America under President Trump

Boges · July 22, 2020

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Ten times the number of people who think they have covid, have covid.It's no contention, it's the conclusion of multiple studies.

I mentioned this little factoid over a month ago right here. But, Zing...

So wait now who is sick... the virus is like fractal math. The closer you look, the more it's there.

ETA: Sick is an illness. Having, carrying a virus is completely normal. We all have and carry, and transmit, viruses that cause little to no harm. Sick is being ill.

But enough people are "sick" to the point that hospitalization is an issue in pockets of the US.

WestCanMan · July 22, 2020

3 hours ago, Boges said:

I won't deny that the MSM have it out for Trump. Lots of people do.

They've completely shot all their credibility, and that's just bad for the US and democracy in general.

In the age of internet misinformation it would be nice if the mainstream media was a touchstone where you could trust what's there and also trust that what's not there isn't that important, but that's not the case at all. The MSM is no longer a reference point. They're just the biggest monkey in a shit-flinging competition.

Boges · July 22, 2020

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

They've completely shot all their credibility, and that's just bad for the US and democracy in general.

In the age of internet misinformation it would be nice if the mainstream media was a touchstone where you could trust what's there and also trust that what's not there isn't that important, but that's not the case at all. The MSM is no longer a reference point. They're just the biggest monkey in a shit-flinging competition.

I'll repeat, A lot of the coverage is just analysis of what Trump says in his own words. That's not dishonesty.

For example he most certainly wished an accused sex trafficker well yesterday. No political spin required.

Edited July 22, 2020 by Boges

eyeball · July 22, 2020

On 7/20/2020 at 7:59 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Many people have heard this 1,000 times...STILL DON'T CARE...and you can't make them care.

Left-wing, right wing, BLM, take your pick. Stop expecting all people to think and behave like you want them to.

Ain't going to happen....regardless of President Trump.

Sure it can you just don't want it to is all. You've always had a funny bone for chaos.

WestCanMan · July 22, 2020

1 minute ago, Boges said:

I'll repeat, A lot of the coverage is just analysis of what Trump says in his own words. That's not dishonesty.

Bullshit.

The collusion investigation was a fraud and they knew it. Van Jones admitted as much over a year before the investigation ended. CNN still talks like it is just something that was never proven, and not something disproven.

The Kavanaugh trial was a total farce and CNN's phony benchmark for declaring an alleged rapist GUIlTY!!!!!!went from "all women need to be believed" to "bitches need to stfu" as soon as Biden was accused.

The 'protests' weren't 'peaceful'. 20 people were killed and over a billion dollars in property was burned and destroyed. Hundreds of officers were injured. Then the BLM police killed a child, destroyed the evidence, and CNN, BLM, and you don't even know or care what his name was or who killed him.

You don't think the MSM is spinning Covid? Idiots here say Trudeau hit it out of the park, Trump screwed up, Cuomo was awesome, Pelosi has been right all along, etc. It's pure drivel. Trudeau did the exact opposite of what he should have done for 6 weeks and we all knew it. Cuomo basically euthanized tens of thousands of old folks by putting C19 people back in care homes. Pelosi encouraged large gatherings at the end of Feb. Trump was the only one in that lot who did anything right before March 16th, and when Trudeau finally got it right he was just copying Trump. Yet the MSM paints Trump as the C19 villain. It's total spin, and it's total BS.

The MSM is a long-running joke, 24/7.

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For example he most certainly wished an accused sex trafficker well yesterday. No political spin required.

Epstein wasn't arrested when Clinton was Prez. Ditto for Bush. Obama. Epstein was arrested when Trump was Prez.

Trump barred Epstein from Mar-a-lago in the '90s. Clinton was earning frequent flyer miles as fast as anyone when he was Prez.

CNN isn't just the biggest poop-flinging monkey now, or in the history of democracy, they're the biggest poop-flingers in the whole history of the planet, and I'm including the media in places like China, NoKo, the ME and Russia. Hell, I've come to respect the Chinese media. They are the only ones that called Trudeau out for saying "we can't intervene in Huaweii but we can for SNC" lol.

Boges · July 22, 2020

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Bullshit.

The collusion investigation was a fraud and they knew it. Van Jones admitted as much over a year before the investigation ended. CNN still talks like it is just something that was never proven, and not something disproven.

The Kavanaugh trial was a total farce and CNN's phony benchmark for declaring an alleged rapist GUIlTY!!!!!!went from "all women need to be believed" to "bitches need to stfu" as soon as Biden was accused.

