eyeball Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 28 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Premiums should go down for healthier young people and up for sicker old people. It's health insurance, not social welfare. It should be though and the fact it isn't is why things are so far more FUBAR in your system than just about any other civilized country on Earth. Amongst other things you should really do something about catering to your parasite class of private insurers. Use them for something more useful like medical experiments. 2 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 1 minute ago, eyeball said: It should be though and the fact it isn't is why things are so far more FUBAR in your system than just about any other civilized country on Earth. Amongst other things you should really do something about catering to your parasite class of private insurers. Use them for something more useful like medical experiments. Yeah...we'll get right on that...because Canada's health care system is the best in the world. President Trump can't do any worse than President Obama when it comes to "medical experiments". 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: No, healthcare is just another service provided by doctors, practitioners, nurses, and specialists. Same as getting your car fixed, but much more expensive. Paying for healthcare is regarded by some as social welfare, but it shouldn't be IMHO. There is no right to health care, not even in the Great Canada. Billions are wasted each year on dying seniors....why should the young be disproportionately burdened with these costs ? Guess that's why Canada ranks 10th and the US 36th when it comes to health adjusted life expectancy. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
?Impact Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yeah...we'll get right on that...because Canada's health care system is the best in the world. If you have cystic fibrosis in the US, you will die 10 years earlier than if you are in Canada. You want health insurance for young healthy people only? What is that, an insurance company skimming profits as the middleman. That is not health insurance, that is just a broker taking a cut. 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 Just now, Wilber said: Guess that's why Canada ranks 10th and the US 36th when it comes to health adjusted life expectancy. And that's great, because that longer life is needed to survive the long wait lists for access to healthcare. We can play this game over and over again. I don't care what you do in Canada, but apparently what Trump and the Americans do matters a lot to some Canadians. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: And that's great, because that longer life is needed to survive the long wait lists for access to healthcare. We can play this game over and over again. I don't care what you do in Canada, but apparently what Trump and the Americans do matters a lot to some Canadians. Touchy. The fact you are here puts the lie to that. 1 Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ?Impact said: If you have cystic fibrosis in the US, you will die 10 years earlier than if you are in Canada. You want health insurance for young healthy people only? What is that, an insurance company skimming profits as the middleman. That is not health insurance, that is just a broker taking a cut. So what ? Cancer outcomes are better in the U.S. compared to Canada. https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/articles/concord-2.htm I want health insurance to be priced and capitated like any other insurance product based on risk and costs. If the government wants to underwrite all health insurance, then go for it and see what happens. Edited March 14, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wilber said: Touchy. The fact you are here puts the lie to that. Here is the United States...and yet another topic about the United States. Canada is quite boring in comparison. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) The nine countries that did better than Canada must have really shitty systems compared to the US. What a minute, they all have public funded systems, as do all the other countries that rank higher than the US. Edited March 14, 2017 by Wilber 1 Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
?Impact Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Cancer outcomes are better in the U.S. compared to Canada. Not if you're a child, same cite. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Not if you're a child, same cite. There's more to the world than just children, and Canada lags for their cancer outcomes. That's what "free health care" gets you. President Trump recognizes that health care is a market, not a social welfare circus. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Wilber said: The nine countries that did better than Canada must have really shitty systems compared to the US. What a minute, they all have public funded systems, as do all the other countries that rank higher than the US. Canada excels at nothing when it comes to health care...the U.S. excels at several benchmarks. Please see older threads if you want to rehash the health care squabbles of old. I am sensitive to the fact that free health care is near and dear to the heart and identity of many Canadians. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
?Impact Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Cancer outcomes are better in the U.S. compared to Canada. Just checked the Canadian Cancer Society numbers for 2006-2008, and the five year outcomes are higher than all the statistics the CDC is quoting except for lung cancer. Edited March 14, 2017 by ?Impact 1 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 28 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Just checked the Canadian Cancer Society numbers for 2006-2008, and the five year outcomes are higher than all the statistics the CDC is quoting except for lung cancer. That's great...start another "our health care is better" thread. Like me, President Trump probably doesn't give a damn about that either. It's about the money....it's always about the money. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 Yup, it's called moneycare in the US of A. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Wilber said: Yup, it's called moneycare in the US of A. Sure is....and that's fine by me....a very libertarian concept. More monied and non-monied Canadians cross the border for "moneycare" each year than Americans going to Canada....and the U.S. has ten times the population. President Trump represents that reality. Edited March 14, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: President Trump represents that reality. Of course he does. He also knows that Americans don't understand it, and so he lied and told people they would get a better and cheaper system. The sole Trump supporters in my feed are some American acquaintances that are eking out a minimum wage life. Very sad to see their posts anticipating better care for their needs (inhaler) over the past few weeks. Few things are as American as a poor rube being taken by a slick huckster. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Topaz Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 Trump is suppose give evidence that Trump Tower was wiretapped but that will probably be hard to do because there's a very good chance it wasn't the US that did it , it was the British, as a favour to Obama and the internet wiretapping can't be detected. http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/03/14/napolitano-why-there-may-never-be-proof-even-if-obama-spied-trump?section=10368 Quote
Wilber Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, Topaz said: Trump is suppose give evidence that Trump Tower was wiretapped but that will probably be hard to do because there's a very good chance it wasn't the US that did it , it was the British, as a favour to Obama and the internet wiretapping can't be detected. http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/03/14/napolitano-why-there-may-never-be-proof-even-if-obama-spied-trump?section=10368 So you are saying he has no evidence. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Topaz Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Wilber said: So you are saying he has no evidence. My understanding is that the Obama gang requested twice for permission to wiretap, the first time was a no and the second was a yes. The first time I state on here that the British did it for them and so they were wiretapped but they can't prove it UNLESS someone at the NSA gives them the proof or they can get it from the British and I don't think they will get it from the British because they appear to not like Trump. The truth, what ever it is, must to brought out. IF the US listened on Germany's President, why wouldn't they listen in on Trump on October because he was leading in the polls. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I don't care what you do in Canada, but apparently what Trump and the Americans do matters a lot to some Canadians. That's because we have a bunch of morons who'd like to make our system more like yours. 2 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 44 minutes ago, Topaz said: My understanding is that the Obama gang requested twice for permission to wiretap, the first time was a no and the second was a yes. The first time I state on here that the British did it for them and so they were wiretapped but they can't prove it UNLESS someone at the NSA gives them the proof or they can get it from the British and I don't think they will get it from the British because they appear to not like Trump. The truth, what ever it is, must to brought out. IF the US listened on Germany's President, why wouldn't they listen in on Trump on October because he was leading in the polls. So he has evidence the British did something? I mean actual evidence, not bullshit made up to distract from the real fact. The fact he has no evidence. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 20 minutes ago, eyeball said: That's because we have a bunch of morons who'd like to make our system more like yours. We do have one similarity, a bunch of vested interests that resist any attempts to improve our system which is not perfect. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 2 hours ago, eyeball said: That's because we have a bunch of morons who'd like to make our system more like yours. Yes....Canada's never ending burden to constantly worry about what the Americans will do...regardless of Trump. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted March 14, 2017 Report Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Wilber said: We do have one similarity, a bunch of vested interests that resist any attempts to improve our system which is not perfect. It's not the vested interests in Canada. It's the lazy, cowardly governments who don't want to weather the short-term problems in order to bring about real change. In the US, yes, it's the vested interests, bribing government. Edited March 14, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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