bush_cheney2004 Posted April 8, 2016 Report Posted April 8, 2016 So how are you so sure their is any problem with the Muslims/Palestinians? I mean, if we take your dismissal of hypocrisy as it is convenient to ignore the relevance of an moral highground FOR Israel, Because Palestinians use to embrace several religions, including Judaism, not just Islam. It is easy to dismiss your concern about hypocrisy, but not the actual history of the region. I'm guessing that you're a Christian with only one concern in mind.....that those Jews that you feign to favor are just your utility to get your Christian Armageddon initiated? No...I am pagan. But I never needed any religion to appreciate the utility of applied physics. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted April 9, 2016 Report Posted April 9, 2016 You're misreading accent in context to my whole philosophical take on this. The Jews [i'll assume you one unless you assure me you aren't] DIDN'T have a home in Palestine but in Germany Your people (Zionist Jews, that is) thus exploited the powers of the Allies But you don't get the irony that the Israelis are doing this precisely to the Palestinians. You think you are so high and mighty over them? If the Muslims (properly, Palestinians) are horrible people, the Israelis are ten times more than that since they keep acting on their continued settlements, the WALLS, the checkpoints, etc. You MUST be ANTI-Caucasic, ANTI-Muslim, ANTI-X, -Y, and -Z, right? Your words speak for themselves and your trying to flop about giving them amended meanings when you can't defend them is transparent. So is your need to constantly speak about yourself and pose yourself now as a philosopher. As for your verbal diaheria about me, "misreading accent in context to my (your) whole philosophical take), uh no. Sorry to burst your delusion but no "misreading accent in context" is just you babbling. They evidence babble as in a brook or fart as in the wind. . Next your attempt to patronize and bait me me because I am Jewish speaks for itself as does yourr idiotic unsubstantiated smeer that "my people" exploited the allies in WW2. That comment again show show you spew anti semitic crap that has nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with your need to constantly insult Jews and portray all Jews in a negative manner. No "Jew" exploited any ally. My father joined the Royal Canadian Air Force at 16 and retired a Major in the Army after the war when he transferred over and he is a proud Canadian veteran who put his country first and his fellow soldiers first and passed on his code of honour to me which I have lived and tried to uphold in the war I was In and still am and that is all you are entitled to know. He didn't exploit anyone. I have never exploited anyone nor did any of the Jews of Palestine who fought in the British Armed forces in North Africa so get that clear. Take your neo nai code references and understand this-no Jew exploited anyone in WW2 and for you to suggest that spews again your neo Nazi agenda and you know what you can do with it. I trust the above words are clear so you won't "misread accent in context" (sic) as to what I just said. You stated I don't get the irony Israelis are doing to Palestinians what you claim Nazis did to Jews. T There's no irony but there is your repeated execrcise of calling Jews Nazis and that that challenge and again call you out for being an anti-Semitic bigot for saying among other reasons. You don't talk of Israeli state policies but you smeer Jews as exploiting Allies a blatant anti semitic smeer and Israelis defending themselves against terrorists as Nazis or simply living as Jews in Israel as being Nazis. What I do get is the irony "Scott Meyer" that you fabricated that name. hide your true identity and try attack mine with negative stereotypes thinking I will do the same if you admit your real name. What I do get is you keep talking to your imagined audience about me being a Jew and attaching to that name all kinds of smeers. What I do get is in each and every post you spew out negative stereotypes and need to label and call names such as: "You MUST be ANTI-Caucasic, ANTI-Muslim, ANTI-X, -Y, and -Z, right?..." That I get "Scott Meyer". I get that "Scott Meyer" and you need to get that each and every time you come on this forum to call people derogatory names and spew out negative stereotypes about them, I understand and so do others you do so because you feel the need to detract from your own true identity by using one of two devices; I-reinventing your own identity and making constant references to this reinvented identity; and II-spewing out non stop names meant to slander and negatively stereotype the beliefs of others. What I do get and so do others is you are a bigot who can't express himself beyond rigid negative stereotypes of others. What I do get is you loath your own identity and that is why you do what you do to detract from it. What I do get is you take everything inside yourself you loath, externalize it into an imagined entity called Jew so you can spit at it. There is nothing ironic about that. Its just pitiful. Go on "Scott Meyer" you love to talk about yourself. Tell them your real heritage. Lol. Yer just another self loathing minority who comes on the board spewing at Jews to preempt what you think are the same negative feelings you spew, you think are held against you. So which name do you want to be labelled by-pro Nazi, pro Muslim terrorist, which one. Anti caucasic you ask? You Meyer are deluded if you think you can call me names and I would respond with moral righteousness explaining what I really stand for. Lol. All you need to know is, I am descended and have the blood of the people who fought in the underground, who wore their uniforms for Canada and Israel proudly. That is all you need to know. All you need to know is you need to watch where you tread and each time you try piss on the grave of brave people, I will be there and one day Meyer you will get to meet me when you least want to. All you need to know is there are people like me who come out of the shadows, the ashes, the pile of corpses just when you think we are a long forgotten memory and we will hold you accountable for your words, your deeds. Quote
