WestCanMan Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: I would content the worst "sinner" is Ron DeSantis. LMAO. Florida is care-home central. Florida has a massive population. DeSantis protected his elderly population while Cuomo was putting infected people into care homes. You're off your rocker Boges. Every time I think that you've maxed out on how wrong you could possibly be you throw another Hail Mary towards your own end zone. I'll give you credit though, your arm is good. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Boges Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: LMAO. Florida is care-home central. Florida has a massive population. DeSantis protected his elderly population while Cuomo was putting infected people into care homes. You're off your rocker Boges. Every time I think that you've maxed out on how wrong you could possibly be you throw another Hail Mary towards your own end zone. I'll give you credit though, your arm is good. So the 10,000 plus people that are testing positive in Florida are all from LTC homes? Not young people partying? Quote
eyeball Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Shady said: Yes, we know that it's a few times greater than the regular flu. n Thursday, after the World Health Organization held a two-day online meeting of 1,300 scientists from around the world, the agency’s chief scientist, Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, said the consensus for now was that the I.F.R. is about 0.6 percent — which means that the risk of death is less than 1 percent. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/coronavirus-death-rate.html 50 - 100 times greater is just a few you say? That would make it several times worse than what the WHO is saying. Edited July 7, 2020 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Boges Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The beginning stage of the virus's spread was the critical stage. The Dems let the cat out of the bag. They weren't ahead of Trump at any stage. He shut down the bulk of the US economy when there were less than 100 deaths. Your exercise in revisionist history isn't gonna fly here. Yes and the Curve was flatted. And in most Developed nations the rate has stayed low. Not so in the US. Rates are going up exponentially again. The only way to get control of the situation is another Shutdown. Edited July 7, 2020 by Boges Quote
Shady Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Boges said: Advice like Stay at home, wear a mask and stay 6 feet a part? Are GOP led states like Florida, Texas and Arizona not seeing a resurgence in COVID cases after quickly re-opening their economy? No they didn't. You're lying again, as usual. The recent spike in cases has come 6 - 8 weeks after they re-opened. Is there a new incubation period that we don't know about? LOL. If it was due to re-opening, you would've seen an increase in cases two to three weeks later, not 6 to 8. Hmm, but what went on nation wide? Hmmm, where tens of thousands of people stood on top of each other every day for weeks? Hmmm. Quote
eyeball Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, Boges said: Yes and the Curve was flatted. And in most Developed nations the rate has stayed low. Not so in the US. Rates are going up exponentially again. The only way to get control of the situation is another Shutdown. As I pointed out some time ago, Trump thinks the spike depicted on the old flatten-the-curve graphic is the target. His numbers have nowhere to go but up. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: Yes and the Curve was flatted. And in most Developed nations the rate has stayed low. Not so in the US. Rates are going up exponentially again. The only way to get control of the situation is another Shutdown. They're not going up exponentially. You need to learn the meaning of exponentially. Regardless, Florida and Texas have the same number deaths as Ontario. You may criticize them now for a while, but they never let it get out of hand like certain states. New York as 30,000+ deaths. Florida is at 3,000 with 10 million more people than New York has. Same with Texas. Quote
Boges Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Shady said: No they didn't. You're lying again, as usual. The recent spike in cases has come 6 - 8 weeks after they re-opened. Is there a new incubation period that we don't know about? LOL. If it was due to re-opening, you would've seen an increase in cases two to three weeks later, not 6 to 8. Hmm, but what went on nation wide? Hmmm, where tens of thousands of people stood on top of each other every day for weeks? Hmmm. So you're solely going to base it on Protests? Not young people ignoring Social Distancing recommendations. Even if it was the protests, it speaks to the idea that large public gatherings shouldn't be happening right now. You know, like trying to fit 20,000 people in a Political rally or 7,500 in a theatre at Mount Rushmore. It seems beaches and parks are probably places where people can socialize and not face a huge risk of the disease. Unlike bars, churches and indoor dining. Quote
Shady Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: 50 - 100 times greater is just a few you say? That would make it several times worse than what the WHO is saying. Math isn't your strong suit. Quote
Shady Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, Boges said: So you're solely going to base it on Protests? Not young people ignoring Social Distancing recommendations. Even if it was the protests, it speaks to the idea that large public gatherings shouldn't be happening right now. You know, like trying to fit 20,000 people in a Political rally or 7,500 in a theatre at Mount Rushmore. It seems beaches and parks are probably places where people can socialize and not face a huge risk of the disease. Unlike bars, churches and indoor dining. No, I've said before, protests, and people become complacent. Quote
eyeball Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Shady said: Math isn't your strong suit. Reading isn't your's - according to the researchers cited by National Geographic. Edited July 7, 2020 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Boges Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Shady said: They're not going up exponentially. You need to learn the meaning of exponentially. Regardless, Florida and Texas have the same number deaths as Ontario. You may criticize them now for a while, but they never let it get out of hand like certain states. New York as 30,000+ deaths. Florida is at 3,000 with 10 million more people than New York has. Same with Texas. Not the same, but comparable. The level of Hospitalization is going to drive deaths. And the more that get infected, the chances of people with risk factors will get the disease and have to go to the Hospital. And as Hospitals get overwhelmed, choices will have to be made about who lives and dies. And that doesn't speak to the level of sickness in a society. How will that effect the economy? Edited July 7, 2020 by Boges Quote
eyeball Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 Wouldn't it be easier for the Covideracy to simply and more honestly argue it's mostly killing old people and in any case the economy must come first above all else? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: Wouldn't it be easier for the Covideracy to simply and more honestly argue it's mostly killing old people and in any case the economy must come first above all else? What's generally been the case is for re-opening but practicing mitigation and distancing. Quote