The 'protests' weren't 'peaceful'. 20 people were killed and over a billion dollars in property was burned and destroyed. Hundreds of officers were injured. Then the BLM police killed a child, destroyed the evidence, and CNN, BLM, and you don't even know or care what his name was or who killed him.

The Russia investigation was started by Republicans in in the DOJ and the other three things aren't related to Trump.

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Trump barred Epstein from Mar-a-lago in the '90s. Clinton was earning frequent flyer miles as fast as anyone when he was Prez.

And yesterday he wished the lady that fed him women well.

bush_cheney2004 · July 22, 2020

53 minutes ago, Boges said:

I am not. You took it that way because you're being defensive.

No...the topic is Trump...you just want to keep talking about COVID/

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It's not. Should Canada be testing people at random?

Canada's testing is certainly comparable. AND people don't have to pay for tests. But the demand isn't overwhelming.

Tests are not free...not even in Canada. You are paying for them too.

bush_cheney2004 · July 22, 2020

32 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure it can you just don't want it to is all. You've always had a funny bone for chaos.

Chaos = Entropy...and it is not going to change for you either.

...but you are free to keep hoping it will.

eyeball · July 22, 2020

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Chaos = Entropy...and it is not going to change for you either.

...but you are free to keep hoping it will.

Hey you know me, I've been saying go Trump go for years because no one provides a better clearer reason for picking a different path. Of course things are still going to change here just in a slower less chaotic manner due to the example Trump and America is providing.

Yes yes I know...fisheries management makes everything just as right as rain.

Cannucklehead · July 22, 2020

20 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Tests are not free...not even in Canada. You are paying for them too.

But where are YOUR tax dollars going?

WestCanMan · July 22, 2020

4 hours ago, Boges said:

The Russia investigation was started by Republicans in in the DOJ and the other three things aren't related to Trump.

More utter bullshit.

The dossier was started a long time ago, that doesn't mean that Hillary didn't send it in her own direction. The GOP also never considered it worthy of submission to the FBI. That was just a stupid comment by you.

Of course those other things are related to Trump. It's beyond ridiculous for you to pretend that you don't see it, and to pretend that whether or not those things reside inside Trump's house can give the MSM a pass for blatantly lying about it all, on an ongoing basis.

CNN is operating on the principle of "tell a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth".

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And yesterday he wished the lady that fed him women well.

Maybe that's because anyone who publicly displays ill will towards her will be a suspect when she's eventually suicided?

Infidel Dog · July 22, 2020

10 hours ago, Boges said:

If this didn't matter to anyone then Trump wouldn't have done a 180 on masks (at least in public) and conceded things "will get worse before getting better".

The rush to re-open has been stopped in several states. If the positivity rate wasn't a concern because the death rate is lower, there would be no consideration of that.

Perhaps if any of that wasn't twisted away from a consideration of the totality of the facts or lacking context you might have a point but I prefer press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany's explanation. Starts at the 5:45 minute mark.

Edited July 22, 2020 by Infidel Dog

Boges · July 23, 2020

12 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Perhaps if any of that wasn't twisted away from a consideration of the totality of the facts or lacking context you might have a point but I prefer press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany's explanation. Starts at the 5:45 minute mark.

She's, of course, lying. He was taped that evening not wearing a mask in a crowd of people.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/508300-trump-seen-at-dc-fundraiser-without-mask-just-hours-after-saying-its

Infidel Dog · July 24, 2020

What is it about Trump telling people it's matter of choice to wear a mask that informs you she's lying when he decides to wear a mask or not wear one? He says people need to put a priority on social distancing for now then wear a mask if you can. Kayleigh says he's the most tested man in American but sometimes it necessary to be a good example because the most recent science says wearing a mask can be helpful in containing what he calls the China virus. So there are occasions where he will wear one as an example or if the rules of the venue request it. He doesn't have to though.

Edited July 24, 2020 by Infidel Dog

Infidel Dog · July 24, 2020

Oh, and when Kayleigh was specifically asked if the President would wear a mask more frequently she said, and I quote: "I'll leave that up to the President."

So if you're calling somebody a liar this lie should happen someplace other than just in your Imagination.

I'm guessing you didn't actually listen to what she actually said but instead read some fake news at The Hill.

The Hill says Trump is required to always wear a mask or he's lying because of a Tweet he made.