Scott Mayers Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 Rue, You're sad Rue. You're an icon who lacks substance to ANY position here with accountability as you continue to insult me by doing whatever you think it takes to disrupt any dissent of your absolute You-Must-Be-All-for-Israel-OR-You-Are-An-Anti-Semite stance. As I can see, there is no use going past you're continued insistence to try dictating that I am some Neo Nazi intent on defeating Jews everywhere. You are appalling if you even assert yourself Canadian here when your first alliance is to Israel. So unless you have anything constructive to contribute, I'm through with trying with you. Bush_cheney2004, I'm sorry on the 'Christian' accusation. I thought of this later offline and think I remember you actually telling me before that you weren't Christian. I don't share your right-wing view though, and while 'understanding' this in light of my own logical nihilism (that no actual morality exists to Nature itself), I find that unless we tackle the issue of Nationalism in all parties, no political idea works and so the default will always favor the EXTREMES of those WITH Nationalist tendencies fostering MORE and not LESS hatred. Quote
Rue Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) Rue, You're sad Rue. You're an icon who lacks substance to ANY position here with accountability as you continue to insult me by doing whatever you think it takes to disrupt any dissent of your absolute You-Must-Be-All-for-Israel-OR-You-Are-An-Anti-Semite stance. As I can see, there is no use going past you're continued insistence to try dictating that I am some Neo Nazi intent on defeating Jews everywhere. You are appalling if you even assert yourself Canadian here when your first alliance is to Israel. So unless you have anything constructive to contribute, I'm through with trying with you. Of course you are not done. You told me posts ago what you wrote above right down to the name calling but the narcissistic defect will compel you to respond again and again just as it did for your counterpart is it, "Big Guy" who said the exact same thing. The personal attacks from both of you, laughable. I suppose multiple name attacks is what supposed to make it look like more than one person is standing up to the Jew is it? The traitorous Jew is it? Lol. I love the anti semitic name calling. Yah I know, I m a taiterous Jew, I can't possibly be loyal to Canada if I support Israel's right to exist. Now if I supported your beliefs or Iran's agenda as Bug Guy wants, lol, uh yah, that would make me a loyal Canadian. What a joke. The piffle you throw out to try insult is past hilarious. Listen Before you accuse me of being a traitor or dictating anything to anyone, read back your words. Not one post does not go by where you don't unilaterally dictate to people what they must think and what they think based on your ignorant assumptions that attach to your labels on them. That's the whole raison d'etre why you are on the board to assume you know what people think base don the labels you give them. The attacking me or others personally because I am a Jew or they might be Christian or whatever... the accusations I am not a loyal Canadian because I am a Jew, think its new Meyer? You really think in my life I have not encountered insipid anti semitic Jew baiting? Lol, do I look like it bothers me? Do you really think you can put the Jew back in his place? Lol does it sound like it? I don't dictate, you do. I in fact challenge your dictatorial decrees, your hatred, your bigotry, your ignorance as stated in your words. I challenge your need to negatively stereotype, and I llaugh at your attempts to bait. Lol here I am. Traiterous Jew. Man you are a gas. Your need to get in peoples' faces about their religion shows the level you are at when you respond. You stereotype people based on what you think are labels such as race, religion. Your world of expression can't survive without rigid labels you fasten on people. Your cognitive processes show you can't deal with any opinion other than your own as real. The pseuto intellectual babble about nationality doesn't and never has covered up your ignorant words and their stereotyping based on your hateful subjective false negative stereotypes. Philosophy. Lol. Right. Edited April 10, 2016 by Rue Quote
