taxme Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 Yeah...you're one of those David Duke fans. That is the best you can come back with, uhmm? Still trying to avoid answering the questions, eh? I guess that I and others must be right then? You cannot challenge anything that is being asked of you? And your only reply is that I am antisemitic and a David Duke fan. I guess that this shows that David Duke and Brother Nathaniel must really do have something to say, and that they are pretty well spot on. I guess that you are just going to have to learn and accept people asking questions and challenging your beliefs. At one time zionism was not exposed to criticism nor allowed to be discussed. But today that is changing. Zionism is under more scrutiny today then it has ever been, and rightly so. If one has nothing to hide than there should not be a problem.
Hudson Jones Posted May 19, 2016 Report Posted May 19, 2016 As much as the Jewish population in Israel continues to become more radical and nationalistic, Jews living outside of Israel are having a hard time relating to Israel and its human rights violations. I think this is more to do with how easy information is available. The shift and increase of Jews criticizing Israel happened around the time when the two Jewish academics wrote the book: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt. Besides them, there are of course many other prominent Jews who speak out against Israel's brutal behaviour, like, Noam Chomsky, Richard Silverstein, Philip Weiss, Max Blumenthal, Naomi Klein and thousands of others. There are also groups, like Jewish Voice of Peace, which has been able to take large steps against Israel's aggression. Here is part of a very good article, which gives you some insight into the shift of how, mostly young Jews are questioning what they've been pushed to think and say: Why I am an Anti-Zionist Jew At 19, at the time of a university occupation against Operation Cast Lead, I found out for the first time that many people thought Zionism was wrong, that massacring the people living in Gaza could not be justified as self-defense. I was shocked, then angry, then upset. A combination of revisionist history and group mentality maintains a significant Zionist consensus among Diaspora Jews – we see Palestinians living in poverty, their families killed and their homes destroyed, and are told that this is because Hamas does not care for its own people...unlike Israel. Operation Protective Edge, in which over 1900 Palestinians and nearly 70 Israelis have now been killed, is just the most recent, inevitable consequence of a brutal, militaristically-advanced settler-colonial occupation encroaching on the lives and lands of a subjugated people – using a 30-foot wall, settlements, missiles, tanks and the withholding of basic human necessities to perpetrate continued domination. This form of militarism is not specific to Israel – the Islamic State, the treatment of Native Americans in the USA, and South African apartheid bear comparison - but that doesn't make it any more defensible. People arguing in favour of Israel often play on its relative democracy and tolerance, its status as a beacon of enlightenment in the savage east. But Israel today is obsessed with ethnic purity – its more totalitarian policies strategically enacted out of sight of Tel Aviv's bougie bars and beaches. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 Hamas started their war with Israel. There is no excuse for them. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 They still have a reason. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 They still have a reason. Nazis should be eliminated...not given their own Jew-free state. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 The only nazis here are the imaginary ones in your head. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) The only nazis here are the imaginary ones in your head. https://www.google.com/search?q=Hamas+salute&num=30&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB5P24henMAhVL7IMKHdjtC1UQ_AUICCgC&biw=1319&bih=690 Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the [Jews] people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them – even though they exaggerated this issue – he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers. ----Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi Edited May 20, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) You can find millions of Christians doing the same thing every Sunday morning. Even the queen and the pope do it. Edited May 20, 2016 by eyeball I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) You can find millions of Christians doing the same thing every Sunday morning. Even the queen and the pope do it. You're free to show who was the REAL originator of the Palestinian Cause...since it wasn't al-Husseini in your opinion. Edited May 20, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 https://www.google.com/search?q=Hamas+salute&num=30&hl=en&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB5P24henMAhVL7IMKHdjtC1UQ_AUICCgC&biw=1319&bih=690 Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the [Jews] people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them – even though they exaggerated this issue – he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers. ----Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi That's not Nazi-ism .. that's radical Islam. But you knew that there was a difference.
GostHacked Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 It's a pretty condescending tone one takes when they start with 'You are free to .......' I am sure that helps the conversation flow.
