bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Omni said: American's are noted for their lack of travel knowledge. And you would do well to keep Donald at home. He seems to embarrass himself and the country wherever he goes. The wild handshakes for instance. Americans travel a lot when they want to....it's just that Canada is not #1 on their list. Foreign travelers come to the U.S. far more than going to Canada....always have. Admitting that Trump's America matters more to you is not a sin, but is quite revealing. Edited October 14, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Americans travel a lot when they want too....it's just that Canada is not #1 on their list. Foreign travelers come to the U.S. far more than going to Canada....always have. Admitting that Trump's America matters more to you is not a sin, but is quite revealing. Americans generally travel in the back of the Sun Tour bus for the guided tours. They leave wherever they have been to still ignorant of where they have been. A bit of a waste of travel dollars I'd say. Actually more tourists are coming to Canada since Trump came to power and talked about banning anybody with any connection to a Muslim. We appreciate the business, thanks Donald. Trump's America should matter to you. We just giggle and shake our heads up here. Our constitution is intact. Quote
eyeball Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 44 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: That is not good debate however. I agree its pretty hopeless trying to communicate with you but I find that's true with virtually every right-wing conservative these days. Maybe we can pick a dictionary we agree to and reference every single word we write so we know we're on the same page. It'll be laborious but I don't see any other way. Personally I think most right-wingers deliberately choose to be obtuse because its all they've got left to stand on. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Omni said: ...Trump's America should matter to you. We just giggle and shake our heads up here. Our constitution is intact. Trump's America does matter to me. But apparently it matters a lot to you too...and we know why. More people travel to the U.S. than to Canada. There is no compelling or pedestrian reason for me to cross the Canadian border...not for cheaper gas / cigarettes...not for better weather....not for cross border shopping....not for cheaper air fares...not for relatives....not for faster health care....not for employment...not for better highways...not even for French lessons. We'll leave a light on for 'ya. Edited October 14, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump's America does matter to me. But apparently it matters a lot to you too...and we know why. More people travel to the U.S. than to Canada. There is no compelling or pedestrian reason for me to cross the Canadian border...not for cheaper gas / cigarettes...not for better weather....not for cross border shopping....not for cheaper air fares...not for relatives....not for faster health care....not for better highways...not even for French lessons. We'll leave a light on for 'ya. I suspect Trump's America does matter to you. You're both the same ilk. Enjoy the isolation. Quote
OftenWrong Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: I agree its pretty hopeless trying to communicate with you but I find that's true with virtually every right-wing conservative these days. Maybe we can pick a dictionary we agree to and reference every single word we write so we know we're on the same page. It'll be laborious but I don't see any other way. Personally I think most right-wingers deliberately choose to be obtuse because its all they've got left to stand on. One cannot stand on one leg for very long, let alone expect to achieve mobility. What we need these days but shall not have is more people trying to reach across the divide, tone down the rhetoric and create common ground, lest we rend our own selves to pieces. I don't see many folks willing to do that, left or right. Moderation is fleeting... today we see even moderators quit their jobs to join in the fracas, becoming radicalized. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Omni said: I suspect Trump's America does matter to you. You're both the same ilk. Enjoy the isolation. Thank you, but isolation won't keep the foreigners from coming to Trump's America more than going to Canada. Your post above is an example why. The annual migration of Canadian snowbirds to Trump's America has already started, just like it always does. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Thank you, but isolation won't keep the foreigners from coming to Trump's America more than going to Canada. Your post above is an example why. The annual migration of Canadian snowbirds to Trump's America has already started, just like it always does. And the increased diversion of EU tourists toward Canada and away from the US is welcomed. Thanks Donald. Keep up the stupid comments and we'll keep the airports open. Quote
