bush_cheney2004 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 1 minute ago, taxme said: Indeed. I am pretty sure that there are many Canadians who may have something to lose when Trump becomes President. It appears as though the liberal elite establishment here in Canada appears to be concerned about a Trump presidency. Aw well. Yes....Canadian media did everything they could to depict candidate Trump as a grotesque bogeyman who never could/would win, but now they have to deal with Trump's term as U.S. president instead. It is Trump's America, but a Canadian nightmare of its own making. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, taxme said: Indeed. I am pretty sure that there are many Canadians who may have something to lose when Trump becomes President. It appears as though the liberal elite establishment here in Canada appears to be concerned about a Trump presidency. Aw well. Who in their right mind, would not be concerned about our major trading partner being taken over by a racist, misogynist, xenophobe? Unless your one of a kind. Quote
Omni Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes....Canadian media did everything they could to depict candidate Trump as a grotesque bogeyman who never could/would win, but now they have to deal with Trump's term as U.S. president instead. It is Trump's America, but a Canadian nightmare of its own making. Canadian media? Stop with your bullshit trolls and look at your own news sources. They are having a field day for now, but of course they will have to live with this jerk.Oh well, some of YOU voted for him. So suck it up buttercup. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 Many Canadians whipped themselves into a panicked lather even before the election, and now their previously existing cross border neurosis has been multiplied because of America's choice for President Elect Trump and the resulting President Trump's America. It was never about Canada (despite what the CBC regurgitated each day), but they have made it so in their minds. Trump's America is for Americans first....and second...and third.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 Trump's America will challenge the status quo, just as his voters intended...on many issues. Trump's America has nothing to do with foreign national wannabes who think they are part of the process and have a say in such matters. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump's America will challenge the status quo, just as his voters intended...on many issues. Trump's America has nothing to do with foreign national wannabes who think they are part of the process and have a say in such matters. Trumps voters took him at his word to replace their jobs. They are quickly realizing they got duped. You may have a pension so you can sit back and pontificate, and ignore those folks on the rust belt, just as it seems your boy has done after he fiddled their votes from them. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 Trump's America is only days away...and it will be for President Trump's American supporters and critics. There will be parties and protests for President Trump's America. There will be winners and losers in President Trump's America. ...and it will be America's President Trump.... and nobody else. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
betsy Posted January 18, 2017 Author Report Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, segnosaur said: Some of us have significant doubts whether you actually do understand. Perhaps if Lewis had done somethign worthy of criticism... kicked a puppy, stolen a baby's candy. But so far, all he's done is suggest that perhaps if a leader gets elected through the influence of an outside country, then that leader may not have a mandate. I don't exactly think that's a far-fetched attitude. And winning, by 1) benefiting from a fractured Republican primary, 2) benefitting from the influence of Russia and Comey, not to mention years of republican attacks on the Clintons, 3) by running an extremely nasty campaign, full of lies and contradictory promises that managed to fool enough people into voting for him. (It would be like a con man thinking he deserves respect because he bilked many people; most people would not consider that something to respect, regardless of how good he was at it.) And despite all that, Trump still lost the popular vote. Trump is like the Forest Gump of politics... not really competent, but manages to find success not through ability or intelligence, but by dumb luck. Its only worthy of respect that he's doing the job without pay if he's not receiving any side benefits that exceed what his compensation would have been. Since he claims the president is immune from having conflicts of interest, that is questionable. Well, I have no doubt that you do not understand. It's not for you to decide for us whether Trump is competent or not! That's laughable from where I stand! Especially coming from you..... Criticisms aren't only reserved for kicking puppies. Lewis is clearly trying to undermine the presidency of Trump by latching on something that's even dubious. Whether the Russians had spread fake news or not - which some MSMedia had done too, btw - at the end of the day, it's still the people who'd made the decision who to vote for! Ultimately, only a moron will swallow everything they read on social media without any cross-checking! Intel says the voting system (pertains to counting of votes) wasn't tampered with! Instead of trying to influencee election and playing partisanship, if MSMedia had done their job as they're supposed to do - like checking for facts - they wouldn't all have looked stupid when they saw that their polls were totally out of whack! If true, Russians simply added to the fake news propaganda that was being spread by the lying media! Too bad for the Pro-Hillary media! Too bad for Lewis. Russians are much better at it! Edited January 18, 2017 by betsy Quote
