Zionism's influence over Western politics

[taxme]

I have repeated the answer many times. Don't pretend you don't understand the issue that you use the pretext of criticizing Israeli state policies to in fact spew out anti semitic insults against any Jew who believes they have the right to live in a Jewish state of Israel or disagrees with your opinions.

Your deliberately slur Jews, assign Jews false beliefs and characteristics that are negative and insulting and try to pose Zionism and Judaism as inter-connected. You know nothing of Zionism or Judaism. Each time you comment on either you reduce to uttering false anti semitic stereotypes. Your responses are hateful drivel designed to bait and insult Jews.

You want to pose as someone innocent simply criticizing Judaism-I say bull sheeyat. I call your words out as hateful anti semitic sputum with not a shred of logic or sense.

Ok, I get it now. What you are really trying to convey to me and others here is that no one dare question or criticize anything that has to do with Judaism/Israel/zionism. And if they do they will be immediately labelled antisemitic and one who hates Jews. So, I guess that I should keep my criticism for white people only? They don't seem to mind being insulted or attacked every day for who they are. They appear to love it. And no Caucasian person or anyone should be allowed to come to their defence if they don't want to get labelled with the "R" word.

Logic and common sense is what I try to live by. Emotionalism and foolishness is what destroys just about every thing decent and moral, and where using common sense and logic these days are treated as a disease. I guess political correctness is up your alley, eh?

[taxme]

Yes as do you-the reason simply put is a hatred of Jews.

No the "hatred of Jews" are words that you like to put into other peoples mouth to try and shut them down. Even if it is a blatant Jewish lie, I think that you would be willing to support that lie anyway, right?

[bush_cheney2004]

Even if it is a blatant Jewish lie, I think that you would be willing to support that lie anyway, right?

No irony here, right ?

[taxme]

No irony here, right ?

Irony?

Edited May 23, 2016 by taxme

[Hudson Jones]

You do not speak for me or any Jew.

I should have said "many Jews". This is not based on speaking for anyone. Many Jews are speaking out on their own behalf. I am just relaying the uncomfortable message to deniers like you. This is based on the increasing voices of Jews, especially young Jews, who are speaking out against Israel's policies (known to Zionists as anti-semitism). This is another reason why Adelson, Saban and other Zionist billionaire/millionaires are throwing so much money into campuses, because they see the increasing number of Jewish critiques of Israel as a threat to the status and the hasbara machine.

Like Ben Berman, Clark University:

During my transition from high school to college, I became very disillusioned the more I learned about the past and current crimes of the State of Israel against the Palestinians and Bedouins.

The narratives of the centuries-long history of anti-Semitism and of the larger conflicts between Israel and several other Middle Eastern states had long kept Israel’s own violations of basic human and Jewish values hidden from me. As I educated myself more about the Zionist project’s ongoing confiscation of Palestinian Arabs’ homes, land and resources, I concluded that even if many early Zionists never intended to commit such structural oppression, Jews today are obligated to stand against injustice — especially when it’s being committed by some of our own.

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Edited May 24, 2016 by Hudson Jones

[eyeball]

You do not speak for me or any Jew.

The way you do should be alarming to Jews everywhere.

[Argus]

I am sure that those people have their reasons for criticizing Israel and zionism like so many other patriots in the world.

Sure. Stupidity, ignorance and bigotry.

[Argus]

Oh yes there was.

No there wasn't. This is a stupid claim. There has never been a country in that region. It was nothing but a province of various empires for eons. The people who lived there had no unique characteristics, no ethnic, linguistic, racial, religious or cultural differences between them and the rest of the Arab world.

[Argus]

Ok, I get it now. What you are really trying to convey to me and others here is that no one dare question or criticize anything that has to do with Judaism/Israel/zionism. And if they do they will be immediately labelled antisemitic and one who hates Jews. So, I guess that I should keep my criticism for white people only? They don't seem to mind being insulted or attacked every day for who they are.

Quit whining. I have no fear of criticizing the behaviour and cultural primitivism of any sort of people, minority or majority, black, white, brown or blue. But I can explain my reasoning. Your problem is you can't. Your fixation on Jews - oh, excuse me, Zionists - has no reasonable excuse or cause other than some ignorant, backward shit you read on the internet and seem to have sucked in like a sponge.

