Canadians FEAR Trump...Big Time

[msj]

Look, I don't find bankruptcies impressive either. But there's really no way to dispute he's a successful businessman.

There are many ways to dispute it.

I have put up the evidence already in that the only public record shows that he destroyed that public business.

The four (and counting?) bankruptcies also raise doubts, of course.

Anything else is just speculation.

Sure, if he released his tax returns then that may help somewhat.

But for all we know he's running for President because his business "Empire" is foundering and he needs that $100 million shot he's getting from Bill and Hillary Clinton.

[Guest]

If he invested his inheritance in the S&P index in the 1970s he would have more than he has today. I would say he is a mediocre businessman who did not blow his entire inheritance but should been able to do better given the risks he took.

Good point. Most of us could have done as well or better with that gift. Though, I think he cherishes the celebrity status he gained as much or more than than the cash itself. I bet his current status is more satisfying, in his mind, than say that of a boring, pragmatic Warren Buffet.

Edit: Most of us information junkie types that are stuffy and nerdy enough to discuss politics online could have done better with that gift. A significant proportion of the population would blow it or wind up dead.

Edited March 30, 2016 by Guest

[bush_cheney2004]

If he invested his inheritance in the S&P index in the 1970s he would have more than he has today. I would say he is a mediocre businessman who did not blow his entire inheritance but should been able to do better given the risks he took.

Actually, he has done quite well and consistent with the S&P according to the opinion below. He has certainly done better than The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau and his inheritance, while employing far more people...even in Canada. Yet...he is FEARED by some.

https://www.quora.com/Did-Donald-Trump-inherit-a-lot-of-money-and-then-increase-his-net-worth-at-an-unremarkable-rate

If Donald Trump is a huge business failure...please sign me up for some of that.

Edited March 30, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[betsy]

Speaking of how frightening he is, this one stood out: "The man does not know policy, nor does he have the humility to admit what he does not know — the most frightening position of all."

You're saying Trudeau, with his experience in drama, and as a bouncer, knows anything about any policy at all?

That's where political advisers come in. Everyone knows that.

Anyway, between someone with the experience of Trudeau, and someone with the vast business experience of Trump -

who do you think between the two will adapt quickly, and get a handle on policies?

There's nothing much different between politics and big business. I bet Trump will take to it like a fish getting transferred to another fish pond, that's all. And I bet Trump loves the challenge more than anything!

And the title of President, of course.

So he may be narcissist - what politician is in politics because there's nothing in it for him/her?

Even just to satisfy an ego? You think most candidates (if not all) don't do it for their ego, too?

Just because a billionaire wants to add the title "President" to his accomplishment doesn't make him different than the rest of them - except that the others are not all billionaires! They're all in it for their egos!

You guys....stop romanticizing politics! It isn't a stage drama play.

That's a big reason why I like the idea of Trump sitting in office. The USA never seem to make good deals with UN weasels that would actually benefit the USA!

Why do I care about the USA? They are our trading ally! We basically share the same values.

Whether we like it or not, we're umbilically tied to their economy!

And if ever s*** hits the fan, we're now dependent on their military!

"Frightening".....mentioned two times in one line?

How come liberals are now suddenly big time fear-mongers?

Edited March 30, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

Letting churches engage in political activities while still retaining charitable status is not going to 'empower' Christians. It's just going to confuse them.

I don't know much about the nitty gritty....but I love the "dream" - if that's just what it is.

One thing I do know - we've got the numbers. So why shouldn't we have a huge influence?

If Christians can put pressure on governments to do what is righteous in the eyes of God - we should.

That's part of our job as Christians.

Edited March 30, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

TimG, on 29 Mar 2016 - 9:16 PM, said:

If he invested his inheritance in the S&P index in the 1970s he would have more than he has today. I would say he is a mediocre businessman who did not blow his entire inheritance but should been able to do better given the risks he took.

How wonderfully charmed it is to be young, with a lot of cash to blow away.

What young man trying to prove himself never, ever gambled with his cash? At least, he did it trying to do business.

Entrepreneurship, is in his blood.

