Canadians FEAR Trump...Big Time

[betsy]

I'll tell you straight up and risk suspension.......if you can't feel the passive mocking as opposed to interpreting it as defending the argument I pity you. The debate stopped multiple posts ago. That's all this site is......from our resident state controlled media expert.....to our favourite anti-melanin tax clerk......there are 3 posts of debate before someone is just feigning debate and begins mocking the opposition.

Mocks or not....I'm here to discuss. You guys, as far as I'm concerned, have given your arguments, which were all rebutted.

My responses are still effectively with reason! All arguments brought up (whether they're meant as so-called passive mocks), have been effectively dealt with.

Btw....why do you think I resort to all my signature smileys? Perhaps, I'm the one having fun with you?

Edited March 28, 2016 by betsy

[BubberMiley]

Guys.....when all of you start insisting to invoke the 10 Commandments, and insist on bringing religion into the mix -

you look very desperate. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The Bible is not the bottom of the barrel. It's a valid text that can teach us how to live in troubled times. I think when Christ said to "judge not", he was talking about your relations with your neighbours (and fellow posters) and wasn't referring to the electoral process.

[kimmy]

How come suddenly, religion matters? Isn't it the position of liberals to have the two -religion and state - separate?

People are pressing you on the religious angle because you've made it clear that your religious values are extremely important to you... so they are wondering why you would support somebody who seems to be at odds with those values.

-k

[betsy]

The Bible is not the bottom of the barrel. It's a valid text that can teach us how to live in troubled times. I think when Christ said to "judge not", he was talking about your relations with your neighbours (and fellow posters) and wasn't referring to the electoral process.

So tell me, what happened to the liberal position that religion and state, must remain separate?

As for Biblical teachings......I don't go by what you think. Sorry.

[betsy]

People are pressing you on the religious angle because you've made it clear that your religious values are extremely important to you... so they are wondering why you would support somebody who seems to be at odds with those values.

-k

True, my religious values are important to me.....and I've already explained my position on this. I think that's clear already.

So....perhaps you agree this is a good time for all of us to get right on topic about Trump?

If posters insist and want to make this personal about my own religious belief, and how I should conduct myself as a good Christian....shouldn't that be posted in Religion, or wherever deemed appropriate?

I think we've spent so many posts about me already......this topic is not about me. Agree?

Edited March 28, 2016 by betsy

[kimmy]

I certainly agree with that much.

-k

[betsy]

I certainly agree with that much.

-k

Thanks.

[BubberMiley]

So tell me, what happened to the liberal position that religion and state, must remain separate?

That doesn't mean you should vote for a murderer because the Bible says not to kill.

Not that I'm aware of Donald Trump killing anyone. It's a hypothetical point.

[bush_cheney2004]

People are pressing you on the religious angle because you've made it clear that your religious values are extremely important to you... so they are wondering why you would support somebody who seems to be at odds with those values.

Good, then we shall see identical support for pressing MLW members on their values and actions when supporting other issues (e.g. "Climate Change", Al Gore, David Suzuki, etc.)

If Canadians are afraid of Donald Trump because of personal behaviour(s), then they must surely be afraid of many American politicians, like President Bill Clinton....but wait...they're not...quite the opposite.

[msj]

Good, then we shall see identical support for pressing MLW members on their values and actions when supporting other issues (e.g. "Climate Change", Al Gore, David Suzuki, etc.)

If Canadians are afraid of Donald Trump because of personal behaviour(s), then they must surely be afraid of many American politicians, like President Bill Clinton....but wait...they're not...quite the opposite.

I see people on here all the time asking people about their personal values and why are they, for example, travelling, when they are so against climate change. One guy even followed another guy into a travel thread doing exactly that so this is nothing new.

As for being afraid of Trump: who's afraid of him? (Other than Establishment Republicans)

Yes, I disagree with most of his policies (as much as he does, apparently, depending on the day of the week), but who he sleeps with would not be a factor for getting/not getting my vote.

Since when does disagreeing with someone over policies, pointing out his public record of running a business into the ground, and thinking that he would be a poor leader equal "fear?"

[BubberMiley]

If Canadians are afraid of Donald Trump because of personal behaviour(s), then they must surely be afraid of many American politicians, like President Bill Clinton....but wait...they're not...quite the opposite.