[Argus]

I should have said "many Jews". This is not based on speaking for anyone. Many Jews are speaking out on their own behalf.

So what? Many Jews are crazy. The Haradim, for example, are all nuts. And the desperately progressive Jews are, like others of that political persuasion, not much interested in reality.

[taxme]

Quit whining. I have no fear of criticizing the behaviour and cultural primitivism of any sort of people, minority or majority, black, white, brown or blue. But I can explain my reasoning. Your problem is you can't. Your fixation on Jews - oh, excuse me, Zionists - has no reasonable excuse or cause other than some ignorant, backward shit you read on the internet and seem to have sucked in like a sponge.

And I suppose that all the chit that you like to read and listen too is all up front and keeping you well informed of the real story, eh? Your sources would never lie to you, now would they? For me, your problem is that you won't take the time to listen to the other side of the story, like I do. Aw, they are nothing but a bunch of racists,bigots and anti-Jew rednecks. Those that will only read and listen to one side of the story actually end up knowing nothing at all. They are the ones who are intolerant and are nothing but a bunch of ignorant backwards puppets. Hey, just my opinion, of course.

[taxme]

So what? Many Jews are crazy. The Haradim, for example, are all nuts. And the desperately progressive Jews are, like others of that political persuasion, not much interested in reality.

You are now showing some antisemitic bias here, now aren't you? Looks like you have no love for some Jews also like so many others? But did you ever stop to think that maybe some of the Jews that I criticize and don't like are bad ones also? Nope. Probably never gave that a thought. I guess that it is alright for you to express your bias towards some Jews but for myself and others we dare not, eh?

[Argus]

And I suppose that all the chit that you like to read and listen too is all up front and keeping you well informed of the real story, eh? Your sources would never lie to you, now would they? For me, your problem is that you won't take the time to listen to the other side of the story, like I do.

You think there's anything about this endless posting of alleged outrages by the IDF or settlers is going to enlighten me about anything?

A Jew bumps into an Arab and some anti-Semite is on here breathlessly expressing his indignation and outrage. A Palestinian lurks behind a wall, jumps out and stabs an elderly Jew to death and -- silence.

What you and the others critical of Israel lack is CONTEXT. For a country surrounded by a vastly superior enemy who has resolutely refused any and all peace for decades, who has been attacking them constantly at every opportunity, who express their hate through every medium, the Israelis have come through surprisingly sane and democratic. I mean, given everyone in Israel has lived their whole lives knowing that on every border there is a mass of fanatic hate-gripped murderers waiting for an opportunity to dig their way under or blow their way through, or fly over the fences, just so they can kill a Jew or two, ANY Jew, even if they die trying, absolutely has had an emotional effect. How could it not!? The wonder is there are any Israeli Jews left who don't want to kill every Arab in existence. I don't know when in history any people have been given more reason to hate their neighbors for so long.

I feel sorry for the Palestinians, because their culture too has been affected by this, and they too hate their neighbors with a passion. But they have been the victims, primarily, of the surrounding Arab governments and their cynical political manipulation. Every Jew expelled or driven from Arab countries was taken in by Israel. But the Palestinians who were driven from or left Israel have been left to rot in refugee camps by the surrounding Arab countries, even though generations of them were born there. No peace, has been the insistent phrase from everyone concerned, until Israel is gone and the Jews are dead. Without peace, Israel has been rightly focused on their security. And their security is something no Arab or Muslim leader has ever shown any effort to address, other than Sadat, who was murdered for it, because they don't want Israel secure.

Edited May 26, 2016 by Argus

[DogOnPorch]

Good post, Argus.

The Palestinian Cause is not for anything...freedom...nationalism...etc... so much as being against Jews. If the Arabs got their way and wiped out Israel, the mythical Palestine would never be formed. Bigger boys with bigger toys would simply absorb the whole shootin' match.

[Hudson Jones]

So what? Many Jews are crazy. The Haradim, for example, are all nuts. And the desperately progressive Jews are, like others of that political persuasion, not much interested in reality.

So if a non-Jew criticizes Israel, they are anti-semites and if a Jew criticizes Israel, they are CRAZY JEWS.

