?Impact Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Making America Great Again - 140 characters at a time Latest tweet from the twit: General Motors is sending Mexican made model of Chevy Cruze to U.S. car dealers-tax free across border. Make in U.S.A.or pay big border tax! 7:30 AM - 3 Jan 2017 I guess he has already cancelled NAFTA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) Ford cancels plans for auto plant in Mexico....jumps on the Trump train. Next stop...close what's left of the Ford plants in Canada ! Edited January 3, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 22 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Making America Great Again - 140 characters at a time Latest tweet from the twit: General Motors is sending Mexican made model of Chevy Cruze to U.S. car dealers-tax free across border. Make in U.S.A.or pay big border tax! 7:30 AM - 3 Jan 2017 GM stock fell shortly afterward. GM's stock falls after Trump tweet on Mexico production ... and Ford Motors announced big changes to their plans, in a vote of confidence for president Donald Trump. That's a lot of influence for a mere 140 characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, ?Impact said: Making America Great Again - 140 characters at a time Latest tweet from the twit: General Motors is sending Mexican made model of Chevy Cruze to U.S. car dealers-tax free across border. Make in U.S.A.or pay big border tax! 7:30 AM - 3 Jan 2017 I guess he has already cancelled NAFTA. Just a twit, imagine that. That's all Trump needs I suppose! Quote House GOP reverses course on gutting ethics office after Trump takes a whack at them "With all that Congress has to work on, do they really have to make the weakening of the Independent Ethics Watchdog, as unfair as it may be, their number one act and priority," Trump posted in two tweets. "Focus on tax reform, healthcare and so many other things of far greater importance! #DTS" http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tweets-house-republicans-ethics-office-gutting-2017-1 Quote Ford cancels $1.6 billion Mexico plant amid Trump criticism Ford Motor said Tuesday it will cancel a planned $1.6 billion factory in Mexico and invest $700 million at a Michigan factory after President-elect Donald Trump had harshly criticized the Mexico investment plan. The second-largest U.S. automaker said it would build new electric, hybrid and autonomous vehicles at the Flat Rock, Michigan plant and add 700 jobs. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ford-cancels-dollar16-billion-mexico-plant-amid-trump-criticism/ar-BBxQZmV?li=BBnbcA1 And that's just from a twit! Well.....tree-huggers should look at the bright side. It's a good way to save trees Edited January 4, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 13 hours ago, ?Impact said: Making America Great Again - 140 characters at a time Latest tweet from the twit: General Motors is sending Mexican made model of Chevy Cruze to U.S. car dealers-tax free across border. Make in U.S.A.or pay big border tax! 7:30 AM - 3 Jan 2017 I guess he has already cancelled NAFTA. It would've been nice if Obama had taken to twitter. You couldn't tell too many lies with 140 characters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) On 02/01/2017 at 0:52 PM, sharkman said: The Clintons are being investigated currently. They've crossed the IRS, and 12 months down the road they may have a surprise. And of course the the FBI may have something too. If it's wrong for the Russians to hack secure DNC computers, then it's wrong for high level American officials to have unsecured servers. Is it wrong for a candidate to collude with a foreign government to hack his own government? Do you think that's more wrong than having a private server? Would you consider that treason? And if you don't want to believe he did, why, during the debate, would he try to blame China or a 400pound guy in his basement---anybody but Russia? If he wasn't involved with Russia, why would he insist on defending them? Edited January 4, 2017 by BubberMiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 I wonder how GM shareholders feel about the orange wonderchief sinking their stock value by tweeting falsehoods about their company? I'm sure Trump's Canadian fans will continue cheering along when he turns his attention to Ontario-made automobiles entering the US. Good opportunity to buy housing in Windsor! -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, kimmy said: I wonder how GM shareholders feel about the orange wonderchief sinking their stock value by tweeting falsehoods about their company? Who knows. Maybe, happy? Stocks went up! http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/gm Edited January 4, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, kimmy said: I wonder how GM shareholders feel about the orange wonderchief sinking their stock value by tweeting falsehoods about their company? I'm sure Trump's Canadian fans will continue cheering along when he turns his attention to Ontario-made automobiles entering the US. Good opportunity to buy housing in Windsor! -k Some fans don't cheer simply for the economy! For some fans, the economy is the least of their concern. They're looking at the bigger picture down the road. One thing though - fans of Trump couldn't help but cheer a President who puts his own citizens' best interest first - and foremost! If he's starting a global trend and it catches on - like, doing as he promised - we're headed for something good! Hopefully we'll feel that kind of love from the next PM. Edited January 4, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, BubberMiley said: Is it wrong for a candidate to collude with a foreign government to hack his own government? Do you think that's more wrong than having a private server? Would you consider that treason? And if you don't want to believe he did, why, during the debate, would he try to blame China or a 400pound guy in his basement---anybody but Russia? If he wasn't involved with Russia, why would he insist on defending them? There was no collusion with the Russian government to hack the USA government. According to Assange: Quote Assange To Hannity: Source For WikiLeaks Was Not Russian Government In an exclusive interview with FOX News Channel's Sean Hannity the founder of WikiLeaks Julian Assange said Russia was not the source for the DNC and John Podesta hacks. ASSANGE: Our publications had wide uptake by the American people, they're all true. But that's not the allegation that’s being presented by the Obama White House. So, why such a dramatic response? Well, the reason is obvious. They’re trying to delegitimize the Trump administration as it goes into the White House. They are trying to say that President-elect Trump is not a legitimate President... ASSANGE: Our source is not a state party, so the answer for our interactions is no. But if we look at our most recent statement from the US government, which is on the 29th of December, OK, we had five different branches of government, Treasury, DHS, FBI, White House presenting their accusations to underpin Obama’s throwing out 29 Russian diplomats. What was missing from all of those statements? The word WikiLeaks. It’s very strange. