America under President Trump

[Shady]

4 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

The new nafta is being held up because Mexico refuses to upgrade their labour laws. 

In what way are they being asked to upgrade?

[taxme]

22 hours ago, Boges said:

Evidence?

Just because she says a POTUS shouldn't be extorting foreign leaders for political help? 

He provides first hand accounts that match the "hearsay" that witnesses testified about last week.  

Both him and Williams were on the call. It's not hearsay. 

Where is your evidence that Trump is extorting any foreign leaders? This farce of a hearing is just that, a bloody ridiculous farce being played on Americans by the crybaby losers who lost the election to Trump. Why do you think that the democrats want Trump's head so bad? Because he is exposing them for the corrupt liars that they are. The deep swamp brigade. 

Hearsay means nothing in law. No one can be convicted on hearsay. If that were the case, I could say that probably half the people in Canada could be in jail today. Do you think that people should be convicted and sent to jail on a hearsay? I could say that I heard that Canucklehead said this, and that should be enough for me to now have you arrested and sent to jail. Come on, get real will you. 

If you are not that smart enough to figure out as to what has been going by now for the past three years with all of these useless investigations, hearings and proceedings and attacks on Trump, well, all I can say here about you that you appear to be quite the gullible person.

If I told you that I heard(hearsay)that Trump has a whorehouse in Thailand, even though it was not true, and Trump is using taxpayer's tax dollars to run it, you would no doubt probably believe it, especially if the democrats told you this was supposed to be true. The democrats would make believe it and they would no doubt start up another investigation on Trump over this whorehouse hearsay. Hey, we got Trump now. Lol. The democrats would no doubt go by "hearsay" being the dummy sore election loser bimbos that they are. You no doubt believed in the Mueller investigation that Trump was guilty. Well, it was found out he was not.  It's amazing just how gullible you appear to be over all of this impeachment nonsense. Hello!  

And both did not hear anything impeachable. Just a couple of let's get Trump liars. 

[taxme]

24 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

The new nafta is being held up because Mexico refuses to upgrade their labour laws. 

That may be but it is Pelosi who is holding it up also. But why does Canada also want to include LGBTQ and equality/diversity in the agreement. What has that got to do with making a trade deal is beyond me. Is the trade deal all about jobs or all about someone's sexual perversions in Canada? Mexico will probably never try to change their labor laws anyway. I say scuttle the whole dam thing, and just give it up. Let the people in business do their own bidding and agreements between other countries. Why does the government have to be involved in trade deals anyway? They only f it all up anyway. Tariffs are just another excuse to create more taxes for the government. 

[Boges]

16 minutes ago, taxme said:

That may be but it is Pelosi who is holding it up also. But why does Canada also want to include LGBTQ and equality/diversity in the agreement. What has that got to do with making a trade deal is beyond me. Is the trade deal all about jobs or all about someone's sexual perversions in Canada? Mexico will probably never try to change their labor laws anyway. I say scuttle the whole dam thing, and just give it up. Let the people in business do their own bidding and agreements between other countries. Why does the government have to be involved in trade deals anyway? They only f it all up anyway. Tariffs are just another excuse to create more taxes for the government. 

The Senate is holding up dozens of bills that the House has passed. Not even voting on them. So the narrative that the Dems are do-nothing is a fabrication. 

[Boges]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

Where is your evidence that Trump is extorting any foreign leaders? This farce of a hearing is just that, a bloody ridiculous farce being played on Americans by the crybaby losers who lost the election to Trump. Why do you think that the democrats want Trump's head so bad? Because he is exposing them for the corrupt liars that they are. The deep swamp brigade. 

How is Sondland a Deep State plant? 

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Hearsay means nothing in law. No one can be convicted on hearsay. If that were the case, I could say that probably half the people in Canada could be in jail today. Do you think that people should be convicted and sent to jail on a hearsay? I could say that I heard that Canucklehead said this, and that should be enough for me to now have you arrested and sent to jail. Come on, get real will you. 

You don't need to have committed a crime to be impeached and several witnesses this week gave first hand testimony. 

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If you are not that smart enough to figure out as to what has been going by now for the past three years with all of these useless investigations, hearings and proceedings and attacks on Trump, well, all I can say here about you that you appear to be quite the gullible person.