H10 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 8 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I am sure there are many circumstances that resulted in illegal/undocumented status...most voluntary and some involuntary. But those who followed the rules or are waiting to emigrate legally should not be bypassed by those who are illegally in the United States. One exception leads to more exceptions and preferences. Canadian illegal overstays lead the list according to Homeland Security. Deport all illegals and require them to apply for visas and residency according to law. Border security is a bipartisan issue supported by a majority of Americans and Trump struck a chord with these voters. Border security is not bi-partisan, alot of the Republicans are funded by wealthy business men who say I need illegal workers on m farm, my restaurant, my manufacturing plant, my meat processing plant. There are alot of rich Republicns who don't want the border closed. 4 hours ago, taxme said: Stop listening to the liberal elite Soros media establishment will you. The liberal elite Soros establishment are trying their darndest to delegitimize Donald Trump as president every which way they can. They are just a bunch of sore cry baby losers who will just not accept defeat. They are nothing more than a bunch of crap disturbers. Soon they will all be ignored. Trump can only go up once the American people see that he is the president for the people, and not the president for the likes of Soros/Clinton/Obama kind of elite. All that can be said here is give the man a chance, and let's see what he can do. If Trump starts to go back on his words than I will be the first here to crawl all over him. I hate politicians who say one thing before the election, and do another thing after the election. Lying to the people does not work for me. Yeah listen to the several GS banker elites and billionaires and exxon oil men in trump's cabinet. Wait how is trump not an establishment elite again when he funded all these new york city politicians? Trump has delegitimized himself when he started questioning obama and told people the election was rigged before he got elected. Trump has already gone back on his word, he said he'd drain th swamp, but he actually just expanded it with people like rex tillerson and steven mnuchin. He said Hilary for prison, mexico is going to pay for it, already went back on that. 4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Approval ratings poll watchers in Canada should note that President Obama never got close to President Bush's highest ratings while in office. I suspect that President Trump won't either. Obama had higher ratings on average, he had higher ratings coming into office and leaving office. 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes....Canadian media did everything they could to depict candidate Trump as a grotesque bogeyman who never could/would win, but now they have to deal with Trump's term as U.S. president instead. It is Trump's America, but a Canadian nightmare of its own making. He did enough with his hate speech to be the boogeyman. I don't think the media said he could never win. From what I recall they said Clinton had an edge in popularity and there were swing states, most of the swing states went trumps way. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Omni said: Trumps voters took him at his word to replace their jobs. They are quickly realizing they got duped. You may have a pension so you can sit back and pontificate, and ignore those folks on the rust belt, just as it seems your boy has done after he fiddled their votes from them. Inauguration is this Friday. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
betsy Posted January 18, 2017 Author Report Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed...Donald Trump is dominating Canadian news media at levels never seen before for an incoming U.S. president. Trump's America has them worrying and questioning their own future in Trudeau's Canada, which is not Trump's responsibility. I don't think there's been a Canadian government that reshuffled its cabinet so soon, just to customize it around a US President-elect! Dion was thrown under the bus, pronto! The new Foreign Affairs Minister Freeland's experience with Russia, was also a big part of this! Since when did we do that due to Russia? Could it be because Trump is determined to cultivate a closer relationship with Russia? Edited January 18, 2017 by betsy Quote