How many rich man's sons blew their inheritance partying and doing drugs? Creating mayhem?

I give him A for guts.

He's got the "cajones" - maybe that's what he refers to in his risque come-back to Rubio's crude joke?

Edited March 30, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

You guys keep harping about inheritance. Let's compare:

If young Trudeau isn't the son of his old man........with his qualification, does he truly have any chance in hell of

becoming a PM?

Trump inherited his father's billions. Trudeau inherited his father's position!

....at least Trump, had already proven himself as a businessman.

Edited March 30, 2016 by betsy

[cybercoma]

How anyone could be condescending about Trudeau teaching drama yet support a "reality" tv personality is beyond me. That's some pretzel-making cognitive dissonance if I've ever seen it.

[Topaz]

Trump clarified that he make his first million before his dad died and that he has 2 brothers and a sister that he shared with. He also did he learned a lot from his dad and that helped him become a billionaire today. Last night, he said his main goals is security for America, which includes the military, better trade deals and changes to NATO on the US side and bringing the country back to a better country like it used to be.

[betsy]

How anyone could be condescending about Trudeau teaching drama yet support a "reality" tv personality is beyond me. That's some pretzel-making cognitive dissonance if I've ever seen it.

Well....I'm showing the comparison. They're practically on the same boat! Except that Trump has a heads up.

I think between a drama teacher and a big-time business man who created thousands of jobs - Trump is by far the winner between the two, hands down, as to who has better qualifications to run a nation.

Anti-Trump here have been condescending about Trump and his lack of experience in politics, and his inheritance of billions.

Who are we to criticize? Aren't we quite so hypocritically funny....it's so satirically delicious.

Who can resist to point that out?

Edited March 30, 2016 by betsy

[kimmy]

A couple of news items pertaining to Trump's campaign...

..the first is that charges of simple battery have been filed against Trump's campaign manager Corey Lewandowski. The charges pertain to an incident involving a Breitbart reporter named Michelle Fields, who was grabbed by the arm and yanked away from a scrum hard enough to cause her bruises. The incident is minor. The incident isn't very interesting on its own. What's interesting is the resulting reaction at Breitbart, which ultimately led to Fields herself resigning, along with others at Breitbart including senior editor Ben Shapiro. They claim that Breitbart pressured Fields to shut up about the incident and attacked her for talking about it, suggesting that the website is trying to suppress information that's harmful to Trump's campaign.

The second is a war between the Trump and Cruz campaigns over the wives. It apparently started prior to the Utah primary when a pro-Cruz superpac released a racy photo from Milana Trump's modeling days, with the caption "Meet your next First Lady. ...Or, you could support Ted Cruz on Tuesday." This was apparently supposed to persuade prudish Mormons not to vote for Trump.

Trump responded by threatening to "spill the beans" on Heidi Cruz, and retweeting someone's unflattering photo of Heidi Cruz as contrasted with Mrs Trump. This is pretty ugly, and I'm not referring to Heidi Cruz's face.

-k

[betsy]

A couple of news items pertaining to Trump's campaign...

..the first is that charges of simple battery have been filed against Trump's campaign manager Corey Lewandowski. The charges pertain to an incident involving a Breitbart reporter named Michelle Fields, who was grabbed by the arm and yanked away from a scrum hard enough to cause her bruises. The incident is minor. The incident isn't very interesting on its own. What's interesting is the resulting reaction at Breitbart, which ultimately led to Fields herself resigning, along with others at Breitbart including senior editor Ben Shapiro. They claim that Breitbart pressured Fields to shut up about the incident and attacked her for talking about it, suggesting that the website is trying to suppress information that's harmful to Trump's campaign.

The second is a war between the Trump and Cruz campaigns over the wives. It apparently started prior to the Utah primary when a pro-Cruz superpac released a racy photo from Milana Trump's modeling days, with the caption "Meet your next First Lady. ...Or, you could support Ted Cruz on Tuesday." This was apparently supposed to persuade prudish Mormons not to vote for Trump.

