Omni Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, betsy said: So what? He isn't even Prez yet.. Talk later.....after his first term. Oh yes, I'm sure there will be lots to talk about and well before he gets to the end of his first term, assuming he makes it that far. You've heard of "emoluments" I assume? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 On 1/10/2017 at 6:34 PM, kimmy said: America under President Trump: -an Attorney General who hates civil rights -an Education Secretary who hates public schools -a Treasury Secretary from Goldman Sachs who hates finance regulations -an Environment Secretary who hates environmental protection -a Health and Human Services Secretary who hates Medicare -a Housing and Urban Development Secretary who thinks the Great Pyramids are giant granaries -a Secretary of State who is an oilman with vested interest in Russian and Middle East oil -a Labor Secretary who hates workers Let's check back on the confirmation hearings, with Education nominee who hates public schools, Betsy DeVos. If Rex Tillerson's hearing was the Titanic, then DeVos might have been the Hindenburg! Aside from the knee-slapper that made headlines-- that DeVos supports guns in schools in case of grizzly-bear attack-- more trouble for DeVos arose. -weak non-committal answers on everything from funding of public schools to campus sexual assault to regulation of charter schools to tuition and student loans. (she knew someone who had a Pell Grant, once!) -questioning from Senators Franken, Hassan, Warren, and Kaine revealed that she doesn't actually know anything about education laws and issues. -given some softball questions about anti-gay discrimination, she promised that she feels all students are equal! Which led to questions about why as a board member of her family's charity, The Erik and Elsa Prince Foundation, DeVos has donated millions of dollars to anti-gay groups. DeVos denied that she's a board member of the Prince Foundation, said that she personally has nothing to do with those donations, and asked that she not be held personally responsible for the foundation's charitable donations. Except that the Prince Foundation's tax filings have show that she is the Vice President. DeVos claims that's just a clerical error, but the foundations tax filings have listed her as VP going back to at least 1999. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Donald Trump endorsed Gov. Mitt Romney in 2012, but Romney failed to win the election against President Obama. More evidence of the old adage, "if you want something done right, do it yourself": President Trump will be inaugurated on Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 13 hours ago, segnosaur said: Actually, some of the sites he has listed are not just "silly blog sites"... some of them are actually spout racist neo-nazi idology. Let that sink in for a minute...perhaps one of the most vocal Trump supporters here reads neo-nazi material, and not just in a curiosity "what are they doing" sort of way... he actually considers them a valid source of information. I think that says huge things about Trump's political movement right there, first of all that someone supporting neo-nazis would find Trump such a compelling figure deserving of support, and secondly, that other Trump supporters here would look at someone like him and rather than condemn him as someone to be shunned or marginalized, actually embrace him. (In fact, bushcheney actually praised him in another thread. So just where or how are those websites I mentioned supposedly spreading neo-nazi material? Go ahead make your day. I anxiously await your reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 3 hours ago, kimmy said: Let's check back on the confirmation hearings, with Education nominee who hates public schools, Betsy DeVos. If Rex Tillerson's hearing was the Titanic, then DeVos might have been the Hindenburg! Aside from the knee-slapper that made headlines-- that DeVos supports guns in schools in case of grizzly-bear attack-- more trouble for DeVos arose. -weak non-committal answers on everything from funding of public schools to campus sexual assault to regulation of charter schools to tuition and student loans. (she knew someone who had a Pell Grant, once!) -questioning from Senators Franken, Hassan, Warren, and Kaine revealed that she doesn't actually know anything about education laws and issues. -given some softball questions about anti-gay discrimination, she promised that she feels all students are equal! Which led to questions about why as a board member of her family's charity, The Erik and Elsa Prince Foundation, DeVos has donated millions of dollars to anti-gay groups. DeVos denied that she's a board member of the Prince Foundation, said that she personally has nothing to do with those donations, and asked that she not be held personally responsible for the foundation's charitable donations. Except that the Prince Foundation's tax filings have show that she is the Vice President. DeVos claims that's just a clerical error, but the foundations tax filings have listed her as VP going back to at least 1999. -k Just two more days to go before the inauguration, and then all the communist nonsense will hopefully be a thing of the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 6 hours ago, Argus said: Like uhm... you? More like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 5 hours ago, eyeball said: Is it just me or is it getting altogether to easy to appear moderate and balanced around here these days? Common sense and logic appear to be missing a lot around here. Too much emotionalism, and foolish politically correct talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Trump; "Media is not honest against me and Twitter is the only way I can resist against them." Welcome to our World, Trump. Soon you will be blamed of restricting media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 9 hours ago, Omni said: Oh yes, I'm sure there will be lots to talk about and well before he gets to the end of his first term, assuming he makes it that far. You've heard of "emoluments" I assume? And? What about emoluments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 One thing u guys should know that post I posted about Roger Stone being poisoned, its true, and Saint John Hunt, E Gordon Hunt, son is friends with him and he was surprised he made it public because he has had many death threats, like Trump and members of his family. Apparently, knows Stone who did it and Trump is very angry and just wait until Trump get to the White House. Stone, had eaten out two nights before he got sick and they think that where it happen. Now how many regular Joes in the US has polouim (sp?