The Mueller Investigation was started by Republicans. Seems you're the gullible one to see this as a Democrat Witch Hunt. The Ukraine Affair started from a Whistleblower complaint.

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If I told you that I heard(hearsay)that Trump has a whorehouse in Thailand, even though it was not true, and Trump is using taxpayer's tax dollars to run it, you would no doubt probably believe it, especially if the democrats told you this was supposed to be true. The democrats would make believe it and they would no doubt start up another investigation on Trump over this whorehouse hearsay. Hey, we got Trump now. Lol. The democrats would no doubt go by "hearsay" being the dummy sore election loser bimbos that they are. You no doubt believed in the Mueller investigation that Trump was guilty. Well, it was found out he was not.  It's amazing just how gullible you appear to be over all of this impeachment nonsense. Hello!  

And both did not hear anything impeachable. Just a couple of let's get Trump liars. 

 

I would argue asking another foreign leader for an investigation into a political rival is an impeachable offence on the pure face of it. With Sondland's Testimony today it confirms all the hearsay we heard last week, most certainly was coming from the direction of Trump and Gulianni. 

If Trump ever becomes a Private citizen again, he'll see the repercussions of the Mueller report. The DOJ opinion against indicting a sitting President saved him. The Mueller Investigation produce several convictions. 

Micheal Cohen is in jail for something Trump directed him to do. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by Boges

[Boges]

It's notable of the timing of Trump's "I want nothing, I don't want a Quid Pro Quo". 

It comes right after it was known that there was a Whistleblower complaint. He's trying to cover his tracks. Ditto with finally releasing the funds two days after Congress starting asking questions. It's not evidence that he didn't direct people to withhold military funds in exchange for investigations of a political rival. It actually indicates the opposite. HE GOT CAUGHT!!!

Also the "I want nothing" line is also a lie. He did want something as per the July 25 call. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by Boges

[Boges]

A little Logic Experiment. 

Known Facts:
1) Trump asked Zelensky for investigations into Burisma (Proxy for the Bidens) and Crowdstrike. Both would help him politically. 

2) Military Aid that Ukraine needed was being withheld even though the funds were approved by congress. 

The Trump Defence is that the two are unrelated, but that asks the question as to why the money was withheld if not for leverage/extortion purposes. Sondland testified today that he never got an answer as to why the money was being withheld. 

After the WB complaint became public Trump gave two explanations. 

a) European countries weren't pulling there wait.
This is False, it's also a stupid reason. Withholding the money doesn't encourage other NATO countries from helping, it just hurts Ukraine. 

b) Trump is concerned with corruption in Ukraine. 
Sondland testified that Trump only really cared about the investigations. He also speaks of a first hand phone conversation where it was brought up. He stated that he'd actually have been surprised if it wasn't brought up. It's all Trump cared about.  

No one can think or cite of any other instances of Ukrainian Corruption that Trump showed interest in. One could argue that he believe Ukraine was out to get him. That speaks to the Crowdstrike conspiracy theory he demanded Zelensky look into. 

Based on all the evidence and the Trump administrations attempts to obstruct the investigation, only a logical person would conclude the money was withheld as a leverage tactic AKA Extortion. 

The only defence is that, because there's no transcript that has Trump say "Go commit crimes!" It's not enough evidence.

Again, this doesn't get Trump removed from Office, The GOP are scared shitless of him. But I predict the limp-wristed response to an obvious abuse of power will bring the Senate back to the Democrats. 

Even if Trump does, somehow, win re-election, because he only really needs to fight in 6 States, he'll have both Houses of Congress against him. He'll get absolutely nothing accomplished. 

 

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, Boges said:

A little Logic Experiment. 

Known Facts:
1) Trump asked Zelensky for investigations into Burisma (Proxy for the Bidens) and Crowdstrike. Both would help him politically. 

2) Military Aid that Ukraine needed was being withheld even though the funds were approved by congress. 

The Trump Defence is that the two are unrelated, but that asks the question as to why the money was withheld if not for leverage/extortion purposes. Sondland testified today that he never got an answer as to why the money was being withheld. 