eyeball Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: One cannot stand on one leg for very long, let alone expect to achieve mobility. What we need these days but shall not have is more people trying to reach across the divide, tone down the rhetoric and create common ground, lest we rend our own selves to pieces. I don't see many folks willing to do that, left or right. Moderation is fleeting... today we see even moderators quit their jobs to join in the fracas, becoming radicalized. I just tried reaching, by suggesting we reference a common dictionary we all agree to use so as to prevent confusion over the terms and definitions we use. Moderators should be employing the same measures judges in a formal debate use. If the discussion is about apples but someone keeps referring to oranges they should be penalized. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Omni said: And the increased diversion of EU tourists toward Canada and away from the US is welcomed. Thanks Donald. Keep up the stupid comments and we'll keep the airports open. Thank you...I will. Your admission above reflects just how much more important Trump's America is to you. I always suspected as much. It is a common refrain for many Canadians....Trump's America matters to them too. Your prime minister has spent a lot of time in Trump's America....Trump has yet to visit Canada as president. This is the nature of the relationship....U.S. border matters more....it is the gateway to more than what is available only in Canada. Edited October 14, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Thank you...I will. Your admission above reflects just how much more important Trump's America is to you. I always suspected as much. It is a common refrain for many Canadians....Trump's America matters to them too. Your prime minister has spent a lot of time in Trump's America....Trump has yet to visit Canada. This is the nature of the relationship....U.S. border matters more....it is the gateway to more than what is available only in Canada. We don't want Trump to visit Canada so keep him home OK? Everywhere else he has visited he simply embarrassed himself and dragged the head of government in those countries through having to deal with inarticulate conversations and goofy handshakes. Trudeau has Trump right where he wants him. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Omni said: We don't want Trump to visit Canada so keep him home OK? Everywhere else he has visited he simply embarrassed himself and dragged the head of government in those countries through having to deal with inarticulate conversations and goofy handshakes. Trudeau has Trump right where he wants him. Trump will likely visit for the next G7 meeting in Canada. (Canada wouldn't even be in the G7 were it not for the U.S. / President Ford...France said NO !) Some Canadians will throw their usual conniption fits if he does. Trudeau is like many who travel to the U.S. many times....they have to / need to, because it matters so much more to them. This was true before Trump, and it will be true long after Trump. Edited October 14, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump will likely visit for the next G7 meeting in Canada. Some Canadians will throw their usual conniption fits if he does. Trudeau is like many who travel to the U.S. many times....they have to / need to, because it matters so much more to them. This was true before Trump, and it will be true long after Trump. Trudeau will continue to manipulate Trump and we will get the trade deal we want. As I said, JT hat the Donald right where he wants him. JT took a page out of Chretiens book. Edited October 14, 2017 by Omni Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 Just now, Omni said: Trudeau will continue to manipulate Trump and we will get the trade deal we want. As I said, JT hat the Donald right where he wants him. Right....Trudeau and Freeland are doing so well they are willing to consider throwing Mexico under the bus. Trudeau is still licking his wounds from new tariffs. Even Canadians in the west are ripping Trudeau for Bombardier bailouts while screwing energy pipelines. At least Trump reversed Obama's stupid decision on the KXL pipeline to save the Canadian day. Trudeau already told a Canadian audience just how much more important Trump's America is to Canada. "Because it matters so much". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Right....Trudeau and Freeland are doing so well they are willing to consider throwing Mexico under the bus. Trudeau is still licking his wounds from new tariffs. Even Canadians in the west are ripping Trudeau for Bombardier bailouts while screwing energy pipelines. At least Trump reversed Obama's stupid decision on the KXL pipeline to save the Canadian day. Trudeau already told a Canadian audience just how much more important Trump's America is to Canada. "Because it matters so much". Apparently you missed something. Trudeau is in Mexico working a way around Trump, and the actual business/government people who are actually reworking NAFTA are also working around Trump. Cooler heads hopefully will prevail. Who wants a creep who brags about sexual assault being in control of anything? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Omni said: Apparently you missed something. Trudeau is in Mexico working a way around Trump, and the actual business/government people who are actually reworking NAFTA are also working around Trump. Cooler heads hopefully will prevail. Who wants a creep who brags about sexual assault being in control of anything? Either way, Trump will force a change to NAFTA, just as he promised. Trudeau and Nieto can only react to Trump's leadership on the NAFTA "file". Trudeau has no such influence...because he is...Trudeau. Canada is only 8% of North America's population. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Either way, Trump will force a change to NAFTA, just as he promised. Trudeau and Nieto can only react to Trump's leadership on the NAFTA "file". Trudeau has no such influence...because he is...Trudeau. Canada is only 8% of North America's population. Trump has demonstrated no leadership capabilities on anything. As I say, things such as NAFTA will be reworked based on the negotiations of actual business people. Trump can't make an intelligent comment about what's going on in the world without reading it off a teleprompter. And we've all seen how stupid he sounds when he does go off on his own. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Omni said: Trump has demonstrated no leadership capabilities on anything. As I say, things such as NAFTA will be reworked based on the negotiations of actual business people. Trump can't make an intelligent comment about what's going on in the world without reading it off a teleprompter. And we've all seen how stupid he sounds when he does go off on his own. NAFTA would not be in total re-negotiation were it not for President Trump. Did I mention that Canada is only 8% of North America's population ? Trudeau certainly wasn't going to do anything to change Canada's export gravy train to Trump's America. Even on a bad day, Trump still has much more influence in the world than impotent Trudeau. Edited October 14, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: NAFTA would not be in total re-negotiation were it not for President Trump. Did I mention that Canada is only 8% of North America's population ? Trudeau certainly wasn't going to do anything to change Canada's export gravy train to Trump's America. Even on a bad day, Trump still has much more influence in the world than impotent Trudeau. NAFTA will move forward with a few tweaks to update it. Trump will comb his phony hairpiece and slap on a new lather of orange flour and claim he did so well. He won't even know what's in it. Trudeau and Nieto will wink wink, nudge nudge. And the band will play on. Quote
Omni Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: NAFTA would not be in total re-negotiation were it not for President Trump. Trudeau certainly wasn't going to do anything to change Canada's export gravy train to Trump's America. Even on a bad day, Trump still has much more influence in the world than impotent Trudeau. The fact that Trump is so out of touch is not good for y'all, but that fact is also good in that he can be gone around for the good of us all. NAFTA will continue with a few tweaks to bring it up to date. Trump will claim success of course. The adults will have dotted the I's and crossed the T's. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 17 minutes ago, Omni said: NAFTA will move forward .... Correct....because of Trump's leadership....not Trudeau's or Nieto's. Again, like the U.S. border is to Canada and Mexico, it is the nature of the relationship. Still waiting for a Canadian or Mexican car make to build final assembly plants in the USA....more popcorn ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 Another NAFTA dose of economic reality from Canada's state broadcaster: Quote Of course, Canada's commerce with Mexico will always be small compared with its enormous trade with the U.S. (today it's a mere 2 per cent by volume). Canadian trade is equally insignificant for Mexico, when compared to the amount it buys and sells in the U.S. So the notion that Canada and Mexico can somehow work around Donald Trump is a forlorn dream. As long as Donald Trump remains ensconced in the White House, NAFTA talks will be driven by American demands, with Mexico and Canada scrambling to respond and control the damage. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-mexico-1.4355021 Trump matters more on NAFTA than Trudeau or Nieto. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Another NAFTA dose of economic reality from Canada's state broadcaster: Trump matters more on NAFTA than Trudeau or Nieto. He's certainly more of a joke. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Omni said: He's certainly more of a joke. He's more of everything...he matters more than Trudeau ever will / can. Edited October 14, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted October 15, 2017 Report Posted October 15, 2017 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: He's more of everything...he matters more than Trudeau ever will / can. So you don't mind your head of state being a joke? Obviously not. Quote
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