Trump responded by threatening to "spill the beans" on Heidi Cruz, and retweeting someone's unflattering photo of Heidi Cruz as contrasted with Mrs Trump. This is pretty ugly, and I'm not referring to Heidi Cruz's face.

-k

It's not good that the Republicans had all descended into that kind of a fiasco. It's unbecoming.

It started with Romney coming out and started getting quite personal with his insults. Then Rubio came out with his crude joke. That has set the tone, and it spiralled down from there.

We can all see the desperation among the Republican establishment, and of course, the Democrats seem to know already the writing on the wall as who'll be the contender, thus both Clinton and Sanders are now aiming for Trump.

Political sabotage from insiders, is in there too...with the supposedly Communications Director quitting over Trump's remarks.

It's all politics, as dirty as it gets.

Edited March 30, 2016 by betsy

[msj]

Trump has done okay, I suppose, given all those trusts his dad set up for him and those connections his father had.

How many people would have the connections to have a $70 million loan guaranteed like Trump got from his father and the Hyatt Hotel chain in the '70's?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/03/trumps-false-claim-he-built-his-empire-with-a-small-loan-from-his-father/

[BubberMiley]

It's not good that the Republicans had all descended into that kind of a fiasco.

It started with Romney coming out and started getting quite personal with his insults. Then Rubio came out with his crude joke. That has set the tone, and it spiralled down from there.

I think Carly Fiorina would beg to differ about when it started. Edited March 30, 2016 by BubberMiley

[betsy]

I think Carly Fiorina would beg to differ about when it started.

Sorry, I don't know who Fiorina is.

[BubberMiley]

Sorry, I don't know who Fiorina is.

I'll help. She was also a candidate for the Republican nomination. Trump said her face made her unelectable. Edited March 30, 2016 by BubberMiley

[betsy]

I'll help. She was also a candidate for the Republican nomination. Trump said her face made her unelectable.

He took that back, and publicly said:

For the first time, Mr Trump looked dumb struck, and gave a smile that was almost coy: "She has a beautiful face and is a beautiful woman," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/11870645/Carly-Fiorina-faces-down-Donald-Trump-over-sexist-remarks-in-Republican-debate.html

[cybercoma]

Uh huh. Who are we to criticize politicians running for the highest office?

[segnosaur]

re: Carly Fiorina

I'll help. She was also a candidate for the Republican nomination. Trump said her face made her unelectable.

He took that back

Ummm... so? He still insulted her. Long before the comments made by Rubio.

Some people would rather have a president that doesn't make fun of physical attributes at all, rather than make an insult and have to apologize later.

And the thing is, that's not the only time Trump has taken the "low road". For example:

- He made references to Clinton's bathroom break during a democratic debate as "disgusting"

- He said that Clinton was "schlonged" (slang term referring to a penis) by Obama when they were competing for the democratic nomination

- Attacked a reporter with a statement that many thought was a reference to her menstruating. (Trump denies it of course, but the fact that he would make a comment that was vague enough to be interpreted that way doesn't look good.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/21/donald-trump-calls-hillary-clinton-disgusting-for-using-the-restroom-during-a-debate/

[BubberMiley]

He took that back, and publicly said:

Whatever. My point was your analysis that Romney started it was wrong. The fact you didn't even know who Carly Fiorina was suggests we should be suspicious of any further accounts of events you provide. You obviously aren't really paying very close attention.

[bush_cheney2004]

Trump has done okay, I suppose, given all those trusts his dad set up for him and those connections his father had.

How many people would have the connections to have a $70 million loan guaranteed like Trump got from his father and the Hyatt Hotel chain in the '70's?

He has certainly done better than The Right Honourable Justin P. J. Trudeau, who also had fatherly connections. Trump is still creating jobs in Canada (e.g. Vancouver).

[betsy]

Ummm... so? He still insulted her. Long before the comments made by Rubio.

Some people would rather have a president that doesn't make fun of physical attributes at all, rather than make an insult and have to apologize later.

