bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Does anyone know if the mixed use Trump condo-tower is going to complete this year (2016) in Vancouver ? This is another example of irrational and inconsistent FEAR and hatred for Donald Trump. Trump is partnering with developers in Canada, creating jobs and economic growth....ban that. http://trumpvancouver.com/ Edited March 27, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Macadoo Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Eh? How did you come to that? Anyway....never mind. Well you are convinced that Trump's multiple bankruptcies should have no bearing on his suitability to be President as that would be like being prejudicial of those who are seasonal pogey grifters......you then would have no hesitation voting for a seasonal logger for Prime Minister. It has no bearing on his ability to inspire/lead right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 oh my! The Washington Post just recently released the full transcript of its interview with Donald Trump... the guy with his, 'small hands', potentially on the nuclear trigger - now... that's presidential! And I have to say this, he hit my hands no one has ever hit my hands. Look at those hands, are those small hands? And he referred to my hands as if they’re small, something else may be small. I guarantee to you there’s no problem, I guarantee! No, I had to do it. Look, this guy. Here’s my hands. Now I have my hands, I hear, on the New Yorker, a picture of my hands.A hand with little fingers coming out of a stem. Like, little. Look at my hands. They’re fine. Nobody other than Graydon Carter years ago used to use that. My hands are normal hands. During a debate, he was losing, and he said, “Oh, he has small hands and therefore, you know what that means.” This was not me. This was Rubio that said, “He has small hands and you know what that means.” Okay? So, he started it. So, what I said a couple of days later … and what happened is I was on line shaking hands with supporters, and one of supporters got up and he said, “Mr. Trump, you have strong hands. You have good-sized hands.” And then another one would say, “You have great hands, Mr. Trump, I had no idea.” I said, “What do you mean?” He said, “I thought you were like deformed, and I thought you had small hands.” I had fifty people … Is that a correct statement? I mean people were writing, “How are Mr. Trump’s hands?” My hands are fine. You know, my hands are normal. Slightly large, actually. In fact, I buy a slightly smaller than large glove, okay? No, but I did this because everybody was saying to me, “Oh, your hands are very nice. They are normal.” So Rubio, in a debate, said, because he had nothing else to say … now I was hitting him pretty hard. He wanted to do his Don Rickles stuff and it didn’t work out. Obviously, it didn’t work too well. But one of the things he said was “He has small hands and therefore, you know what that means, he has small something else.” You can look it up. I didn’t say it.I don’t want people to go around thinking that I have a problem. I’m telling you, Ruth, I had so many people. I would say 25, 30 people would tell me … every time I’d shake people’s hand, “Oh, you have nice hands.” Why shouldn’t I? And, by the way, by saying that I solved the problem. Nobody questions … I even held up my hands, and said, “Look, take a look at that hand.”And by saying that, I solved the problem. Nobody questions. Everyone held my hand. I said look. Take a look at that hand.I don’t know if it was presidential, honestly, whether it is or not. He said, ‘Donald Trump has small hands and therefore he has small something else.’ I didn’t say that. And all I did is when he failed, when he was failing, when he was, when Christie made him look bad, I gave him the– a little recap and I said, and I said, and I had this big strong powerful hand ready to grab him, because I thought he was going to faint. And everybody took it fine. Whether it was presidential or not I can’t tell you. I can just say that what he said was a lie. And everybody, they wanted to do stories on my hands; after I said that, they never did. And then I held up the hand, I showed people the hand. You know, when I’ve got a big audience. So yeah, I think it’s not a question of presidential … . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 U.S. presidents who have filed for bankruptcy...looks like Donald Trump would be in great company: Abraham Lincoln Thomas Jefferson William McKinley Ulysses Grant http://bankruptcy.kansasjustice.com/overview/us-presidents-filed-bankruptcy/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 U.S. presidents who have filed for bankruptcy...looks like Donald Trump would be in great company: Abraham Lincoln Thomas Jefferson William McKinley Ulysses Grant http://bankruptcy.kansasjustice.com/overview/us-presidents-filed-bankruptcy/ why those wambulance chasing lawyers who close with: "Bankruptcy is a resource that can help you get back on your feet and give you a fresh start if you, like these Presidents, find yourself in over your head. Call us today to learn what your options are!" now, I appreciate this appears as a most sensitive point for you in your fevered support for Trump; however, notwithstanding particulars from the 1700s/1800s might just be a tad different than today... a quick skim on those summations speaks to actually paying off debts owed... debts beholden to, for example, co-signing or embezzlement - not just relinquishing assets, restructuring and giving it another go! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 How do you know others didn't benefit at all? Assumption doesn't make it necessarily true, either. In the context of my post where the only public record of him running a business I think it is fair to say that he benefitted himself first and the shareholders last. We know, of course, that he benefits bankruptcy lawyers and accountants for his other corporations too, so there is that. Which is to say that his public record for running a business is terrible and even his private record is bad too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 In the context of my post where the only public record of him running a business I think it is fair to say that he benefitted himself first and the shareholders last. Does your expertise on U.S. bankruptcies have an example where shareholders ever benefited first ? Or is this just a flaw for Donald Trump ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Does your expertise on U.S. bankruptcies have an example where shareholders ever benefited first ? Ask Betsy since she's the one who thinks Trump is a good businessman and thinks he has benefitted others despite the evidence to the contrary. Yes, I do admit that Trump has benefited bankruptcy accountants and lawyers so there is that. Which still runs contrary, along with publicly available evidence from the one time Trump ran a public corporation, to her claim that he's a good businessman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Yes, I do admit that Trump has