Big Guy Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Posted April 11, 2016 Israeli justice continues to reflect a rogue, blind and extremist governed nation. Almost two years ago, another unarmed Palestinian protester was murdered by Israeli troops. Over the past two years, Siam has navigated Israel's military court system while launching his own campaign to get the case heard. Israeli forces initially alleged that they had only shot rubber-coated steel bullets during the incident, suggesting that the live rounds that killed Nadim and 16-year-old Muhammad Abu Thahr must have come from Palestinian gunmen. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/04/palestinian-father-seeking-justice-son-murder-160410054449280.html This Israeli criminal behavior has not changed since Ariel (The Butcher) Sharon, in 1982 in Lebanon, conveniently looked the other way and encouraged the Sabra and Shatila massacre. It was the killing of about 3,000 civilians, mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiites, by a militia close to the Kataeb Party, also called Phalange, a predominantly Christian Lebanese right-wing party in the Sabra neighborhood and the adjacent Shatila refugee camp in Beirut, Lebanon. From approximately 6:00 pm 16 September to 8:00 am 18 September 1982, a widespread massacre was carried out by the militia virtually under the eyes of their Israeli allies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre Perhaps if Ariel (The Butcher) Sharon, soon to become PM of Israel had been dragged in front of the world court for war crimes then Israel might have been discouraged from their path to genocide. When is Canada going to join the rest of the world and condemn this rogue nation? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
taxme Posted April 11, 2016 Report Posted April 11, 2016 Drivel. I think you call them patriots because they share your hatred of Jews. That is amazingly stupid. Russia has lost virtually all freedoms. (1)It is not drivel and you know it is not. You just don't want to admit it. (2)Patriots share my view about Israel. It is the zionists that hate everybody. (3)At one time in Russia demonstrations were not allowed. People would be shot in the streets. Now the Russian people are demonstrating all the time. They even get out and demonstrate against Putin. I get this from watching RT.com. You know the one TV station you think is just another Pravada news outlet. I think that you need to stop reading whatever it is you read. They are not telling you anything except maybe how wonderful Israel is. Quote
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Rue Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) (2)Patriots share my view about Israel. It is the zionists that hate everybody. No I don't. I like Argus. Can you expand on who these "Patriots" are? Do you share the views of Hamas, Hezbollah, PFLP, Islamic Jihad? Edited April 12, 2016 by Rue Quote
Big Guy Posted April 12, 2016 Author Report Posted April 12, 2016 So the Israeli war criminals are at it again. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/04/surge-demolitions-leaves-palestinians-homeless-160410130015665.html With the world focus on ISIS, Israel continues to steal more land and force land owners off their land. "Among those affected is the patriarch of the community, Suleiman Hathaleen. As he explained that the land belonged to his family, a soldier smirked. When he tried to stand in the way of the bulldozers, in a futile attempt to stop the demolitions, he was shoved aside and at one point carried away by a few soldiers." When are Canadians going to finally get fed up with this rogue nation and demand the Israelis be held to account for their atrocities? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
taxme Posted April 13, 2016 Report Posted April 13, 2016 No I don't. I like Argus. Can you expand on who these "Patriots" are? Do you share the views of Hamas, Hezbollah, PFLP, Islamic Jihad? How nice for Argus that you like him. No doubt you made his day. Those patriots names were already mentioned. Want more, check out the internet or You tube. I share the views of politically incorrect people. The people who listen to and read and get the other side of the story. Those patriots are the real hero's of this country. Not the PC people who constantly attack them because they don't like what they have to say or have written. Those PC people who are on a mission to destroy this country's heritage, culture and traditions, and replace this country with the rest of the world and their problems. Quote
Rue Posted April 13, 2016 Report Posted April 13, 2016 So tax me why can't you come on this board and say you support Hamas, Hezbollah, PFLP, Islamic Jihad, Al Quaeda, ISIL, Al Nusra, and any one who believes violence is a legitimate means to "liberate" Israel. Why do you couch your support behind the term "patriot". Do you really think anyone is fooled as to what and who you support? Or better still, do you want to show I am wrong and state you don't support terrorism by the above groups? Lol. Taxme, you come on this board supporting terrorism as long as its anti Israel and that is precisely why this thread and your words are challenged for what they are. Quote
