Donald vs Hillary

[cybercoma]

13 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

What if Clinton admitted to it? Would you believe her?

We don't have to play the what if game with Trump.

[Wilber]

TMZ did some research and found out Braniff first class seats at that time did have removable armrests and printed the page from the aircraft manual that describes how to remove them. You just lifted them up.

TMZ

 

Meanwhile Trump's alleged witness to what happened on that flight was.

This guy

 

Stoynoff's story has been backed up by her former.

Journalism Professor

People close to Leeds and Crooks also confirmed that they discussed  their experiences with Trump just after they happened.

There can be little doubt that they and others decided not to go public at the time for the same reasons as Stoynoff.

 

Trump will not sue anyone now, partly  because media organizations like the NYT are not afraid of him but mostly because of

This

My guess is the NYT is right now going. Please, Please, Please, Pleeeeeees sue us.

Edited October 16, 2016 by Wilber
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[betsy]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Gee, maybe because the fornicating adulterous sinner who has replaced Jesus in your life made the entire previous debate about adultery and sexual harassment and then piously announced he had never done any? You don't think some of the women who he victimized might be just a little outraged at that?

   Judging anyone's sins is not my business.  

 

It's his platform that I like.  As one woman on Meet The Press had stated ...."I'd rather be offended by Trump than be left for dead by Hillary!"  A lot of women like Trump's policy for change!

The timing of these women accusers of Trump leaves me - and anyone who looks at this with an open mind - skeptical.  Especially when we throw in the factor how the Clinton campaign works deviously to smear anyone (like Obama as an example), and mainstream media are all against Trump.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2016 by betsy

[taxme]

On ‎2016‎-‎10‎-‎11 at 9:09 AM, Hal 9000 said:

13 minutes ago, betsy said:

   Judging anyone's sins is not my business.  

 

It's his platform that I like.  As one woman on Meet The Press had stated ...."I'd rather be offended by Trump than be left for dead by Hillary!"  A lot of women like Trump's policy for change!

The timing of these women accusers of Trump leaves me - and anyone who looks at this with an open mind - skeptical.  Especially when we throw in the factor how the Clinton campaign works deviously to smear anyone (like Obama as an example), and mainstream media are all against Trump.

 

 

Who would've guessed that a country with 350 million people would be deciding between a reality star without a lick of experience and a woman leading an organized crime syndicate.

The globalist elite establishment are in a panic and are doing whatever they can to try and convince Americans that Trump will be a disaster for them. Well the last few Presidents have been pretty much a disaster for Americans already. Just how worse can Trump be? Listening to some of the stories that her own security detail and what she has said to them would be enough for me to want to let her go on out there on her own without any security. Hillary has no respect for anybody. She is a witch as far as I am concerned. Don't believe me well there is always the internet to learn about how wonderful Hillary really is. And I guess that there are those out there that would say that I am against old Hillary because I prefer Trump. Nope, not that at all. It is because the internet has told me something different about Hillary to what the fake lame duck media corporate elite wanted me to believe about good old caring Hillary. The corporate media is full of it.

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[kimmy]

2 hours ago, cybercoma said:

There's also the fact that people don't come forward when they feel like nobody will believe them or listen. They were also probably terrified of Trump because look at how he bullies and threatens everyone who so much as reprints his own bloody words. Maybe.....just maybe, they felt empowered now that the spotlight was on him being a sexual predator. Maybe now they felt people would believe them and that they'd be safe coming forward because he himself admitted to it. Betsy and Trump supporters are being ludicrous. There's never a "good" time to come forward and admit publicly that someone has raped you, especially against a celebrity. If people can't even admit privately that these things happen, it must be infinitely harder to admit it when all eyes are on you.

Indeed. As with Bill Cosby. It's intimidating for one person to stand up against somebody rich and powerful, but when someone makes a stand and others join in, more people feel empowered. It's possible that some of these allegations aren't true, but considering Trump's long-standing reputation and his own words, I don't understand why Trump supporters are so quick to dismiss them.

 -k

[cybercoma]

8 minutes ago, kimmy said:

It's possible that some of these allegations aren't true

 -k

I want to point out that I absolutely agree with you on this point. Some of them may not be true. He's certainly a target for fraudulent claims because he's so public. However, I have absolutely no idea how someone could read the transcript of Summer Zervos's allegations and think that these are fabrications. She's far too specific and far too conciliatory to him in her remarks to be lying. She's also a Republican, so it's very hard to imagine this is some Democrat smear campaign.