After the WB complaint became public Trump gave two explanations. 

a) European countries weren't pulling there wait.
This is False, it's also a stupid reason. Withholding the money doesn't encourage other NATO countries from helping, it just hurts Ukraine. 

b) Trump is concerned with corruption in Ukraine. 
Sondland testified that Trump only really cared about the investigations. He also speaks of a first hand phone conversation where it was brought up. He stated that he'd actually have been surprised if it wasn't brought up. It's all Trump cared about.  

No one can think or cite of any other instances of Ukrainian Corruption that Trump showed interest in. One could argue that he believe Ukraine was out to get him. That speaks to the Crowdstrike conspiracy theory he demanded Zelensky look into. 

Based on all the evidence and the Trump administrations attempts to obstruct the investigation, only a logical person would conclude the money was withheld as a leverage tactic AKA Extortion. 

The only defence is that, because there's no transcript that has Trump say "Go commit crimes!" It's not enough evidence.

Again, this doesn't get Trump removed from Office, The GOP are scared shitless of him. But I predict the limp-wristed response to an obvious abuse of power will bring the Senate back to the Democrats. 

Even if Trump does, somehow, win re-election, because he only really needs to fight in 6 States, he'll have both Houses of Congress against him. He'll get absolutely nothing accomplished. 

 

Was it more inappropriate for Trump to ask to have the investigation re-opened than it was for Biden to get the investigation closed in the first place? Nope.

You know well enough that Trump had good reason to want an investigation into what happened with crowdstrike. A serious accusation was made against him and his name was dragged through the mud 24/7 for over 2 years. All he did was ask for an investigation to find the truth. That doesn't sound like a guilty man to me.

The Dems will lose a lot of seats in the House and Senate over this latest round of illegitimate garbage. Who's going to vote for Schiff's sycophants after this?

 

[Yzermandius19]

11 hours ago, Boges said:

Also the "I want nothing" line is also a lie. He did want something as per the July 25 call. 

Speculation.

[Boges]

5 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Speculation.

Nope, he said "I'd like you to do me a favour though" That's a quote. That's wanting something. 

[Boges]

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Was it more inappropriate for Trump to ask to have the investigation re-opened than it was for Biden to get the investigation closed in the first place? Nope.

You know well enough that Trump had good reason to want an investigation into what happened with crowdstrike. A serious accusation was made against him and his name was dragged through the mud 24/7 for over 2 years. All he did was ask for an investigation to find the truth. That doesn't sound like a guilty man to me.

Dr. Fiona Hill's testimony this morning. Pre-Released. 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fiona-hill-opening-remarks-impeachment-hearing/index.html

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The unfortunate truth is that Russia was the foreign power that systematically attacked our democratic institutions in 2016. This is the public conclusion of our intelligence agencies, confirmed in bipartisan Congressional reports. It is beyond dispute, even if some of the underlying details must remain classified.

Crowdstrike is a crazy conspiracy theory that has been long been debunked. 

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

Nope, he said "I'd like you to do me a favour though" That's a quote. That's wanting something. 

I want nothing, no quid pro quo, context.

[Boges]

25 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I want nothing, no quid pro quo, context.

The context of that quote is that he's realized that there's a Whistleblower complaint that's about to go public and he needs to cover his tracks. 

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

The context of that quote is that he's realized that there's a Whistleblower complaint that's about to go public and he needs to cover his tracks. 

Speculation.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

Dr. Fiona Hill's testimony this morning. Pre-Released. 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fiona-hill-opening-remarks-impeachment-hearing/index.html

Crowdstrike is a crazy conspiracy theory that has been long been debunked. 

So the fact remains that when Trump asked Zelenski about crowdstrike it wasn't a crime, and it wasn't election meddling, and the Dems were lying when they said that Trump instantly asked for an investigation into Biden when the topic of Javelins came up. Nothing has changed. The Dems lied. Next topic I guess?

The Dems and CNN want to lie about a phone call, and they want to investigate Trump for 3 years for random things that they know are BS, and they want to look into an attempted rape case that happened in an unspecified year at an unspecified location with 4 witnesses that didn't see or hear anything, but they are adamant that we don't need to look into the Biden family's blatant profiteering, Smollett's hate crime, Jeffrey Epstein's death, etc. "CASE CLOSED!!!!!"