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/01/02/assange_to_hannity_our_source_was_not_the_russian_government.html Assange should know where his sources came from. His business is about his credibility. If Assange does not have the credibility - Wikileaks would be dead! Edited January 4, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, betsy said: Assange should know where his sources came from. His business is about his credibility. If Assange does not have the credibility - Wikileaks would be dead! Assange is very cosy with Putin as well. If Trump wasn't in cahoots with Putin, Trump wouldn't have refused to accept the possibility that Putin was involved. He would have been willing to look at the evidence and then said he disapproved of Russia's involvement. His attempts to blame it on anybody but Russia are essentially proof of his involvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailman Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) ^Ease up on the anti-Trump/Putin/Russia agenda. Would it hurt anyone, for once, to have better US-Russia relations rather than constant threats and finger pointing? Not to mention, how could a foreign intelligence influence the outcome of the US elections when millions of voters put Trump in office? The fact is, the Democrats ran a terrible campaign and didn't listen to the people. They chose Hilary when she wasn't the people's choice, and on top of that, they ignored what the people were asking for. It's really not that difficult to figure this stuff out. Edited January 4, 2017 by Mailman typos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mailman said: Would it hurt anyone, for once, to have better US-Russia relations rather than constant threats and finger pointing? I don't think bending over and allowing Russia to do whatever it wants now is the best strategy to avoiding conflict in the future. I agree the Hillary and the Democrats could have run a better campaign, but installing a puppet as president is also not what the people want. They were just too stupid to realize what they were doing when they did it, and some are still a little too thick to realize what happened even now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 hour ago, betsy said: Assange should know where his sources came from. His business is about his credibility. If Assange does not have the credibility - Wikileaks would be dead! Assange may know his sources, but that doesn't mean his sources are the hackers or just middlemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 16 minutes ago, Mailman said: ^Ease up on the anti-Trump/Putin/Russia agenda. Would it hurt anyone, for once, to have better US-Russia relations rather than constant threats and finger pointing? Ease up on the anti-Chamberlain/Hitler/German agenda. Would it hurt anyone, for once, to have better British-German relations rather than constant threats and finger pointing? Hey, Hitler isn't such a bad guy, and the Germans just want to be our friends! Just ignore what they're doing! It's not important anyway! Eventually they'll stop! Probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailman Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Argus said: Ease up on the anti-Chamberlain/Hitler/German agenda. Would it hurt anyone, for once, to have better British-German relations rather than constant threats and finger pointing? Hey, Hitler isn't such a bad guy, and the Germans just want to be our friends! Just ignore what they're doing! It's not important anyway! Eventually they'll stop! Probably. Not sure where you're pulling that out of but you're clearly looking for a reaction. Keep trying. The West is already so anti-Russian that they are willing to tell people the Russkies are controlling us. We all waited during the Cold War for the nukes to come and yet we are still here. Why not take a different approach to things this time? And don't forget; when Snowden revealed the fact that the US is spying on everyone, including political leaders (surprise surprise), no one starts imposing sanctions on the US. But hey, call it whatever you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mailman said: Not sure where you're pulling that out of but you're clearly looking for a reaction. Keep trying. I'm pulling it from the western historical memory that appeasing ambitious dictators does not work. You don't 'be nice' to a Hitler or a Putin. They simply take it as weakness and push harder. They keep pushing until someone stands up to them. 4 minutes ago, Mailman said: The West is already so anti-Russian that they are willing to tell people the Russkies are controlling us. You leave out the question of WHY. What was the origin of this 'anti-Russian' mentality in the West? Why do you think the Swedes are dusting off their bomb shelters and re-introducing conscription to build up their army and reserves again? It couldn't be because of, well, aggressive Russian behaviour, could it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailman Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 46 minutes ago, Argus said: I'm pulling it from the western historical memory that appeasing ambitious dictators does not work. You don't 'be nice' to a Hitler or a Putin. They simply take it as weakness and push harder. They keep pushing until someone stands up to them. You leave out the question of WHY. What was the origin of this 'anti-Russian' mentality in the West? Why do you think the Swedes are dusting off their bomb shelters and re-introducing conscription to build up their army and reserves again? It couldn't be because of, well, aggressive Russian behaviour, could