Shady Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, Boges said: Not the same, but comparable. The level of Hospitalization is going to drive deaths. And the more that get infected, the chances of people with risk factors will get the disease and have to go to the Hospital. And as Hospitals get overwhelmed, choices will have to be made about who lives and dies. And that doesn't speak to the level of sickness in a society. How will that effect the economy? I agree. That's why I've always said that mitigation and distancing is necessary. The problem is that certain health professionals eroded their credibility by supporting protests after months of telling business owners they couldn't open their businesses practicing the same mitigation and distancing. They came off as completely political, and it seems some people have tuned them out. They should have been consistent and not bent their science based on the mob of rioters and protesters. Quote
Boges Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Shady said: I agree. That's why I've always said that mitigation and distancing is necessary. The problem is that certain health professionals eroded their credibility by supporting protests after months of telling business owners they couldn't open their businesses practicing the same mitigation and distancing. They came off as completely political, and it seems some people have tuned them out. They should have been consistent and not bent their science based on the mob of rioters and protesters. There is evidence that the Protests didn't really effect the rate. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/18/anti-racism-protests-coronavirus-rise-covid-19-cases But I know you'll disregard them. But just as authorities didn't stop people from Protesting the Lockdown, little could be done to stop participating in BLM. Edited July 7, 2020 by Boges Quote
eyeball Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shady said: What's generally been the case is for re-opening but practicing mitigation and distancing. The case has also been for ascribing dictatorial and authoritarian motives to lock downs, putting the economy ahead of everything else and using every single study excuse and opinion that downplays COVID-19's severity as a loophole for pushing this agenda. You've said vulnerable people should be protected but you've never outlined how and more importantly the underlying philosophy or principle that protection should be based on. Perhaps when you frame an answer you could make a distinction between whether that protection will be a comprehensive enduring compensation or a temporary stopgap bailout. Knowing that would probably make a real difference in your level of credibility. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Shady said: I agree. That's why I've always said that mitigation and distancing is necessary. The problem is that certain health professionals eroded their credibility by supporting protests after months of telling business owners they couldn't open their businesses practicing the same mitigation and distancing. They came off as completely political, and it seems some people have tuned them out. They should have been consistent and not bent their science based on the mob of rioters and protesters. Yes....it has gotten to the point that many Americans have very much tuned out and are ready to move on with reasonable mitigation measures. A poll in not so Trump friendly New York found that a large majority of parents want children to return to school in the fall, as the collateral damage from shutdowns continues to grow (employment, education, housing, religion, etc.). And you are absolutely correct....confirmed COVID-19 infections continue to rise in the U.S., but the number of deaths per day has clearly diminished . Some others won't let facts get in the way of their agenda. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: And you are absolutely correct....confirmed COVID-19 infections continue to rise in the U.S., but the number of deaths per day has clearly diminished . Some others won't let facts get in the way of their agenda. So then why have many states put the brakes on their re-opening if the disease doesn't kill as many people? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, Boges said: So then why have many states put the brakes on their re-opening if the disease doesn't kill as many people? Because "killing people" is not the only criteria for re-opening. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Because "killing people" is not the only criteria for re-opening. But that's the "silver lining" ya'll are putting on the quagmire the US is in right now. Not as many people are dying, so it's cool. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, Boges said: But that's the "silver lining" ya'll are putting on the quagmire the US is in right now. Not as many people are dying, so it's cool. So are many other nations, like...ummmm...Canada. Fewer deaths is a good thing, even if you disagree. President Trump has made his position and direction for reopening quite clear. Some governors are all in, while other are more cautious, and this crosses party lines. Shutdown damage numbers keep coming in, and the meter is still running. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: So are many other nations, like...ummmm...Canada. Fewer deaths is a good thing, even if you disagree. President Trump has made his position and direction for reopening quite clear. Some governors are all in, while other are more cautious, and this crosses party lines. Shutdown damage numbers keep coming in, and the meter is still running. And clearly opening too fast doesn't do the economy any favour. An increase of cases will lead to more death. Especially if it's uncontrollable. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, Boges said: And clearly opening too fast doesn't do the economy any favour. An increase of cases will lead to more death. Especially if it's uncontrollable. More deaths are unavoidable. Re-opening the economy is not. Close down your economy if you want, but you will still have people dying from COVID and related collateral impacts. Welcome to COVID-19....it is here to stay for a while. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 New York City polls higher for returning kids to school....not exactly Trump voters: Quote An overwhelming majority of New York City parents want to send their children back to the five boroughs' public schools in September, but a surprising number of families aren't so eager to get back to in-person learning, according to a survey Mayor Bill de Blasio discussed at his daily COVID briefing Thursday. The city's Department of Education surveyed more than 400,000 parents on back-to-school plans and needs; it found roughly 75 percent wanted to send their kids back to school in September, which leaves a full 25 percent still unsure. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/25-of-nyc-parents-unsure-of-sending-kids-back-to-school-in-fall-new-survey-finds/2496849/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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