?Impact Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 Remember that Trump had a computer that was communicating with the Russians, that was a well known fact during the election. It was known because of the DNS lookups from that computer, so obviously someone might be interested in a warrant to find out what data was being exchanged. There is nothing new there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 12 hours ago, Derek 2.0 said: If Trump Tower was bugged, they likely are the ones who did it. Then either there will be record of a warrant or what the FBI was doing was illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 No time for Russia when one is laundering money for the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 17 hours ago, taxme said: Breibart or Infowars is a lot better to listen too then reading the Washington compost or the Huff Puff Post. Are those two incredible rags is where you are getting your facts wrong? The fact the Washington Post doesn't tell outright lies like Brietbart and Infowars doesn't matter, I take it. Plus it has almost nothing about the space aliens from Neptune who control our banking system or the risen Pharaohs of Egypt who live in our subway systems. SHAME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 6 hours ago, Topaz said: There's no doubt in my mind that Trump has been a target from Obama/Barry and the Clintons, along with Soros. Trump's info about the wire tapping came from someone in the FBI and now 3 other people have come out with said so over the weekend. Trump's 'info' on wiretapping came from Allan Levin, who is a loud mouthed hyperconservative alt-reality talk show host. And nothing and no one backs his assertions up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Argus said: Trump's 'info' on wiretapping came from Allan Levin, who is a loud mouthed hyperconservative alt-reality talk show host. And nothing and no one backs his assertions up. No, it wasn't it was someone within the military that got an e-mail by mistake, and BTW, back in 2013-14 Obama brought in "going dark" which the gov't could wiretap and show no evidence of it through computer companies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 54 minutes ago, Topaz said: No, it wasn't it was someone within the military that got an e-mail by mistake, and BTW, back in 2013-14 Obama brought in "going dark" which the gov't could wiretap and show no evidence of it through computer companies. Nonsense to both of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 7 hours ago, Wilber said: Then either there will be record of a warrant or what the FBI was doing was illegal. Not necessarily. If the then US administration determined it a threat to national security, through US code, the President is able (through the Attorney General) to obtain foreign intelligence information for up to one year sans a warrant. Now the intent is not to obtain information on a US citizen, mistakes do happen of course, but information pertaining to foreign nationals or US citizens working for a foreign government (a spy). So if the Obama administration "believed" someone in the Trump campaign were a Russian spy, intercepting communications from Trump Tower, absent a warrant, is legal.......the only difficulty, if found said "spy" were a US citizen, would be obtaining a court order based on said information in hopes of prosecuting said "spy".......unless said information was obtained from a US ally with whom they have an intelligence sharing agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 6 hours ago, Argus said: The fact the Washington Post doesn't tell outright lies like Brietbart and Infowars doesn't matter, I take it. Plus it has almost nothing about the space aliens from Neptune who control our banking system or the risen Pharaohs of Egypt who live in our subway systems. SHAME! Speaking of the Washington Post, if there were no wiretaps, how did the FBI get conversations of Michael Flynn and the Russian Ambassador? Probably not space aliens from Neptune..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 34 minutes ago, Argus said: Nonsense to both of those. Here's your nonsense https://www.rt.com/usa/obama-internet-wiretap-surveillance-009/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 37 minutes ago, Argus said: Nonsense to both of those. Is it though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 8 hours ago, ?Impact said: that was a well known fact during the election. If it were a well known fact, why wasn't the Obama administration able to obtain a warrant not once, but twice from a FISA court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 On 3/5/2017 at 5:13 PM, Wilber said: Do you understand the function of an ambassador? They are called upon all the time to explain their country's position to heads of government, or to hear complaints against their country. The issue here is what may have gone on with the Russians before the election. Maybe dumbocrats understand that. So, as a Canadian, I don't give a dam about this Russian nonsense. Why do you? Is Trump affecting your life in some way? Is this bunch of bs ever going to end with these dumbocrat liberal losers? I personally don't believe that the dumbocrats ever understand anything except maybe to know how to constantly make complete idiots of themselves all the time. Instead of allowing Trump to do his job, and get on with draining the swamp, they keep making things difficult for him. It just could be that they are the