it? Memory refresh; a huge chunk of dictators, especially in the Middle East were put in place and supported by Western powers. When they are no longer needed or suit our purpose, we dispose of them. An exception is Russia. So because they don't or won't cater to our needs, we see them as a threat. Ironic, isn't it? Now, since when is it the US or the West's job to protect the world? Better yet, why is it? The EU has plenty of power to stand up to Russia if need be. We are in different times compared to the old days. Heck, Turkey and Russia were in cahoots when the plane was shot down and that went away pretty quick. Now they are even buddies! Without anyone else getting involved. Imagine that. Like I said, if we remain in the old days and keep drinking the kool-aid, we won't fare any better. Sadly, it's always us vs them when it doesn't have to be. But when you live in an imperialistic world where everyone wants to beat their chest and claim to be number one, misery happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 hour ago, ?Impact said: Assange may know his sources, but that doesn't mean his sources are the hackers or just middlemen. Wikileaks has stated they received the emails from sources within the DNC....... 2 hours ago, BubberMiley said: Assange is very cosy with Putin as well. If Trump wasn't in cahoots with Putin, Trump wouldn't have refused to accept the possibility that Putin was involved. He would have been willing to look at the evidence and then said he disapproved of Russia's involvement. His attempts to blame it on anybody but Russia are essentially proof of his involvement. The Putin conspiracy theorists have yet to square the circle as to why Putin, on paper, would want a Trump administration..........a Trump administration that will further buildup the US Military, is calling out the majority of NATO members on their own defense spending and most important of all, is pro-energy development.......which will without a doubt lower the world prices of oil and gas.....which will have a further negative impact on the Russian economy (and bank accounts of the Russian oligarchy). So why does Putin want a stronger and energy independent United States? Until there is a motive, "the Russians did it" lacks the same foundation of 9/11 false flags and the faked Moon landings......... 1 hour ago, Mailman said: Would it hurt anyone, for once, to have better US-Russia relations rather than constant threats and finger pointing? I've no doubt there will be an attempt at improved relations between the two, based on common ground, namely radical Islam and China........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Argus said: I'm pulling it from the western historical memory that appeasing ambitious dictators does not work. It doesn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said: So why does Putin want a stronger and energy independent United States? What Trump has said he is going to do before the election has largely not been what he is saying he's going to do after the election. You will find he acts in Russia's interests in all cases once he takes power, and then you will have to find some other reason to ignore the reality that is staring you in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, BubberMiley said: What Trump has said he is going to do before the election has largely not been what he is saying he's going to do after the election. You will find he acts in Russia's interests in all cases once he takes power, and then you will have to find some other reason to ignore the reality that is staring you in the face. How is Trump going to act in Russia's interest(s)? Further weaken their Petro-based currency and outspend and invest in the World's most powerful military? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailman Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Jesus christ. People are acting like Trump trying to have better (or at least netural) ties with Russia means the end of the US/North America. Like we are going to start listening to Russian music, eat Russian food, watch Russian shows on cable tv, Russian school curriculum, etc. As if Russia is going to invade and take over the US and we all have to speak Russian. Warmongering at its finest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 hours ago, BubberMiley said: Assange is very cosy with Putin as well. If Trump wasn't in cahoots with Putin, Trump wouldn't have refused to accept the possibility that Putin was involved. He would have been willing to look at the evidence and then said he disapproved of Russia's involvement. His attempts to blame it on anybody but Russia are essentially proof of his involvement. Trump is being very diplomatic. He's being sensible about this. If there is no clear evidence, why would you antagonize another nation? Especially when that nation could be another powerful ally against terrorism! Obama has enmity with Putin, and it seems Obama's easily swayed by his emotions. Obama is being trolled by Trump (thus he's always praising Putin), and Putin likewise trolls Obama! He's pathetic! All you have to do is compare how Obama reacted to China! Quote Obama threatens sanctions against China over cyber hacking The White House's concerns over China's cyberattacks in the U.S. had caused particular strain ahead of Xi's visit. Mr. Obama has faced calls from some Republican presidential candidates to scale back the grandeur of Xi's visit, which included an Oval Office meeting, the joint news conference and a black-tie dinner. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-threatens-sanctions-against-china-over-cyber-hacking/ Did he throw out Chinese diplomats? Before you throw Russian diplomats out of the country (giving them only 72 hours to pack up and leave)......it's only prudent to wait until you have all the details! The report hasn't even been finalized! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said: How is Trump going to act in Russia's interest(s)? Further weaken their Petro-based currency and outspend and invest in the World's most powerful military? He will likely remove the sanctions that Obama put in place. I doubt he will further weaken their petro-based currency and if he invests further in the military, he will make sure it supports Putin's agenda. What else would you expect from a puppet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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