Argus Posted April 13, 2016 Report Posted April 13, 2016 I share the views of politically incorrect people. Aligning yourself with anti-semites, Nazis and white supremecists might make you 'politically incorrect' but it doesn't make you wise. The people who listen to and read and get the other side of the story. Nothing wrong with getting both sides of a story provided you have the ability to tell which is the correct one. You evidently lack that ability. Those patriots are the real hero's of this country. No, the're simply ignorant hatemongers. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 13, 2016 Report Posted April 13, 2016 Since when? When Islam was formed? 610-632CE? I'm curious to know precisely when or where you derive the starting point of Israel? That was not the question. The question was where this 'nationalism' began in the Muslim world, and yes, it began at the beginning, with the determination to conquer, by force, and convert by force, those who were not Muslim. But besides this, you need to also look back through history from the beginning of Islam and seem to forget how the WHOLE of Europe created the Crusades to also demonize and take over those lands. You mean the lands which were Christian until the Muslims attacked, conquered, and forcibly converted, or murdered, their populations? I find it interesting you judge the crusades as aggression against Muslims while blithely ignoring that they were a RESPONSE to Muslim aggression. Your position makes zero sense from an intellectual standpoint - almost as if you had some OTHER agenda here. The Muslims had way more hardships in their growth based on arrogances of those like yourself imposing such a standard of 'hatred' to look forward to. You mean the millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions who refused to be converted and so were beheaded as an example for others? Yes, what a hardship for the Muslims, having to swing their swords so often! No doubt it was most tiring! "Dar-al Islam" is a an acceptance of Islam but with a tolerance for non-Muslims, by the way. A 'tolerence' as long as they paid special taxes, and accepted that they had no rights. Even if it was their country? And you ignore the rest, right? You have X population of people who won't or can't fuss in a country purposely designed to favor Jews, but Y population excluded, whom if included democratically, would have ruled there instead. Not even nearly true. Israel was created by an act of the United Nations, in its Solomon like wisdom, splitting the territory into separate sections for Jewish rule and Muslim rule. Those Muslims who remained within the Jewish ruled zone got full rights, just like the Jews. The other territory dissolved in war and violence, and parts of it were grabbed off by other Muslim nations, leaving a rump of unwanted territory and unwanted people. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
taxme Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 Aligning yourself with anti-semites, Nazis and white supremecists might make you 'politically incorrect' but it doesn't make you wise. Nothing wrong with getting both sides of a story provided you have the ability to tell which is the correct one. You evidently lack that ability. No, the're simply ignorant hatemongers. Better to be aligning myself with patriots rather than with traitors. Those patriots have taught me a lot about who the real traitors are. And I am much wiser for that. I now know which is the correct story, and it's not the story that you seem to enjoy reading and believe in. Are you sure that it is not you that lacks the ability to try and find out the real truth? It is quite evident to me that you don't bother trying to get the other side of the story. Laziness will get you no where. Hatemongers to you but hero's and patriots to myself and many others. You appear to be a very intolerant person when it comes to others and their opinions and points of view. If you don't like what they have to say, you call them Nazis, white supremos or anti-semitic. I call those traitors communists, dictators and anti-freedom of speech censors. I will take the patriots to the traitors in this country anytime. Works for me. Quote
Big Guy Posted April 14, 2016 Author Report Posted April 14, 2016 Those Palestinian homes keep coming down. The Zionists and right wing extremists in the Israeli government continue to thumb their noses at the rest of the world: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/04/palestinians-israel-settlement-expansion-war-crime-160414124937582.html More and more people and leaders from around the world see Israeli actions as war crimes. When will the UN finally agree, see them as what they are and take the Israelis to the world court for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Scott Mayers Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 Argus responded to me asking him why he doesn't consider stepping back to Islamic origins and to the fact that their own people have received abuses all around since their own inception: That was not the question. The question was where this 'nationalism' began in the Muslim world, and yes, it began at the beginning, with the determination to conquer, by force, and convert by force, those who were not Muslim. Then you admit that their whole existence as a culture, religion, or nationality, have no justification? ....that while you think it alright for Judaism or Christianity to be 'legit', you have issue with Islam as a whole, to its people? ...that you have unequal concern to WHICH Nationalities should or should not exist? You mean the lands which were Christian until the Muslims attacked, conquered, and forcibly converted, or murdered, their populations?I find it interesting you judge the crusades as aggression against Muslims while blithely ignoring that they were a RESPONSE to Muslim aggression. Your position makes zero sense from an intellectual standpoint - almost as if you had some OTHER agenda here. I don't find ANY justice to ANY Nationalism as it necessarily implies INTOLERANCE of anyone external to their in-groups.As to your innuendo ["..some OTHER agenda..." you imply], this question could be equally said of you, Rue, or others treating anyone raising question of the status quo beliefs in Judaism's Nationalist Zionism as somehow MORE righteous