That's true. You can't criticize someone's personal behaviour unless you criticize everyone's personal behaviour. Don't they realize this is a black and white issue and there is no room for these liberal shades of grey? It doesn't matter if Bill Clinton hasn't run for office in 20 years. You should still be criticizing him (but not Donald because you have to criticize Bill first!). Stupid Canadians. I'm going to have to spend more time worrying about them.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes, I disagree with most of his policies (as much as he does, apparently, depending on the day of the week), but who he sleeps with would not be a factor for getting/not getting my vote.

Irrelevant unless you are legally permitted to vote for or against him in a U.S. election.

Since when does disagreeing with someone over policies, pointing out his public record of running a business into the ground, and thinking that he would be a poor leader equal "fear?"

If it was not fear of being a "poor leader", then why be concerned at all ? Why care so much about who the Americans nominate or ultimately vote for president ? I'm not Canadian, so I don't understand the FEAR either....it is irrational and inconsistent.

[msj]

I don't think it is "fear."

I think it is a poorly framed poll.

People argue about differences all the time. Sometimes fear may be involved, most times its just differences.

Fine, lets make this a Canadian example:

Would I have liked Mulcair to be elected PM of Canada? No, certainly not. Not at election time and not now.

Did I "fear" him being elected?

No, not enough to prevent me from voting NDP as that was the only way to ensure the CPC candidate in my riding would not win (sort of like Andrew Coyne's vote but without the hate for government).

I think most people are like this.

Just because we disagree with some else, therefore making that other person an "idiot," just means we prefer our guy rather than the "idiot."

We all do this, what's the big deal?

This is not to say that some people should not fear Trump.

I think Romney is right to. I think David Frum has laid out his case too which I linked to way back when in this thread.

Which is why I hope Trump wins the nomination.

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't think it is "fear."

I think it is a poorly framed poll.

People argue about differences all the time. Sometimes fear may be involved, most times its just differences.

I agree that the poll has problems, but it is consistent with other Canadian reactions to Trump's antics (e.g. visitation bans, online petitions, etc.). Again, this is not consistent with actual economic benefits realized from Trump Holdings' businesses, or the actions of actual U.S. president policies (Obama, Keystone XL, border walls, NSA spying, etc.).

Fine, lets make this a Canadian example:

Would I have liked Mulcair to be elected PM of Canada? No, certainly not. Not at election time and not now.

Did I "fear" him being elected?

No, not enough to prevent me from voting NDP as that was the only way to ensure the CPC candidate in my riding would not win (sort of like Andrew Coyne's vote but without the hate for government).

I think most people are like this.

Others have expressed "fear", not just disapproval. It may not apply to you personally, but the dynamic is there for some people. Trump's rhetoric is a dog whistle for the usual suspects on both sides of the debate, and the fearful Canadians have responded spontaneously, followed by the Canadian PM. There is something more to it than just discussing politics.

Mulcair's NDP rise and fall did not invoke the same kind of passion in the United States.

Just because we disagree with some else, therefore making that other person an "idiot," just means we prefer our guy rather than the "idiot."

We all do this, what's the big deal?

This is not to say that some people should not fear Trump.

I think Romney is right to. I think David Frum has laid out his case too which I linked to way back when in this thread.

Which is why I hope Trump wins the nomination.

I don't care if Trump wins or not, but his candidacy is appealing from a political process perspective. He is not boring. I will continue to argue for his right to campaign as he sees fit, win or lose.

[rotary]

I agree that the poll has problems, but it is consistent with other Canadian reactions to Trump's antics (e.g. visitation bans, online petitions, etc.). Again, this is not consistent with actual economic benefits realized from Trump Holdings' businesses, or the actions of actual U.S. president policies (Obama, Keystone XL, border walls, NSA spying, etc.).

Others have expressed "fear", not just disapproval. It may not apply to you personally, but the dynamic is there for some people. Trump's rhetoric is a dog whistle for the usual suspects on both sides of the debate, and the fearful Canadians have responded spontaneously, followed by the Canadian PM. There is something more to it than just discussing politics.

Mulcair's NDP rise and fall did not invoke the same kind of passion in the United States.

I don't care if Trump wins or not, but his candidacy is appealing from a political process perspective. He is not boring. I will continue to argue for his right to campaign as he sees fit, win or lose.

He is actually quite boring. which is why Canadians have tuned him out. Mindless blather repeated over and over tends to turn thinking people off.

[bush_cheney2004]

He is actually quite boring. which is why Canadians have tuned him out. Mindless blather repeated over and over tends to turn thinking people off.