And the thing is, that's not the only time Trump has taken the "low road". For example:

- He made references to Clinton's bathroom break during a democratic debate as "disgusting"

- He said that Clinton was "schlonged" (slang term referring to a penis) by Obama when they were competing for the democratic nomination

- Attacked a reporter with a statement that many thought was a reference to her menstruating. (Trump denies it of course, but the fact that he would make a comment that was vague enough to be interpreted that way doesn't look good.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/21/donald-trump-calls-hillary-clinton-disgusting-for-using-the-restroom-during-a-debate/

I never paid attention to the early days of the Republican race. I wasn't even interested in Trump.

I only took notice when news started saying he's surging, so I started listening to what he was saying (what few clips of news I get from our news channel).

He may be verbalizing too explicitly to the discomfort of others (especially when we're so used with political correctness), but I see his point. A black journalist had defended him on Meet The Press stating that his message is basically the same as any Republicans but that he says them too directly and explicitly. He doesn't mince with words.

Anyway....with all that being said, our own PM had taken the low road by meddling with the US Presidential race (re Trump).

Edited March 30, 2016 by betsy

[GostHacked]

How anyone could be condescending about Trudeau teaching drama yet support a "reality" tv personality is beyond me. That's some pretzel-making cognitive dissonance if I've ever seen it.

It's called trolling !!! Or stupidity, I can't tell anymore.

[betsy]

Whatever. My point was your analysis that Romney started it was wrong. The fact you didn't even know who Carly Fiorina was suggests we should be suspicious of any further accounts of events you provide. You obviously aren't really paying very close attention.

Read my reply to Segnasaur about the early days of the Republican race.

Trump's sensational delivery and fiery speeches were being seen more of a showmanship - that's how he's being considered.

He was like the comic relief in a serious movie. The media lapped it all up, and it backfired I suppose. Trump got a billion dollars worth of free media coverage.

The CBC news person covering the Florida primary had stated the sudden change about how people in Florida saw Trump in just a month. At first, Trump was treated like a caricature and not taken seriously - but two weeks before the primary, she said that there's only Trump in every discussion. The question was usually, Are you for Trump, or against Trump?

The other candidates' names were hardly mentioned anymore.

Romney did start it to really spiral downwards to this level now, when he entered the fray and delivered those personal attacks, followed by Rubio's referral to a penis....because they're supposed to be from the Republican establishment, all decorum and respectability - and look at them. They came down to that level!

Edited March 30, 2016 by betsy

[segnosaur]

Romney did start it to really spiral downwards to this level now

Uh, no, he didn't.

Trump started the "downward spiral" long before Romney opened his mouth to talk about Trump, long before Rubio started making comments about Trump's penis.

Trump started it by insulting Farina. (Even if later he "took it back", the fact is he still insulted her. And he started it by commenting on Hillary getting "Shlonged" by Obama. And by attacking journalists.

He also started it by talking about Rubio sweating way back in September.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/24/donald-trump-is-attacking-marco-rubio-for-being-sweaty-why/

All these events, all of these personal attacks by Trump, happened long before Romney made his comments. Long before Rubio made jokes about Trump's penis.

I never paid attention to the early days of the Republican race. I wasn't even interested in Trump.

Fine, but you know what? Its been pointed to you that you were wrong... that it was Trump that started engaging in low-brow personal attacks, and not Romney.

Now would be the appropriate time to acknowledge that you were wrong and move on.

I only took notice when news started saying he's surging, so I started listening to what he was saying (what few clips of news I get from our news channel).

He may be verbalizing too explicitly to the discomfort of others (especially when we're so used with political correctness)...

A leader of a country can and should be diplomatic; engaging in personal attacks is the opposite of that.

but I see his point. A black journalist had defended him on Meet The Press stating that his message is basically the same as any Republicans but that he says them too directly and explicitly.

Donald Trump said that he wants the U.S. to engage in War Crimes by killing babies. None of the other republicans have said that's a good idea.

Donald Trump said that he wants to get rid of trade deals like NAFTA. As far as I know, none of the other Republicans have called for ending NAFTA.

There may also be some similarities, but given the fact that its a republican primary, you would expect all members to have at least some similarity in policies. The trouble is, where the policies differ, Trump would be a complete disaster.