swamp, and do not want to give Trump a chance to clean them out of Washington corrupt politics forever. Hey, you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 On 3/5/2017 at 8:31 PM, Derek 2.0 said: The fact nobody seems to know.........Remember when James Clapper swore up and down that the NSA didn't collect and store surveillance data on the American public, only to then be forced to walk back his entire statement thanks to Edward Snowden? Simply put, since the Reagan administration, the POTUS/Federal Government is lawfully able to conduct surveillance, without a warrant, on anyone his government so deems a National Security risk.........of course, the President isn't the one that issues such orders, that is left to the purview of the Attorney General.....hence the statement from an Obama adviser that stated Obama never issued an order is very likely true......as he wouldn't be required to. And on one of the fake news American TV channels today Clapper denied that there was any wire tapping done at all against Trump. He said that if there were he would have been informed about it. Well, if he lied about the NSA surveillance on the American public where Snowden called him out on his lie, why would he not just lie again and say that there was no wire tapping done against Trump? That swamp really does need a good cleaning out because it appears to be full of liars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, taxme said: Instead of allowing Trump to do his job, and get on with draining the swamp, they keep making things difficult for him. I think when Trump's new Housing and Urban Development (HUD) secretary compares slaves to immigrants we don't have to worry about Trump draining the swamp - we have to worry what he is filling it with. Carson said that the Africans captured, sold and transported to America against their will had the same hopes and dreams as early immigrants. “That's what America is about. A land of dreams and opportunity. There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less, but they, too, had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.” Edited March 7, 2017 by ?Impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 .The "going dark" internet wiretap, were they can listen in through the internet and not leave any evidence makes any government dangerous and problem corrupt of doing illegal actions and they could have used it on Trump campaign we no one would ever know, unless someone in the NSA came forward and then they would have their life in danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 12 hours ago, Derek 2.0 said: Speaking of the Washington Post, if there were no wiretaps, how did the FBI get conversations of Michael Flynn and the Russian Ambassador? Probably not space aliens from Neptune..... Uh, by monitoring the Russian ambassador? Nobody said people who aren't US citizens aren't being monitored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 16 hours ago, Derek 2.0 said: Speaking of the Washington Post, if there were no wiretaps, how did the FBI get conversations of Michael Flynn and the Russian Ambassador? Probably not space aliens from Neptune..... All calls to and from the Russian embassy, and probably every other major foreign embassy, is monitored and recorded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Argus said: All calls to and from the Russian embassy, and probably every other major foreign embassy, is monitored and recorded. Wire-tapped, as it were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 16 hours ago, Topaz said: Here's your nonsense https://www.rt.com/usa/obama-internet-wiretap-surveillance-009/ Thank you for providing me with more nonsense, and admitting it is nonsense. Certainly it would be nonsense to believe Russian TV about what Obama did or didn't do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 6 hours ago, Topaz said: .The "going dark" internet wiretap, were they can listen in through the internet and not leave any evidence makes any government dangerous and problem corrupt of doing illegal actions and they could have used it on Trump campaign we no one would ever know, unless someone in the NSA came forward and then they would have their life in danger. Even your cite from RT said they'd changed that, and that any eavesdropping would still require a warrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Wire-tapped, as it were. And legitimately and legally so. And if the FBI tapped into Trump tower because they had a warrant about the communications with foreign agents and banks, that's legitimate and legal, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Argus said: Even your cite from RT said they'd changed that, and that any eavesdropping would still require a warrant. Well we know the Russians are the experts in hacking and fabricating fake news, so RT should know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Argus said: And legitimately and legally so. And if the FBI tapped into Trump tower because they had a warrant about the communications with foreign agents and banks, that's legitimate and legal, too. Don't really care. More pathetic efforts by the Democrats to install their Queen months after the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Well, we have the new TrumpCare. It gives massive tax credits to the rich, and takes away health care from the poor and sick. Thank you Donald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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