Is anyone else tired of folks touting Multiculturalism because of food

[Argus]

I recently shared a libation with an individual who informed me that Mike Harris and Stephen Harper were close cousins and that Harper was currently in the USA organizing an army to come back and take over Ottawa. Since I could find no verification of that view on the Internet, I am suspect of the authenticity of that view.

Of course, if such information had been posted to Al Jazeera or RT you'd have believed it without reservation...

[Argus]

I think you should speak for yourself... I don't think most people are like that at all. I have friends of many racial backgrounds and couldn't care less about the difference in skin colour or backgrounds... in fact, it's interesting!

Not caring about skin color and backgrounds is not the same as not caring that some have primitive and backward religious and cultural beliefs and practices.

Edited April 24, 2016 by Argus

[The_Squid]

Not caring about skin color and backgrounds is not the same as not caring that some have primitive and backward religious and cultural beliefs and practices.

ok... I agree.

[BC_chick]

You'll never get the "browning of humanity". While white folks are naive, you can believe that asians and mid easterners aren't. Sure the white race will die, and if you look at birth rates, it won't take 10,000 years. The world will never be multicultural, the muslims and asians will end up fighting for control of the world.

So why do you think right and left wing governments in all 'white race' countries are taking in immigrants in the first place?

I don't think it's out of love, so what could it be? Hmmmm.

[Argus]

So why do you think right and left wing governments in all 'white race' countries are taking in immigrants in the first place?

I don't think it's out of love, so what could it be? Hmmmm.

Because the white race countries have been so economically successful, and have elevated womens equality to such an extent, and because the cultural value system of most of those countries has become fixated on self-interest and owning 'things' that people are not having babies at a replacement rate. Babies get in the way of that fancy new car, and winter vacations, and the me-me-me insistence on instant gratification.

And because politicians always reach for the cheapest, quickest, easiest answer to any societal problem or issue, and as an added bonus they get to look 'progressive' on racial issues, which is good for both right and left wing. And since politicians don't think any further down the line than the next election they don't care about how decades of immigration might change their country.

Edited April 24, 2016 by Argus

[BC_chick]

Because the white race countries have been so economically successful, and have elevated womens equality to such an extent, and because the cultural value system of most of those countries has become fixated on self-interest and owning 'things' that people are not having babies at a replacement rate.

And because oliticians always reach for the cheapest, quickest, easiest answer to any societal problem or issue, and as an added bonus they get to look 'progressive' on racial issues, which is good for both right and left wing. And since politicians don't think any further down the line than the next election they don't care about how decades of immigration might change their country.

That answers why immigrants want to live in the west but it doesn't answer why across the board 'white race' nations are allowing immigrants no matter which government is in charge.

[Hal 9000]

So why do you think right and left wing governments in all 'white race' countries are taking in immigrants in the first place?

I don't think it's out of love, so what could it be? Hmmmm.

Birth rates.

[eyeball]

Birth rates.

Hence the browning...

[Hal 9000]

Hence the browning...

Well, I guess it depends on what you mean as "browning".

If you mean that brown, black or yellow people will over run white people, then I'd agree. If you think, as the way you worded your other post, that all races (including white) would amalgamate into one singular race, then I gotta think that you're not seeing the numbers or the trends.

[eyeball]

Well, I guess it depends on what you mean as "browning".

You didn't read the quote or it's source that I provided a link to did you? You would know what I mean if you did that.

If you think, as the way you worded your other post, that all races (including white) would amalgamate into one singular race, then I gotta think that you're not seeing the numbers or the trends

I said that's what I only hoped would happen I didn't predict it.

If you mean that brown, black or yellow people will over run white people, then I'd agree.

No, I don't I mean that either.

Is it fair to say you eschew clicking on other poster's sources as much as you do posting them yourself?

Edited April 25, 2016 by eyeball

[Argus]

That answers why immigrants want to live in the west but it doesn't answer why across the board 'white race' nations are allowing immigrants no matter which government is in charge.

It answers both. Having children is a PITA. It costs a lot of money, it's very inconvenient and physically difficult for women. It's painful. It's messy. And then you've got years of expense and hard work. For what? Why not just live for the day, for yourself? That is often the philosophy now. Kids get in the way of careers and vacations and fun. Who wants the trouble? So we're not reproducing ourselves.