Why is it that the crimes that the Dems have evidence of are the ones that they don't want investigated?

[bush_cheney2004]

Uh-oh...the Democrats remain in serious campaign fundraising trouble....Trump and the GOP are just killing them :

 

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The Democratic National Committee (DNC) released its disappointing October fundraising numbers in the middle of the party’s fifth presidential primary debate.

The DNC reported less than $8.7 million cash on hand and over $7 million debt in an FEC report released Wednesday. (RELATED: Trump Campaign, RNC Raise More Than $100 Million In Second Quarter)

... The RNC raised nearly three times as much money as the DNC last month, pulling in over $25 million in October, while reporting over $60 million cash on hand. Additionally, the joint fundraising effort between the Trump campaign and the RNC has raised over $300 million in 2019 so far, and reported over $156 million cash on hand last month.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/20/dnc-fundraising-numbers-debate/

 

 

[taxme]

On 11/20/2019 at 1:19 PM, Boges said:

How is Sondland a Deep State plant? 

You don't need to have committed a crime to be impeached and several witnesses this week gave first hand testimony. 

The Mueller Investigation was started by Republicans. Seems you're the gullible one to see this as a Democrat Witch Hunt. The Ukraine Affair started from a Whistleblower complaint.

I would argue asking another foreign leader for an investigation into a political rival is an impeachable offence on the pure face of it. With Sondland's Testimony today it confirms all the hearsay we heard last week, most certainly was coming from the direction of Trump and Gulianni. 

If Trump ever becomes a Private citizen again, he'll see the repercussions of the Mueller report. The DOJ opinion against indicting a sitting President saved him. The Mueller Investigation produce several convictions. 

Micheal Cohen is in jail for something Trump directed him to do. 

As far as I am concerned, everyone who against Trump are of and for the deep state. 

Well, today I have to inform you that once again the dumbocrats have failed in their attempt to impeach Trump. Too bad, so sad. Lol.  I guess before the year is out, or maybe in the new year, the bunch of dumbos will try to come up with another attempt to try and impeach Trump. One would think that after a couple of kicks in the ass one would get the picture. But those fools no doubt will try again soon to try and nail Trump on something stupid again. If there is anyone that needs to be impeached is the democrats. They have spent 3 years of America's time and tax dollars and come up empty handed. The DNC are the deep state crooks and liars in Washington. They will pay big time in the next election. Go, Trump, go.  

[taxme]

On 11/20/2019 at 1:30 PM, Boges said:

It's notable of the timing of Trump's "I want nothing, I don't want a Quid Pro Quo". 

It comes right after it was known that there was a Whistleblower complaint. He's trying to cover his tracks. Ditto with finally releasing the funds two days after Congress starting asking questions. It's not evidence that he didn't direct people to withhold military funds in exchange for investigations of a political rival. It actually indicates the opposite. HE GOT CAUGHT!!!

Also the "I want nothing" line is also a lie. He did want something as per the July 25 call. 

Schiff was the whistleblower. That is why shiffty Schiff was not able to bring this whistleblower forward. The whistleblower was already there, sitting right there in front of everybody. 

Look, try and get things right for a change. Obama did pretty much the same thing like most all other leaders in the world do. Hey, do a quid pro quo favor for me. We all know that Biden did it. It was plain as day that he did commit a quid pro quo. That was a real and true quid pro quo. Trump never came anywhere close to what Biden did. Wake up. 

[godzilla]

23 hours ago, taxme said:

Schiff was the whistleblower.

everyone knows that Hilary Clinton is the whistleblower!!!!

[bush_cheney2004]

Cancel culture loses one of its own....

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Newsweek fires journalist who reported Trump was golfing for Thanksgiving before he secretly travelled to Afghanistan

The Washington Examiner quoted a Newsweek spokesman who said: "Newsweek investigated the failures that led to the publication of the inaccurate report that President Trump spent Thanksgiving tweeting and golfing rather than visiting troops in Afghanistan.

"The story has been corrected, and the journalist responsible has been terminated. We will continue to review our processes and, if required, take further action.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/newsweek-fires-journalist-reported-trump-142400157.html

 

 

[Rue]

On 11/20/2019 at 4:50 PM, Boges said:

A little Logic Experiment. 