segnosaur Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 7 hours ago, Omni said: The Political Cesspool. Global Research. Brother Nathaniel. American Renaissance. IHR.org. and so many more. Not CNN/MSNBC/ABC. All fake news TV channels. I believe you have the cart before the horse. Your sources for the most part are silly blog sites, and have no real spotlight on them.Completely spin doctors. Actually, some of the sites he has listed are not just "silly blog sites"... some of them are actually spout racist neo-nazi idology. Let that sink in for a minute...perhaps one of the most vocal Trump supporters here reads neo-nazi material, and not just in a curiosity "what are they doing" sort of way... he actually considers them a valid source of information. I think that says huge things about Trump's political movement right there, first of all that someone supporting neo-nazis would find Trump such a compelling figure deserving of support, and secondly, that other Trump supporters here would look at someone like him and rather than condemn him as someone to be shunned or marginalized, actually embrace him. (In fact, bushcheney actually praised him in another thread. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 Please see the post in the Support area on how to deal with questions about sources and their credibility. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
segnosaur Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 4 hours ago, betsy said: It's not for you to decide for us whether Trump is competent or not! The facts point to Trump being quite incompetent. Multiple bankruptcies, his financial "success" mostly due to his father, and while he did win the election, he benefited from Russia and Comey.. (and still lost the popular vote). And rather than try to build any sort of bridges, he has engaged in petty twitter attacks, appointed people to his cabinet with significant conflicts of interests, and has made proposals that are expected to drive up the debt. Criticisms aren't only reserved for kicking puppies. Lewis is clearly trying to undermine the presidency of Trump by latching on something that's even dubious No, not dubious at all. Perhaps to a hard-core Trump supporter, but to reasonable, rational people (even including some wiithin the Republican party) its certainly not dubious. Whether the Russians had spread fake news or not - which some MSMedia had done too, btw - at the end of the day, it's still the people who'd made the decision who to vote for! Ultimately, only a moron will swallow everything they read on social media without any cross-checking! Intel says the voting system (pertains to counting of votes) wasn't tampered with! First of all, do you know what a strawman is? Its an attempt to attack somebody's position by suggesting they believe in something they do not. And its incredibly weak. Your post contained 2 significant straw men... the suggestion that the Russians were spreading fake news (the actual problem is that only one side was hacked; were it a fair election, both Republicans and Democrats would have had their dirty laundry aired to the public, but only one of them was), and that voting systems were attacked (nobody is suggesting the machines themselves were tampered with.) If you have to resort to building straw men to support your view, then you've lost. Secondly you suggest that people shouldn't believe in social media without fact-checking. But indeed that's what's happened. Trump supporters are overwhelmingly gulliable, (For example, almost half of them believe in the #pizzagate conspiracy myth, despite the fact that there is absolutely no evidence to support it and it should be dismissed by a rational thinking individual as being ridiculous.) http://www.dailywire.com/news/11935/how-many-trump-voters-think-pizzagate-real-frank-camp Instead of trying to influencee election and playing partisanship, if MSMedia had done their job as they're supposed to do - like checking for facts You're right.. .the media did drop the ball. But not in the way you think. Trump lied constantly. The media should have been hammering him at every opportunity. Every question of Trump should have been along the lines of "You claim you were against the Iraq war but we have you on tape saying you support it. How can you justify your were against it from the start?" or "You claim that that a general used bullets dipped in pigs blood to stop terrorism. Evidence shows that is wrong. How do you justify making that false claim?" Instead, they let him get away with so much. Instead of pointing out Trump's lies and flaws, they kept coming back to Hillary's problems (which, although she wasn't perfect, she had far fewer flaws than Trump.) - they wouldn't all have looked stupid when they saw that their polls were totally out of whack! Thank you for demonstrating how Trump supporters don't actually understand facts. The truth is, the polls were not totally out of wack. The last set of polls before the election had Hillary winning by ~3%. On election day, she actually won the popular vote by ~2%. So polls were only out by 1%, well within the margin of error. (Trump won the electoral college, but many of the states were won with very thin margins.) The fact that Trump supporters keep pointing to "the incorrect polls" shows that they don't actually have the ability to actually think rationally. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/05/which-was-the-most-accurate-national-poll-in-the-2016-presidential-election/?utm_term=.c935c411db3a Quote
cybercoma Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2017 by cybercoma Quote