But here's the thing about using immigrants to solve this. Either immigrants are going to adapt to our culture and stop having kids too, or they're going to cling to their old ways, including their old religious ways, and supplant us as their numbers grow. It's not an accident that most of those who still have a lot of kids are religious people, including all those Hispanic Catholics immigrants in the US, various other dedicated Christian groups here, and Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, etc. So if we don't change our cultural values to VALUE having children over having STUFF more, then Canada and the other western nations are going to see themselves supplanted, both racially, ethnically and culturally, by more religious people, primarily Muslims except in the US.

it's simple numbers. Where the average secular couple has one kid and the average Muslim couple has three or four it doesn't take too many generations. That's why the Muslim population is doubling every ten years.

But don't expect politicians, like Harper or Trudeau, to give a damn about what happens ten or twenty or fifty years down the road. They're only focused on the short-term political benefits of supporting high immigration levels.

[msj]

Is it fair to say you eschew clicking on other poster's sources as much as you do posting them yourself?

But but but that could lead to informed discussion.

[msj]

If you think, as the way you worded your other post, that all races (including white) would amalgamate into one singular race,

You mean a singular race like the "human race?"

Last time I checked, I (a white-ish male - I do have brown eyes) could screw an Asian, an African, an Inuit, etc etc and we would produce a baby.

If we were not of the same race, or species even, then that would not be possible.

Edited April 25, 2016 by msj

[Hal 9000]

You didn't read the quote or it's source that I provided a link to did you? You would know what I mean if you did that.

I said that's what I only hoped would happen I didn't predict it.

No, I don't I mean that either.

Is it fair to say you eschew clicking on other poster's sources as much as you do posting them yourself?

Well, I had first quoted you before you provided a link. Then, To be honest, i have no interest reading anything from Coulter, nor do I have any interest in what the coulter detractors say. Labelling something as motormouth doesn't intrigue me to read it.

You "hope" that all races amalgamate into one race, I said it would be nice but.... - it can't and won't ever happen and i've told you why - what more do you want.

[Hal 9000]

You mean a singular race like the "human race?"

Last time I checked, I (a white-ish male - I do have brown eyes) could screw an Asian, an African, an Inuit, etc etc and we would produce a baby.

If we were not of the same race, or species even, then that would not be possible.

Just because there is a handful of mixed marriages, does not for a minute show any evidence that the world could ever consist of one race. It's simply a dream of western world white folks and bears no resemblance to how the majority of the world thinks.

[msj]

Just because there is a handful of mixed marriages, does not for a minute show any evidence that the world could ever consist of one race. It's simply a dream of western world white folks and bears no resemblance to how the majority of the world thinks.

Um, it's biological fact that there is one human race.

You can gloss over this fact all you like but the fact remains that Asians can screw Africans can screw white people and we can all intermix our dna and produce children.

We just look a bit different than each other which isn't a big deal.

[Hal 9000]

Um, it's biological fact that there is one human race.

You can gloss over this fact all you like but the fact remains that Asians can screw Africans can screw white people and we can all intermix our dna and produce children.

We just look a bit different than each other which isn't a big deal.

So, I guess that solves the racism issue.

[msj]

Admitting that there are larger variations within races than between races is not a big deal.

Yes, taxonomically race exists.

It's just not nearly as big a deal as racists, whether white, black, Asian, or whoever, would have us believe.

Edited April 25, 2016 by msj

[BC_chick]

It answers both. Having children is a PITA. It costs a lot of money, it's very inconvenient and physically difficult for women. It's painful. It's messy. And then you've got years of expense and hard work. For what? Why not just live for the day, for yourself? That is often the philosophy now. Kids get in the way of careers and vacations and fun. Who wants the trouble? So we're not reproducing ourselves.

it's simple numbers. Where the average secular couple has one kid and the average Muslim couple has three or four it doesn't take too many generations. That's why the Muslim population is doubling every ten years.

But don't expect politicians, like Harper or Trudeau, to give a damn about what happens ten or twenty or fifty years down the road. They're only focused on the short-term political benefits of supporting high immigration levels.

Having kids is not 'messy' and the setbacks to the career are temporary - but cost of living is a living hell and add in more than 1 kid and most of us struggle.

To put things in perspective, my dad raised our family on his single-income in a beautiful house in a very nice suburb 20 minutes from downtown but that house is now worth to 2 million dollars. Even with my husband and I both working in above-average wages, we can't afford to buy a house anywhere within 45 minutes of the city.

It's not kids that are expensive, it's LIFE that's become unaffordable. Even the immigrants that you mention don't have as many children as they do in their home countries.