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2017 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2017 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 16 hours ago, betsy said: It's okay. Many job openings will be available from the private sector. At minimum wage with no benefits... oh wait, the new labor secretary opposes having a minimum wage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Obama is only 55 years old. What stops him from running for Senate in two years time and from there oppose Trump? I mean other than the usual "can't be bothered". Why is it considered so that leaving office as President you are supposed to retire from politics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 56 minutes ago, Argus said: At minimum wage with no benefits... oh wait, the new labor secretary opposes having a minimum wage... But at least they'll have the wonderful health care system proposed by Trump and the Republicans. You know, the one they can't be bothered to tell us about because it really does exist and is just so great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Topaz said: One thing u guys should know that post I posted about Roger Stone being poisoned, its true, and Saint John Hunt, E Gordon Hunt, son is friends with him and he was surprised he made it public because he has had many death threats, like Trump and members of his family. Apparently, knows Stone who did it and Trump is very angry and just wait until Trump get to the White House. Stone, had eaten out two nights before he got sick and they think that where it happen. Now how many regular Joes in the US has polouim (sp?) Ok, let me get this straight... Roger Stone, a guy who likes to appear on Infowars (a site pushing all sorts of bogus conspiracy theories like 9/11 being an inside job) claims he was poisoned (even though he has provided no evidence from reputable medical sources) by something "like" Pollonium (even though if he were really tested for poisoning they'd probably know what it was), in some sort of attempt to keep him from revealing something important (which, if he actually did have something important to say, would have had plenty of time from when he got sick until he might have 'died' to reveal the evidence), by assassins so incompetent they couldn't finish the job properly. And all this just happened right before he released a new book (which would probably sell more copies if the author was somehow in moral danger). And you actually consider all that credible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 5 hours ago, cybercoma said: You mean like 538 which gave him a roughly 1 in 4 chance? He lost the popular vote and that's what pollsters analyze. You constantly slag on the polls, but have no idea what they actually meant. A few hundred votes in the other direction and he wouldn't be president right now. The polls were accurate; you just don't understand them. Yup, pro-trump supporters like to point to "the polls" as somehow Trump is wildly popular and the mainstream media is wrong. The fact is, on average the polls immediately before the election had Hilary up by ~3%. On election day, Hillary ended up winning the popular vote by ~2%. So, the polls here were within 1% of the final result, well within the margin of error. Pretty darn good if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Argus said: At minimum wage with no benefits... oh wait, the new labor secretary opposes having a minimum wage... Tell them - welcome to the real world! If they can get away with less, that means they're over-staffed. Union benefits are out of control! Why would you pay - under Unionized conditions - staff you don't really need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 14 hours ago, nicko21expression said: This is clear a result of the fear mongering from the left and right. First of all, keep in mind that its not just those on the political left that are worried about Trump. Many moderates and even some that are on the political right also have concerns about him. Secondly, keep in mind that most of the 'fears' over what Trump will do are based on his actual statements, election promises and actions. We worry that there will be a mutually destructive trade war because Trump said he was going to end trade agreements. We worry that the deficit will be greatly increased because Trump has promised both tax cuts and spending increases. We worry that civil rights and abortion rights will be rolled back, because that's exactly what Trump promised to do in the election. We worry about an increase in racism in the country because Trump himself is a bigot (as illustrated by his words and actions) and has surrounded himself with a collection of racists. Its hardly fear-mongering if its based on something a person actually promises to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 8 hours ago, betsy said: And? What about emoluments? Due to his foreign business ownerships he will be in of the US Constitution the moment he is signed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 I am interested to see Trump's foreign policies and in particular how he addresses issues in Middle East Whether he addresses the source of all the problems militarily and root out the cancer cells or like Obama he sleeps with the enemy. Remains to be seen if he is all talks or a man of action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Omni said: Due to his foreign business ownerships he will be in of the US Constitution the moment he is signed in. Eh? Your statement doesn't make any sense! Care to explain that....... Edited January 19, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: I am interested to see Trump's foreign policies and in particular how he addresses issues in Middle East Whether he addresses the source of all the problems militarily and root out the cancer cells or like Obama he sleeps with the enemy. Remains to be seen if he is all talks or a man of action. One thing for certain - he'll be Israel's staunch ally! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 Just now, betsy said: Eh? Your statement doesn't make any sense! Care to explain that? It would make sense if you knew what the emoluments portion speaks of. Basically if some official in Chima checked into a Trump hotel Trump corp. is making money illegally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Omni said: It would make sense if you knew what the emoluments portion speaks of. Basically if some official in Chima checked into a Trump hotel Trump corp. is making money illegally. I think part of the problem is that your previous statement was missing a word: Due to his foreign business ownerships he will be in violation of the US Constitution the moment he is signed in. The highlighted word is one that I think you left out. (I assume that was one that you meant to say.) As for officials checking into Trump hotels, he did say he would give any money earned from his hotels to the government. The problem is, there are so many secondary ways he would benefit... for example, foreign countries approving building permits in order to gain favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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