primitive, if not actually medieval.

And 'that isn't happening here' YET. Although I have long predicted that if the Liberals have their way and change our style of electing MPs one of the first new parties elected to parliament will be an anti-immigrant party.