Any politician is doing themselves more favours by providing incentives for increasing the local birth rates, as opposed to immigration, so I'm not sure if I agree with you about this being a short-term political gain.

The thing is, with the current birthrates and an increasing longer life span, there is not more than a couple of generations left before there is a serious economic fallout.

Multiculturalism may end up simply prolonging the inevitable death of the 'white race countries", but at least it stretches things out and offers a good shawarma in the meantime. I'll stick to the falafels though since I don't eat animal carcasses.

Edited April 25, 2016 by BC_chick

[Hal 9000]

Having kids is not 'messy' and the setbacks to the career are temporary - but cost of living is a living hell and add in more than 1 kid and most of us struggle.

To put things in perspective, my dad raised our family on his single-income in a beautiful house in a very nice suburb 20 minutes from downtown but that house is now worth to 2 million dollars. Even with my husband and I both working in above-average wages, we can't afford to buy a house anywhere within 45 minutes of the city.

It's not kids that are expensive, it's LIFE that's become unaffordable. Even the immigrants that you mention don't have as many children as they do in their home countries.

Any politician is doing themselves more favours by providing incentives for increasing the local birth rates, as opposed to immigration, so I'm not sure if I agree with you about this being a short-term political gain.

The thing is, with the current birthrates and an increasing longer life span, there is not more than a couple of generations left before there is a serious economic fallout.

Multiculturalism may end up simply prolonging the inevitable death of the 'white race countries", but at least it stretches things out and offers a good shawarma in the meantime. I'll stick to the falafels though since I don't eat animal carcasses.

So, why do you think house prices are so high in Vancouver?

MMMM....I love animal carcass.

Edited April 25, 2016 by Hal 9000

[Boges]

I'd say my favourite type of food to eat is Middle Easter/Mediterranean. I don't see how that's a commentary about my acceptance of multiculturalism. I accept it regardless but food somewhat irrelevant.

What we have seen in the past and probably will see in the future, is the westernization of such "ethnic" foods.

Many Asian restaurants cater their menu to western tastes. It's difficult to actually identify what is authentic Mexican or latin food.

The whole Pita restaurant boom is a perfect example of the blending of different food states. Subway, of all places, is now offering a butter chicken sandwich.

I don't believe as member eyeball states, that we're evolutionary headed to, more or less, a single racial group because we have too many different influences in how we perceive when it comes to romantic relationships. And a lot of that is an immigrants desire to stay with their own for a few generations when getting here.

I think food is a very superfluous part of the debate.

[BC_chick]

I was kidding about the food reference, just to set the record straight.

Hal, there are several reasons for the real estate crisis. You should start a thread so we can discuss it.

Edited April 25, 2016 by BC_chick

[Hal 9000]

I was kidding about the food reference, just to set the record straight.

Hal, there are several reasons for the real estate crisis. You should start a thread so we can discuss it.

No, there is one reason...The Chinese. They're buying up all the property, sometimes leaving it empty, sometimes leaving anchor people usually women to sit on the land. Vancouver people get offered staggering money and see that as their lottery ticket - and sell.

The same thing is happening to our fisheries, but we're too politically correct to openly acknowledge the situation.

[Guest]

No, there is one reason...The Chinese. They're buying up all the property, sometimes leaving it empty, sometimes leaving anchor people usually women to sit on the land. Vancouver people get offered staggering money and see that as their lottery ticket - and sell.

The same thing is happening to our fisheries, but we're too politically correct to openly acknowledge the situation.

I remember back in the eighties when the UK first touted the idea of giving Hong Kong back to the Chinese, my buddy at the time had a small older house in Richmond, with a mortgage. It was bought, sight unseen, by an agent, for enough money for him to pay off his mortgage and pay outright for a brand new house in Ladner.

[eyeball]

The same thing is happening to our fisheries, but we're too politically correct to openly acknowledge the situation.

Well, we did encourage them to buy a lot our industrial capacity and ship it home decades ago so...

There are a lot of things Canadians are too correct to question, like Ottawa's wisdom when it set the stage for the foreign takeover of our fisheries by privatizing quotas for example. NOW Canadians are pissed off because they feel they've lost something? Where the hell were they when coastal Canadians started to resisting this development to prevent it from happening 20 years or more ago? Oh right, they were happily shipping our factories to China.

But Chinese folks are pretty good at preparing seafood so there's that food aspect of multiculturalism again.

Edited April 26, 2016 by eyeball