benefited bankruptcy accountants and lawyers so there is that. And bankruptcy law, because shareholders are the last paid for Chapter 11 / Chapter 7 filings. Here is the pecking order, and it was not invented by Donald Trump: 1) Secured creditors 2) Unsecured creditors 3) Shareholders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Never claimed he invented anything. In fact, I doubt he would be capable of inventing anything. Based on his public record of running a public company into the ground found here http://www.marketwatch.com/story/donald-trump-was-a-stock-market-disaster-2015-07-22 I doubt very much that he is capable of much of anything. Once again, this is about Betsy's claim that Trump has knack for business. Sure he does, but it's a knack with a terrible public record. Edited March 28, 2016 by msj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Once again, this is about Betsy's claim that Trump has knack for business. Sure he does, but it's a knack with a terrible public record. The claim is correct...Trump does have success (and failure) in business. He has created far more jobs than Trudeau...even in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Yep, keep moving those goal posts. This is about Trump's laughable public record of running a public company into the ground: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/donald-trump-was-a-stock-market-disaster-2015-07-22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Yep, keep moving those goal posts. This is about Trump's laughable public record of running a public company into the ground: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/donald-trump-was-a-stock-market-disaster-2015-07-22 So what ? There is more to Trump Holdings than failed hotel/casinos. Trump takes risks with successes and failures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Ha! Claim that Trump is a successful businessman and that's just a ok. But challenge the lies behind such a claim and show that he is as much of a "loser" as he likes to call other people losers and it becomes "so what [if he's a loser]". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Claim that Trump is a successful businessman and that's just a ok. But challenge the lies behind such a claim and show that he is as much of a "loser" as he likes to call other people losers and it becomes "so what [if he's a loser]". Trump has been a "winner" and a "loser".....so what's wrong with that ? That's what happens to risk takers. Trump has come back from several failures, a valued trait for some people/voters. He is "winning" the delegate count as of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Nothing wrong with try, try, try, try, try again. But why the need for his supporters to try and cover up for him being a "loser" at least if he was applying his own standards against himself in an objective way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Nothing wrong with try, try, try, try, try again. But why the need for his supporters to try and cover up for him being a "loser" at least if he was applying his own standards against himself in an objective way? Same reason they do it for Trudeau I would think. On balance, Trump has been a success. Voters will decide if he gets a shot at president, not his business record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Oh, I hope so. Would love to see another 3 terms of Democratic Presidents post Trump's loss in November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Oh, I hope so. Would love to see another 3 terms of Democratic Presidents post Trump's loss in November. Will happen regardless of what you hope. Winners....and losers. Trump is just happy to be in the game. Edited March 28, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotary Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Same reason they do it for Trudeau I would think. On balance, Trump has been a success. Voters will decide if he gets a shot at president, not his business record. Yeah but Trump has already claimed he's not a politician, so why's he bothering to bring US politics to such a new low? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 more gems in the just released transcript from the Washington Post Trump interview... #TrumpPivots, #TrumpTheGreatCommunicator Trump refuses to answer direct questions; chooses to deflect/"pivot" by speaking to the physical looks of the questioner/editorial board: -Trump responded to a question about his campaign rhetoric regarding Muslims by telling the editorial board member asking the question that she was beautiful - Trump is asked a question about whether he would attack the ISIS terrorist group with nuclear weapons... he responds by telling the editorial board they are a "very good looking group of people". When pressed to answer the question, Trump again refuses to answer the question directly and states, "I’ll tell you one thing, this is a very good looking group of people here. Could I just go around so I know who the hell I’m talking to?" what kind of Americans would support such a dimwit? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Yeah but Trump has already claimed he's not a politician, so why's he bothering to bring US politics to such a new low? Because it's not a new low....here's one from 1884: "Ma, Ma, Where's my Pa, Gone to the White House, Ha, Ha, Ha" - James Blaine Refers to the out of wedlock child Grover Cleveland allegedly had fathered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotary Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Because it's not a new low....here's one from 1884: "Ma, Ma, Where's my Pa, Gone to the White House, Ha, Ha, Ha" - James Blaine Refers to the out of wedlock child Grover Cleveland allegedly had fathered. And you wonder why we prefer our system? But we did certainly appreciate access to the three stooges back when that type of humor was still funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 And you wonder why we prefer our system? But we did certainly appreciate access to the three stooges back when that type of humor was still funny. No, I don't wonder at all...it's Canada's system. It may come as a surprise that other nations have different political systems and election processes. Donald Trump is a candidate for U.S. president, not a lifetime monarch and head-of-state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotary Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 No, I don't wonder at all...it's Canada's system. It may come as a surprise that other nations have different political systems and election processes. Donald Trump is a candidate for U.S. president, not a lifetime monarch and head-of-state. Trump is at best a hopeful candidate. Our head of state signs whatever laws we send her after we approve them through our own parliamentary system. You have a congress which thwarts the wishes of your elected government. Apparently you can't really decide what you want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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