eyeball Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 I remember back in the eighties when the UK first touted the idea of giving Hong Kong back to the Chinese, my buddy at the time had a small older house in Richmond, with a mortgage. It was bought, sight unseen, by an agent, for enough money for him to pay off his mortgage and pay outright for a brand new house in Ladner. That would have been around the time my grandkids other grandparents fled Hong Kong and bought their place in Vancouver. My grand-daughter will be starting kindergarten this fall down the road in the same kindergarten her Dad went to. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 No, there is one reason...The Chinese. Please provide a cite for your claim. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Please provide a cite for your claim. No! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 No! Why not? I have doubts that the Chinese are the sole reason for the housing market in Vancouver... why can't you back up your claim? Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Why not? I have doubts that the Chinese are the sole reason for the housing market in Vancouver... why can't you back up your claim? Haven't we been down this road before - recently? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Haven't we been down this road before - recently? Yes... and you were told to back up your claims. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Yes... and you were told to back up your claims. ...and I did! If you don't care for my opinion, please provide your own. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 ...and I did! If you don't care for my opinion, please provide your own. You made a claim of fact. Not an opinion. Provide some evidence. Your last cite didn't even say what you were claiming! Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 You made a claim of fact. Not an opinion. Provide some evidence. Your last cite didn't even say what you were claiming! Look, you're being disingenuous. And, you're fishing from a slow moving boat. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Look, you're being disingenuous. And, you're fishing from a slow moving boat. And you just talk out your butt.... provide a cite for yor claim. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Haven't we been down this road before - recently? Everybody knows it's those darn DTES residents driving-up the house prices in Lotus Land. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 You need to be prepared to back up claims of FACT. If you can't, then your claim is unproven: you have made a statement that doesn't provide basis for discussion and the argument can't move forward. That's it. Let's move on. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 You need to be prepared to back up claims of FACT. If you can't, then your claim is unproven: you have made a statement that doesn't provide basis for discussion and the argument can't move forward. That's it. Let's move on. So! I can opine whatever I want. I've said nothing offensive, if Squid (or you) wants to disagree he's welcome to do that. I've joined the discussion and If he can't or won't put forth a counter argument, then he should not respond. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) You need to be prepared to back up claims of FACT. If you can't, then your claim is unproven: you have made a statement that doesn't provide basis for discussion and the argument can't move forward. The majority of "cites" that people post on these forums are links to some biased opinion article. Those are hardly "fact". The majority of the time when someone asks for a cite on this forum, it's not because they are genuinely curious to see supporting evidence, but because they don't like what the other person is saying and are hoping to stop or derail the discussion by asking the other person to do more work than they are willing to put into some random thread on an irrelevant forum. And on the occasions when someone does post a cite which contains any kind of factual information, it is almost always immediately dismissed by the person who asked for it anyway. Frankly, I'd rather read the opinions that people write up specifically as part of a thread here than opinions of other people that they link to. Edited April 26, 2016 by Bonam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 The majority of "cites" that people post on these forums are links to some biased opinion article. Those are hardly "fact". The majority of the time when someone asks for a cite on this forum, it's not because they are genuinely curious to see supporting evidence, but because they don't like what the other person is saying and are hoping to stop or derail the discussion by asking the other person to do more work than they are willing to put into some random thread on an irrelevant forum. Agreed....demanding cites is usually a tactic having nothing to do with an exercise in fact finding. Soliciting responses about multiculturalism and food is inherently an exercise in opinion. "Cites" often prove nothing except search engine prowess. Going forward, perhaps we should preface posts as findings of fact or opinion just in case it is not obvious. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 The majority of "cites" that people post on these forums are links to some biased opinion article. Those are hardly "fact". The majority of the time when someone asks for a cite on this forum, it's not because they are genuinely curious to see supporting evidence, but because they don't like what the other person is saying and are hoping to stop or derail the discussion by asking the other person to do more work than they are willing to put into some random thread on an irrelevant forum. That was what struck me about the request for this cite. It wasn't really someone who doubted what he'd been told but someone who wanted to make the op do more work. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 So! I can opine whatever I want. I've said nothing offensive, if Squid (or you) wants to disagree he's welcome to do that. I've joined the discussion and If he can't or won't put forth a counter argument, then he should not respond. So you have no actual reason to say that foreign ownership (the Chinese) are to blame for Vancouver's housing prices... but that's your opinion anyway... because of your feelings? A gut instinct? Why do you have this opinion? I think you are talking out your arse. Back up your claim. Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 So you have no actual reason to say that foreign ownership (the Chinese) are to blame for Vancouver's housing prices... but that's your opinion anyway... because of your feelings? A gut instinct? Why do you have this opinion? I think you are talking out your arse. Back up your claim. No! Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 No!Why do you believe it's the Chinese? Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 I can opine whatever I want. In my opinion your reason for citing Chinese people is because you're a racialist. As evidence I present your history of citing Chinese people to make the case that Canadians should be as incensed as you at the foreign takeover of our fishing industry. Well, Americans started buying up our quotas and boats years ago and I've never heard you setting your hair on fire over that. Why now and not then? What evidence do you have that proves you'd be the least bit concerned if it was wealthy English speaking Americans doing all the buying in Vancouver right now? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) No, there is one reason...The Chinese. That's one of the reasons, not the only reason. Speculative buyers, flippers and panic buyers, coupled with low-interest rates, they are adding to things. Add in the low supply because people don't want to sell and become buyers in a seller's market, that's also a factor. Long-term investors are also finding it a good investment given the low return on investment elsewhere. There's a whole myriad of reasons, Chinese money is just one. As I said before, you should start a thread and we can discuss it instead of jacking this one. Edited April 27, 2016 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 In my opinion your reason for citing Chinese people is because you're a racialist. As evidence I present your history of citing Chinese people to make the case that Canadians should be as incensed as you at the foreign takeover of our fishing industry. Well, Americans started buying up our quotas and boats years ago and I've never heard you setting your hair on fire over that. Why now and not then? What evidence do you have that proves you'd be the least bit concerned if it was wealthy English speaking Americans doing all the buying in Vancouver right now? Ok, This isn't really about fishing, but as it add's to the big picture, I'll give my take. I've fished in many fisheries in different provinces across Canada, and in down time I drove a truck to deliver different fish to downtown Vancouver. While fishing and delivering fish, the same couple names always came up. These guys (all Chinese) had control of boats, quota, crew shares and the entire market - and I saw it not just one fishery, but many. When you actually see just how deep these few people are, you take notice. The Chinese are dictating nearly our entire commercial fishery. As for the americans, I'd be just as incensed if it were them doing this. I think our resources should belong to and be controlled by Canadians. The Americans have been known to arrange their fishery dates to make sure they get the fish before they hit Canadian waters - this is an issue too. In the Maritimes, it is much harder to get a fishing license if you are not local, I think that's the way it should be. To go even further, I'll add this; I get outraged when I see a log barge full of timber heading for Asia, our coal or minerals heading out of the country as well. I don't like our water or hydro leaving Canada either. Sorry, this has nothing to do with yellow people, it is about sitting back and being taken advantage of by outside countries. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) I think our resources should belong to and be controlled by Canadians. Sorry, this has nothing to do with yellow people, it is about sitting back and being taken advantage of by outside countries. If one is born in Canada, say to third generation born in Canada "yellow people," is this person a Canadian or a Chinese?In your opinion, of course. Edited April 27, 2016 by msj Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 Ok, This isn't really about fishing, but as it add's to the big picture, I'll give my take. I've fished in many fisheries in different provinces across Canada, and in down time I drove a truck to deliver different fish to downtown Vancouver. While fishing and delivering fish, the same couple names always came up. These guys (all Chinese) had control of boats, quota, crew shares and the entire market - and I saw it not just one fishery, but many. When you actually see just how deep these few people are, you take notice. The Chinese are dictating nearly our entire commercial fishery. Our entire fishery you say? What are their names? To go even further, I'll add this; I get outraged when I see a log barge full of timber heading for Asia, our coal or minerals heading out of the country as well. Good. What do Chinese people have to do our governments signing off on all this? Sorry, this has nothing to do with yellow people, it is about sitting back and being taken advantage of by outside countries. Its a little difficult to believe that because the only time you seem to sit up is when it involves Chinese people. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 Our entire fishery you say? What are their names? Good. What do Chinese people have to do our governments signing off on all this? Its a little difficult to believe that because the only time you seem to sit up is when it involves Chinese people. I didn't say that they have control over our entire fishery, I said that they have control over many of our fisheries. I think that entire entire time I've been here, I've only mentioned the Chinese once or twice - and only in regards to fisheries. Don't try and paint something thats not there - it's disingenuous. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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