segnosaur Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Please see the post in the Support area on how to deal with questions about sources and their credibility. I am not sure if that was directed at me or not. But in my defense, the main purpose of my post was not to discuss the credibility of any individual source; my point was to point out the rather disturbing trend among Trump and his supporters to both be more accepting of racists, and/or to minimize how detestable racism should be. The fact that some of the sources used by the poster in question were neo-nazi was just evidence to make a point. (I could have also pointed to things like the use of Confederate flags at Trump rallies.) Quote
betsy Posted January 18, 2017 Author Report Posted January 18, 2017 3 hours ago, segnosaur said: The facts point to Trump being quite incompetent. Multiple bankruptcies, his financial "success" mostly due to his father, and while he did win the election, he benefited from Russia and Comey.. (and still lost the popular vote). And rather than try to build any sort of bridges, he has engaged in petty twitter attacks, appointed people to his cabinet with significant conflicts of interests, and has made proposals that are expected to drive up the debt. No, not dubious at all. Perhaps to a hard-core Trump supporter, but to reasonable, rational people (even including some wiithin the Republican party) its certainly not dubious. Sorry, Seg...........but you're just among those who couldn't get over Trump winning. :shrug: Quote
betsy Posted January 18, 2017 Author Report Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, segnosaur said: my point was to point out the rather disturbing trend among Trump and his supporters to both be more accepting of racists, and/or to minimize how detestable racism should be. That's why I say, you're laughable. To label Trump and some blogsites as racists - and us too - just because our views don't fit with yours on the way you view immigration, is showing that you've got quite a tunnel-vision. Demonizing those who don't agree with you, is also showing your intolerance. So.....spare me the hypocritical drama! Edited January 18, 2017 by betsy Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 3 hours ago, cybercoma said: How would America react if it's largest trading partner started being run as a fully socialist state? Would the leader of the country be irrelevant to America and Americans then? It already is....see "China". Most Americans have no idea who the leader is....or care. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 2 hours ago, segnosaur said: ...But in my defense, the main purpose of my post was not to discuss the credibility of any individual source; my point was to point out the rather disturbing trend among Trump and his supporters to both be more accepting of racists, and/or to minimize how detestable racism should be. The fact that some of the sources used by the poster in question were neo-nazi was just evidence to make a point. (I could have also pointed to things like the use of Confederate flags at Trump rallies.) All perfectly legal as First Amendment rights for American citizens. Nothing wrong with "Confederate flags" either. More "racism" occurred/occurs under the American union flag thanever happened in the Confederacy. The U.S. is not "hate speech" challenged....like Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
betsy Posted January 18, 2017 Author Report Posted January 18, 2017 Quote Trump eyes 10 percent spending cuts, 20 percent slash of federal workers http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/boom-trump-eyes-10-spending-cuts-20-slash-of-federal-workers/article/2612037 He isn't wasting any time. Interesting first 100 days...... Quote
?Impact Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 1 minute ago, betsy said: He isn't wasting any time. Interesting first 100 days...... Fire over half a million people, so much for his jobs initiative. Make America Unemployed Again. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Fire over half a million people, so much for his jobs initiative. Make America Unemployed Again. I'm sure Hillary will hire them into her shadow government...pardon...her charity. What? They're firing folks too?? Say it isn't so! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
?Impact Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nothing wrong with "Confederate flags" either. Have you read the declarations of succession from Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, and Mississippi where they wanted to maintain slavery? What about more recently (the 40's) where the Confederate flag became the symbol of the 'Dixiecrats' to promote segregation. In '62 it was raised over the Alabama Capitol to protest desegregation. The Confederate Flag is clearly a symbol of racism. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 Just now, ?Impact said: Have you read the declarations of succession from Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, and Mississippi where they wanted to maintain slavery? What about more recently (the 40's) where the Confederate flag became the symbol of the 'Dixiecrats' to promote segregation. In '62 it was raised over the Alabama Capitol to protest desegregation. The Confederate Flag is clearly a symbol of racism. http://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/hillary-alabama-pin.jpg Info Wars made them to slag Hillary...of course. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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