I think not, as Canada's state broadcaster keeps feeding stories and AP feeds to Canadians, like this one today:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/donald-trump-phone-interview-1.3509332

[bush_cheney2004]

Some rational Canadians are also interested in what Trump has to say about trade deficits, again eaten up and reported by the CBC state broadcaster:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/programs/metromorning/trade-deficits-1.3509342

[rotary]

I think not, as Canada's state broadcaster keeps feeding stories and AP feeds to Canadians, like this one today:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/donald-trump-phone-interview-1.3509332

I suspected you as being a Fox news fan. We find that (news) outlet just as boring as Trump. At least you're choice of losers are consistent.

[waldo]

Why care so much about who the Americans nominate or ultimately vote for president?

why (do YOU) care so much about who Canadians indirectly chose for Prime Minister? Why do you care so much - why is your 50K MLW post life so obsessed with anything/everything to do with Canada. Why is Canada... so important to you?

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[GostHacked]

Irrelevant unless you are legally permitted to vote for or against him in a U.S. election.

So why the focus on Canadians? I think we know the answer here.

[BubberMiley]

If posters insist and want to make this personal about my own religious belief, and how I should conduct myself as a good Christian....shouldn't that be posted in Religion, or wherever deemed appropriate?

I think we've spent so many posts about me already......this topic is not about me. Agree?

I'm sorry. You had brought in the off-topic discussion about why you support Trump and I was just asking questions. It seemed a legitimate contradiction that someone who has espoused Christian values would find him an exciting and agreeable candidate. Because, relating to the OP, I think the reason Canadians fear him so much is because he seems to lack the moral character and overall personality to be a good president. You can say that everybody has their faults, and that's true, but that's no reason to completely ignore obvious character flaws. I can see why you don't like Hilary. I'm not much of a fan either. But I would think you would be more on Team Cruz, considering he's the really scary candidate in this election.

Edited March 28, 2016 by BubberMiley

[betsy]

I'm sorry. You had brought in the off-topic discussion about why you support Trump and I was just asking questions. It seemed a legitimate contradiction that someone who has espoused Christian values would find him an exciting and agreeable candidate. Because, relating to the OP, I think the reason Canadians fear him so much is because he seems to lack the moral character and overall personality to be a good president. You can say that everybody has their faults, and that's true, but that's no reason to completely ignore obvious character flaws. I can see why you don't like Hilary. I'm not much of a fan either. But I would think you would be more on Team Cruz, considering he's the really scary candidate in this election.

I don't like Cruz. I'm tired of career politicians. I don't like Sanders either, because I don't want any socialist!

I like Trump for all the reasons I've already spelled out in my posts.

[waldo]

I don't like Sanders either, because I don't want any socialist!

I like Trump for all the reasons I've already spelled out in my posts.

and here I thought Sanders was a 'social democrat'... what is it about Sanders' positions you don't... "want"? Is is single payer healthcare? Is it paid sick leave? Is it free higher education tuition? Just what Sanders' positions would have you so enamored with a guy like Trump... do you think learning on the job is what the U.S. presidency requires? Why no Bernie for you... do tell, do tell.

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[betsy]

Because, relating to the OP, I think the reason Canadians fear him so much is because he seems to lack the moral character and overall personality to be a good president.

Don't talk to me about moral character!

Before we point our accusing finger at Trump, accusing him of how little he knows........ Canadians has something serious to be concerned about when Trudeau showed how ill-informed he is!

Justin Trudeau's 'foolish' China remarks spark anger

'It seems to be that he's not well-informed,' Asian-Canadian says of Liberal leader

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/justin-trudeau-s-foolish-china-remarks-spark-anger-1.2421351

While attending a ladies’ night fundraiser in 2013, Trudeau was asked what country’s administration he most admires. His response, somewhat peculiarly, was the one-party regime of China.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/20/flashback-new-canadian-pm-praised-using-dictatorship-to-impose-environmentalism/#ixzz44EbLBfta

Another thing both Obama and Trudeau have in common: they both love sucking up to dictators, and human rights violators!

Edited March 28, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

and here I thought Sanders was a 'social democrat'... what is it about Sanders' positions you don't... "want"? Is is single payer healthcare? Is it paid sick leave? Is it free higher education tuition? Just what Sanders' positions would have you so enamored with a guy like Trump... do you think learning on the job is what the U.S. presidency requires? Why no Bernie for you... do tell, do tell.

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Do your math!