by DEFAULT!! My sincere 'agenda' here is to show how those like yourself are being insincere and hypocritical as you hold biased belief in some specific CULTs over others with some belief in a GENETIC inherent 'right' to claims within politics.Bush_Cheney2004 mentioned that she doesn't think 'hypocricy' is a crime, to which I and others highly disagree. In fact, I would say that hypocrisy SHOULD be the most significant factor to determine whether ANY culture should even be respected, including those Muslims who should hold this as well. AND, it has to be considered 'criminal' since it represents some hierarchical belief in Superiors and Inferiors of people based on inheritances. We do NOT have a significant Muslim representation in the West such as this forum to give them the same defense of those like yourself to easily OFFEND and while you may declare some of us are here with our own hypocrisy, you lack substance to assume any argument AGAINST Israel or Christian intolerance as necessarily implying hatred of Jews or other groups. In fact, at best, all you could infer INTELLECTUALLY has to include the possibility that I'm an equal opportunity anti-Nationalist of ANY cults equally AND thus non-hypocritical. The Muslims had way more hardships in their growth based on arrogances of those like yourself imposing such a standard of 'hatred' to look forward to.You mean the millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions who refused to be converted and so were beheaded as an example for others? Yes, what a hardship for the Muslims, having to swing their swords so often! No doubt it was most tiring! And your declarations are EASY to assert with most discrimination considering it is as equally true of any dominant religious culture in all times to point to atrocities of the other as a means to distract attention away from their own and to the argument at hand.It is irrelevant for my own view on this to defend either 'sides' of Nationalism but that you and Rue here are intent to keep drawing such significance to how the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslim-Nationalists are somehow deserving to be penalized by some OTHER extremes. If the offence against the Isrealis by me or others are NOT given equal notice of their own intrinsic hating-type Nationalism which is THE CAUSE of all abuses by any sides here, no solutions could ever be discovered nor addressed with fairness.The Israeli NOR the Palestinians have a right to act in specific ways against others inhumanely. You have to accept an OBJECTIVE perspective of those without ANY concern for either extremists. You are just one extreme and find it in your interest to demand that EVERYONE must think in such black-and-white terms as you do. So if I'm against your view, I MUST be for your enemy, right?!! And HOW is that intelligent? Israel was created by an act of the United Nations, in its Solomon like wisdom, splitting the territory into separate sections for Jewish rule and Muslim rule. Those Muslims who remained within the Jewish ruled zone got full rights, just like the Jews. The other territory dissolved in war and violence, and parts of it were grabbed off by other Muslim nations, leaving a rump of unwanted territory and unwanted people. And WHO is the United Nations if it also should ignore the Palestinians in such negotiations when this state was set up? Where were the Palestinians in this supposedly 'just' decision? The United Nations itself is just another set of distinct biased groups collectively using the power of themselves collectively for each of their own selfish motives. While it is 'better' than some one Nation's unilateral power to dictate over others, it too is still biased as it serves only members. How does this body have the right to impose acts against non-members? Even given some member country can be intolerant Nations themselves, how does this body not simply represent something illegitimate when imposing its rule of some others? AND, if you assert the Palestinians as a non-State at the time, how did the non-existing "State" of Israel at the time even GET exceptional status in the U.N. to even have such privilege either? In fact, this more than anything PROVES that a deceptive conspiratorial purpose resides with any creation or approval of some 'State of Israel' or to some phony pretense of creating another one for the Palestinians along side of it, as if this is somehow remotely considerate. Even for the 'members' of the UN, if the representatives there to some Nation are intolerant, how can we determine if they aren't equally non-representative of the interests of those they could also claim to represent? (like the Saudis, for example) Quote
Scott Mayers Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 taxme, I can't say I agree or not to other issues of your own beyond the present argument and so wonder what you mean by "Patriots" here? I think of the term, "patriot", as a border-bound kind of nationalism with some political constitution in mind and NOT something I necessarily think may be troublesome depending on that constitution's inclusiveness to all people within it equally. So you can have 'pride' in some ideal and its practice where distributed justice is shared by all its members. What I'm not sure though is to whether you are referring to some particular group defending some philosophy? (I may have missed something you've mentioned earlier or elsewhere. If so, can you point me to this?) Quote