Rue Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) Jews living outside of Israel are having a hard time relating to Israel and its human rights violations. I think this is more to do with how easy information is available. You do not speak for me or any Jew. The fact you claim to, for me as a Jew is offensive. It indicates to me you are an anti semitic bigot who presumes to stereotype my people and tell us how we feel and think. You can take your posing that you know how we think and feel and understand clearyour presumption you know us and how we feel and think is testament is patronizing, offensive and a testament of your arrogance which I contend is k/based on your superiority complex and feeling you can tell Jews how they should think. It never fails to amaze me how many patronizing shmucks line up and presume to explain to me what happened to my foreskin. Edited May 20, 2016 by Rue
Rue Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 It's a pretty condescending tone one takes when they start with 'You are free to .......' I am sure that helps the conversation flow. Oh hell being told how I feel and think by Hudson JOnes, condescending? Lol. I love it when they mispronounce hulah hoolah or say bahgulls. Geniuses. Experts on Jews.
Rue Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 The only nazis here are the imaginary ones in your head. Now that's interesting because you continue with this tone where you presume to tell people how to think and feel. Where do you think you learned that behaviour from hmmmmm? Look in the mirror.
Rue Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 You can find millions of Christians doing the same thing every Sunday morning. Even the queen and the pope do it. Really? Engaging in terrorism? Oh really. Do provide examples.
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) That's not Nazi-ism .. that's radical Islam. But you knew that there was a difference. Himmler...head of the SS...thought otherwise. Are you going to second guess Himmler? "Mohammed knew that most people are terribly cowardly and stupid. That is why he promised two beautiful women to every courageous warrior who dies in battle. This is the kind of language a soldier understands. When he believes that he will be welcomed in this manner in the afterlife, he will be willing to give his life, he will be enthusiastic about going to battle and not fear death. You may call this primitive and you may laugh about it, but it is based on deeper wisdom. A religion must speak a man's language." ---Heinrich Himmler Dec. 1st, 1942 What did Himmler really mean, GH? Edited May 20, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) You just basically confirmed what I said. If you are against Zionism, then you're against there being a Jewish state.That's the twisted propaganda line, but it isn't the truth.I can't speak for others, but my concern is Zionism - a Jewish state - that continually expands beyond its legal borders. What boundaries does Zionism seek for the Jewish state? How - and when - does Zionism intend to exist peacefully within its borders and with its neighbours? . Edited May 20, 2016 by jacee
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 That the twisted propaganda line, but it isn't the truth. I can't speak for others, but my concern is Zionism - a Jewish state - that continually expands beyond its legal borders. What boundaries does Zionism seek for the Jewish state? How - and when - does Zionism intend to exist peacefully within its borders and with its neighbours? . What are Israel's legal borders? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 Really? Engaging in terrorism? Oh really. Do provide examples. And specifically, all giving the ol Nuremberg salute. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 What are Israel's legal borders? Ya that's what I'm asking: What borders is Israel willing to accept and live within peacefully? IE, without continually trying to expand (settlements) or control (Gaza) ? .
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 Ya that's what I'm asking: What borders is Israel willing to accept and live within peacefully? IE, without continually trying to expand (settlements) or control (Gaza) ? . Here's where your lack of history fails you. The West Bank was Jordan. Gaza was Egypt. How...seeing your limited understanding of history...do you think Israel ended-up in possession of these two regions? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) What are Israel's legal borders? That has not been defined yet. Also that depends on if you go with the 1960s borders or the borders that expanded after that, or the other expansions the border had .. and the expansion continues today. Even if you go with the current borders, are the Jewish settlements in the West Bank considered to be in Israel's legal borders? This should be fun. And I will preempt it all with Mufti for you. You are welcome. Edited May 20, 2016 by GostHacked
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) That has not been defined yet. Also that depends on if you go with the 1960s borders or the borders that expanded after that, or the other expansions the border had .. and the expansion continues today. Even if you go with the current borders, are the Jewish settlements in the West Bank considered to be in Israel's legal borders? This should be fun. And I will preempt it all with Mufti for you. You are welcome. The Arabs started each of the Arab-Israeli Wars. Do you feel Israel is now larger than ever and still growing? Edited May 20, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jacee Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 Here's where your lack of history fails you. The West Bank was Jordan. Gaza was Egypt. How...seeing your limited understanding of history...do you think Israel ended-up in possession of these two regions? Are you saying that Israel insists that the West Bank and Gaza be included in the Jewish state? Yes or no? .
DogOnPorch Posted May 20, 2016 Report Posted May 20, 2016 Are you saying that Israel insists that the West Bank and Gaza be included in the Jewish state? Yes or no? . My question was very clear. Are your history skills too lacking to answer? If so, what the heck are you doing commenting in the first place? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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