I'm here to discuss politics with people who are able to formulate engaging thoughts. I have no patience for low level intellect, bigotry and rude behaviour anymore. You're now on the block/ignore list.

Edited May 27, 2016 by Hudson Jones

[Argus]

So if a non-Jew criticizes Israel, they are anti-semites and if a Jew criticizes Israel, they are CRAZY JEWS.

That is a simplistic and silly interpretation of what I have said, but in keeping with the strawman that complaints of anti-semitism are simply knee jerk reactions to criticism of Israel. In fact, valid criticism is fine. You should try that sometime.

I'm here to discuss politics with people who are able to formulate engaging thoughts.

You should try formulating engaging posts, then.

I have no patience for low level intellect, bigotry and rude behaviour anymore. You're now on the block/ignore list.

Given the low quality of the information your posts seem to be based on, I really don't care if you reply or not. I will, however, continue to challenge the usually extremist and undemocratic nature of most of what your posts contain. This forum is not a trumpet where blowhards can simply spit out their drivel and nonsense unchallenged. If that is what you are looking for I suggest you go back to rabble.

[Charles Anthony]

Folks,

Avoid personal attacks. None of you are the topic of this discussion thread.

[DogOnPorch]

Folks,

Avoid personal attacks. None of you are the topic of this discussion thread.

With due respect, are we seriously supposed to be discussing how Jews control the government, media and banks?

Seriously?

[marcus]

With due respect, are we seriously supposed to be discussing how Jews control the government, media and banks?

Seriously?

The influence is there. Whether you want to admit it or not. Seriously.

The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy is a book by John Mearsheimer, Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, and Stephen Walt, Professor of International Relations at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, published in late August 2007. It was a New York Times Best Seller.

The book describes the lobby as a "loose coalition of individuals and organizations who actively work to steer U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction". The book "focuses primarily on the lobby's influence on U.S. foreign policy and its negative effect on American interests". The authors also argue that "the lobby's impact has been unintentionally harmful to Israel as well".

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Mother Jones compiled a list of the 400 leading contributors to the 2000 US national elections. Seven of the first ten were Jewish, as were twelve of the top 20, and 125 of the top 250.

In recent years the single biggest donor to American politicians, by far, has been Sheldon Adelson, a vehemently pro-Zionist Jewish billionaire. In the 2012 US election campaign, the gambling casino magnate and his wife gave tens of millions of dollars to Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney and other pro-Israel candidates, groups and organizations. As The New York Times reported: “Mr. Adelson, whose $38 billion fortune makes him among the richest men in the world, poured roughly $100 million into Republican campaigns in 2012 ...”

The biggest donor to Democratic Party candidates in recent years has been Haim Saban, an Israeli billionaire and global media mogul. Taking note of Saban’s ardent devotion to the Jewish state, The New York Timesreported: “He has since emerged as perhaps the most politically connected mogul in Hollywood, throwing his weight and money around Washington, and increasingly, the world, trying to influence all things Israeli. 'I’m a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel,' he said.” M. J. Rosenberg, a political affairs analyst for The Nation, observed: “Adelson and Saban are top funders, respectively, of the Republican and Democratic parties, although as Adelson points out, 'when it comes to Israel we’re on the same side'.”

[DogOnPorch]

The influence is there if you're a National Socialist with a passion for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion...where the whole 'Jews control the World' BS came from. Are you a fan of said publication?

[marcus]

The influence is there if you're a National Socialist with a passion for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion...where the whole 'Jews control the World' BS came from. Are you a fan of said publication?

So... what you're saying is that you don't want to admit the powerful Zionist influence over U.S. politics?

[DogOnPorch]

So... what you're saying is that you don't want to admit the powerful Zionist influence over U.S. politics?

No...I asked you if you're familiar with the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion...mentioned earlier in this lovely thread.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

Edited May 27, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[herples]

Zionism no longer exists it died out when Israel was created. There is no influence from it in western politics.

Edited May 27, 2016 by herples

[GostHacked]

With due respect, are we seriously supposed to be discussing how Jews control the government, media and banks?

Seriously?

You don't HAVE to take part in the thread, no one is forcing you.

[bush_cheney2004]

The influence is there. Whether you want to admit it or not. Seriously.

Still waiting for the examples of "Zionist influence" on Canada and Europe....