Argus Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 taxme, I can't say I agree or not to other issues of your own beyond the present argument and so wonder what you mean by "Patriots" here? Try Paul Fromm, Doug Christie, Doug Collins, Arthur Topham, Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hudson Jones Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) That was not the question. The question was where this 'nationalism' began in the Muslim world, and yes, it began at the beginning, with the determination to conquer, by force, and convert by force, those who were not Muslim. You mean the lands which were Christian until the Muslims attacked, conquered, and forcibly converted, or murdered, their populations? I find it interesting you judge the crusades as aggression against Muslims while blithely ignoring that they were a RESPONSE to Muslim aggression. Your position makes zero sense from an intellectual standpoint - almost as if you had some OTHER agenda here. You mean the millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions who refused to be converted and so were beheaded as an example for others? Yes, what a hardship for the Muslims, having to swing their swords so often! No doubt it was most tiring! A 'tolerence' as long as they paid special taxes, and accepted that they had no rights. Even if it was their country? Not even nearly true. Israel was created by an act of the United Nations, in its Solomon like wisdom, splitting the territory into separate sections for Jewish rule and Muslim rule. Those Muslims who remained within the Jewish ruled zone got full rights, just like the Jews. The other territory dissolved in war and violence, and parts of it were grabbed off by other Muslim nations, leaving a rump of unwanted territory and unwanted people. Why are you so selective in everything you try to present? You mean other religions did NOT take over land and convert by force? If reading is too much for you, here are some visuals that will help you understand: Click Here Our map gives us a brief history of the world's most well-known religions: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism. Edited April 14, 2016 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
taxme Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 Try Paul Fromm, Doug Christie, Doug Collins, Arthur Topham, Good start. Quote
eyeball Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 Way to go, send a patriot to catch a patriot and now you've got yourself four of 'em. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Rue Posted April 15, 2016 Report Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Interesting how a thread about Israeli war crimes still refers to no war crime and now we have people engaging in discussion what "patriotism" may mean. Taxme it is my contention you use the word "patriotism" as a substitute for "terrorism" in your references. So you and "Scott Meyer", please knock yourselves out keeping the word ambiguous in couched references and engage in pseuto babble as to its possible meanings, leaving yourself of course a way to keep changing the meaning. I'm not getting in your sandbox to play. Hey man, call them freedom fighters, heroes, martyrs, whatever adoring and romantic words you care to share. Wax poetic. These "patriots" subject, abuse, terrorize, torture and murder as many Palestinians as they do Israelis. They are scum of the earth. They make an obscenity of life their people, their culture, their religion and the rest of the world. I don't go to dictionaries and babble about "patriotism", I have witnessed it and its consequences. I've seen first hand what patriots do. Until you place a body part in a bag, label it and give it back to the mother who have birth to the body it was once attached to, your discussions on patriotism for me, are just juvenile babblings of an arm chair trerrorist cheer leader who haven't a clue what human flesh smells like . Have a nice day. Edited April 15, 2016 by Rue Quote
eyeball Posted April 15, 2016 Report Posted April 15, 2016 Interesting how a thread about Israeli war crimes still refers to no war crime and now we have people engaging in discussion what "patriotism" may mean. You're the only one who doesn't get that Its being used as a substitute for racism. Of course, it didn't exactly zip over your head, you merely ducked is all. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Big Guy Posted April 16, 2016 Author Report Posted April 16, 2016 There is still some Israelis who have a conscience and are prepared to do something about the oppression of the Palestinians. "Yakobovich said his own journey to becoming a human rights activist started after he joined the Israeli army at the age of 18. I spent a lot of the time in the West Bank and it shocked me what we were doing there - checkpoints in crowded areas in the city, raids on Palestinian homes in the middle of the night, scaring small children," the 45-year-old said. Eventually, he refused to serve in the occupied West Bank, a decision that landed him in jail." http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/04/secretive-human-rights-group-fights-abuses-video-160415211009923.html Fortunately, it appears that not all Israelis are bloodthirsty Zionists who are prepared to get rid of the Palestinians "in any manner required". Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted April 16, 2016 Report Posted April 16, 2016 Good start. Would you consider Adolph Hitler a patriot, as well? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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