Known Facts:
1) Trump asked Zelensky for investigations into Burisma (Proxy for the Bidens) and Crowdstrike. Both would help him politically. 

2) Military Aid that Ukraine needed was being withheld even though the funds were approved by congress. 

The Trump Defence is that the two are unrelated, but that asks the question as to why the money was withheld if not for leverage/extortion purposes. Sondland testified today that he never got an answer as to why the money was being withheld. 

After the WB complaint became public Trump gave two explanations. 

a) European countries weren't pulling there wait.
This is False, it's also a stupid reason. Withholding the money doesn't encourage other NATO countries from helping, it just hurts Ukraine. 

b) Trump is concerned with corruption in Ukraine. 
Sondland testified that Trump only really cared about the investigations. He also speaks of a first hand phone conversation where it was brought up. He stated that he'd actually have been surprised if it wasn't brought up. It's all Trump cared about.  

No one can think or cite of any other instances of Ukrainian Corruption that Trump showed interest in. One could argue that he believe Ukraine was out to get him. That speaks to the Crowdstrike conspiracy theory he demanded Zelensky look into. 

Based on all the evidence and the Trump administrations attempts to obstruct the investigation, only a logical person would conclude the money was withheld as a leverage tactic AKA Extortion. 

The only defence is that, because there's no transcript that has Trump say "Go commit crimes!" It's not enough evidence.

Again, this doesn't get Trump removed from Office, The GOP are scared shitless of him. But I predict the limp-wristed response to an obvious abuse of power will bring the Senate back to the Democrats. 

Even if Trump does, somehow, win re-election, because he only really needs to fight in 6 States, he'll have both Houses of Congress against him. He'll get absolutely nothing accomplished. 

 

He asked for a quid pro quo then said he did not. Like everything, he says something then a second later denies he said it. He's on record of doing this over 3,000 times with public statements. It is a constant feature of his pathological lying an essential characteristic of his narcissistic personality disorder and  his lack of impulse control between subconscious and conscious thoughts probably caused by adhd.  Is he a liar. In one sense absolutely yes because in many cases he lies deliberately and without remorse. In other cases I would venture to say he has no clue what-so-ever and people are afraid in his inner circle to control his lack of impulse control. People deny his lying the way they do alcoholic or drug addicted behaviour. They go along with the fantasy no different than they did with Hitler or Stalin. Is it based on fear? For some maybe, for others its the fact they will glorify anyone they think has power and thus you can have pedophiles like Michael Jackson  molesting children for years and people glorifying him and looking the other way. Thus we have Justin Trudeau red h anded caught lying and violating the most basic of ethical doctrine and principles of rules of justice and people continue to vote him back in with a double standard because they think he is their version of royalty or celebrity. Would it surprise me he gets voted back in. No at this point the collective i..q. of Americans who vote is at 5. Too much Budweiser beer and brain damage from football. I think at this point the best candidate for President should be Vince McMahon. At least he can follow a script and build an empire.

[godzilla]

I kinda feel sorry for Trump though... I mean, he had a rather tough time growing up. His brother didn't survive that. And now he is so obviously inwardly empty of things and clings to his own delusions of grandeur. Even his business is obviously built on money laundering for Russian oligarchs, north korea etc... Its a pretty empty existence. And its not like the history books will be quoting him or anything except in mokery.

[Boges]

Remember when Trump said the world is laughing at the US. Don't remember any world leader laughing at Obama. 

Well you have a Gaggle of World leaders lead by a guy who likes to wear Black face openly mocking Trump. 

Well done Murika! 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/politics/world-leaders-joke-about-donald-trump-nato/index.html

[Yzermandius19]

48 minutes ago, Boges said:

Remember when Trump said the world is laughing at the US. Don't remember any world leader laughing at Obama. 

Well you have a Gaggle of World leaders lead by a guy who likes to wear Black face openly mocking Trump. 

Well done Murika! 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/politics/world-leaders-joke-about-donald-trump-nato/index.html

You take jokes way too seriously, get a sense of humor.

[Boges]

13 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

You take jokes way too seriously, get a sense of humor.

You first.