Below you'll see the actual Tweet from Trump. The Hill is lying or perhaps English is their second language or something, because Trump never made any kind of pledge to always wear a mask. He wore a mask either as an example of wearing a mask when you can't social distance or because it was required by the venue. Later he jokingly boasted about how doing so at that event made him patriotic. Again your Gotcha's gone Bud. Would like to avoid more vanishing 'Gotchas;? Just remember: context is your friend.

Edited July 24, 2020 by Infidel Dog

Boges · July 24, 2020

8 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

What is it about Trump telling people it's matter of choice to wear a mask that informs you she's lying when he decides to wear a mask or not wear one? He says people need to put a priority on social distancing for now then wear a mask if you can. Kayleigh says he's the most tested man in American but sometimes it necessary to be a good example because the most recent science says wearing a mask can be helpful in containing what he calls the China virus. So there are occasions where he will wear one as an example or if the rules of the venue request it. He doesn't have to though.

He's been anything but a good example on this. Wearing a mask isn't a patriotic symbol. It's a demonstration of good public health, at this point.

And he's been dragged kicking and screaming into caring about COVID-19 again because of his pathetic polling numbers.

WestCanMan · July 24, 2020

1 hour ago, Boges said:

He's been anything but a good example on this. Wearing a mask isn't a patriotic symbol. It's a demonstration of good public health, at this point.

And he's been dragged kicking and screaming into caring about COVID-19 again because of his pathetic polling numbers.

Trump is wearing a mask because he wants to further the notion that it’s perfectly safe for people to be out and about with masks on 1) to put and end to the the mail-in ballot farce and 2) to help with re-opening the economy, which is another body blow to the Demmies.

It seems like I have been right all along about blocking travel and wearing masks. Trudeau and Dr. Tam were the enemy of Canadians who wanted to stop Covid.

Boges · July 24, 2020

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump is wearing a mask because he wants to further the notion that it’s perfectly safe for people to be out and about with masks on 1) to put and end to the the mail-in ballot farce and 2) to help with re-opening the economy, which is another body blow to the Demmies.

Now he is, because his polls are in the toilet and the economy can't really open if people are afraid that they're going to get a serious virus.

Up until this week he's enabled people who think wearing masks is a freedom issue and that the virus is actually under control. He says it constantly. Which is not true.

bush_cheney2004 · July 24, 2020

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Up until this week he's enabled people who think wearing masks is a freedom issue and that the virus is actually under control. He says it constantly. Which is not true.

Many Americans would/will still refuse to wear masks regardless of Trump.

You overestimate his impact.

Boges · July 24, 2020

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Many Americans would/will still refuse to wear masks regardless of Trump.

You overestimate his impact.

His poll numbers indicate his impact is largely negligible already. He's pretty late to this game.

bush_cheney2004 · July 24, 2020

1 minute ago, Boges said:

His poll numbers indicate his impact is largely negligible already. He's pretty late to this game.

That's what they said in 2016 too.

Boges · July 24, 2020

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

That's what they said in 2016 too.

Yep, but in 2016 he was at least winning in states like Texas, Georgia and Florida. He's struggling in states he took easily in 2016.

bush_cheney2004 · July 24, 2020

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Yep, but in 2016 he was at least winning in states like Texas, Georgia and Florida. He's struggling in states he took easily in 2016.

Oh yeah....they said Trump must win Florida in 2016 too....WRONG !

Boges · July 24, 2020

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Oh yeah....they said Trump must win Florida in 2016 too....WRONG !

Who said that?

I'm not going to re-litigate what happened in 2016. I give the Trump team full credit. They knew where they had to focus their attention to win. But the Dems aren't making the same mistake twice.

This election only really matters in like 5 states. But if Trump has to fight to keep Texas, Georgia and Florida. Those are a lot of fronts to fight the war on.

bush_cheney2004 · July 24, 2020

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Who said that?

CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CBC, WSJ, NYT, WaPo, etc.

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I'm not going to re-litigate what happened in 2016. I give the Trump team full credit. They knew where they had to focus their attention to win. But the Dems aren't making the same mistake twice.

This election only really matters in like 5 states. But if Trump has to fight to keep Texas, Georgia and Florida. Those are a lot of fronts to fight the war on.

If a Biden victory is such a sure thing, why are you debating the point at all ?

Why are the Democrats and Trump haters in Canada so nervous about an election they have already won ?