[kimmy]

Trump: "Grab them by the pussy."

Trump supporters: "He wouldn't really do that! It's just locker room talk."

Trump's accusers: "He groped my genitals, just like he said in the tape."

Trump supporters: "They're LYING to make our Donald look bad!"
 

 

Trump to Howard Stern: "I'll go backstage before a show, and everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else. You know, no men are anywhere. And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant. And therefore I'm inspecting it... Is everyone OK? You know, they're standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that."

Former Miss Teen USA contestants: "He walked into the dressing room when we were changing! We were naked! We didn't even have a chance to put on a robe or anything!"

Trump supporters: "They're LYING to make our Donald look bad!"

 

Trump supporters: "Hillary was vicious and cruel to Hillary's accusers! We're offended that she disrespected and intimidated those women!"

Trump's accusers: "He groped my genitals, just like he said in the tape."

Trump supporters: "Those women are LIARS! They're GOLD DIGGERS! They're WHORES! He should sue them for MILLIONS and make them shut up!!"

A few weeks ago Trump supporters were telling us that Bill's infidelities were relevant because of how Hillary treated the accusers... she was mean to them and so-on.  Now Trump supporters are so sympathetic to women who claim to be victims of sexual assault that they're terrorizing Trump's accusers in their own homes.

 -k

[Argus]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

   Judging anyone's sins is not my business.  

 

It's his platform that I like.  As one woman on Meet The Press had stated ...."I'd rather be offended by Trump than be left for dead by Hillary!"  A lot of women like Trump's policy for change!

Trump doesn't have a platform. It's interesting you failed to notice that. A policy is something put together with the aid of experts in the field and involves something called "details". "I'll bring jobs to middle America!" is not a policy, it's a sales pitch. "I'll destroy ISIS!" is not a policy. "I'll bring back law and order!" is not a policy. The only policy Trump has fleshed out at all is building a wall to keep Mexicans out and destroying America's trade relationship with the world, which would cost more jobs than it saved. Oh, and of course, he wants to drastically cut taxes on the wealthy. Yeah, great policy.

[BubberMiley]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

   Judging anyone's sins is not my business. 

Other than Bill Clinton. In which case, you judge Hillary to be responsible.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

The globalist elite establishment are in a panic and are doing whatever they can to try and convince Americans that Trump will be a disaster for them.

Trump is doing whatever he can to convince Americans that he would be a disaster to them. Then again, Trump is a member of that globalist elite so...

[cybercoma]

The most dangerous thing Trump has done is claim that the election is rigged. Democracies only exist because the losers concede, sometimes begrudgingly, but always willingly and peacefully to the will of the people. If they don't, it calls into question everything else. Political scientist, Shaun Bowler writes:

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In the aftermath of a loss, there is plenty of kindling for irresponsible politicians to set fire to. They could stoke the feelings that remain temporary in ordinary times, transforming them into civic unrest and even civil disobedience. Most politicians who lose elections recognize this potential for mischief, and so they ordinarily make a creditable run at helping to keep matters calm.

A textbook example is provided by President George Bush Sr., whose concession speech included the following statement: “Here’s the way we see it and the country should see it—that the people have spoken and we respect the majesty of the democratic system. I just called Gov. Clinton over in Little Rock and offered my congratulations. He did run a strong campaign.”

In making this statement, President Bush signaled that the election was over and he lost fair and square.

Donald Trump is doing something nobody has ever done. He's calling into question the very foundation of democracy in America. Even Al Gore, who won the popular vote and had a very good reason to challenge the court decision not to continue the Florida recount, accepted defeat to Bush Jr. Donald Trump is such a narcissist that he's willing to utterly destroy democracy as he loses.

[Hal 9000]

Hillary is corrupt, how anyone can deny that is truly worrisome...and she has the media, the IRS, the DOJ and now the FBI covering for her.  This is the most dangerous scenario any country can face and all people will talk about is Trump allegedly giving unwanted kisses to women 10-35 years ago.   

[TimG]

14 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Hillary is corrupt, how anyone can deny that is truly worrisome...and she has the media, the IRS, the DOJ and now the FBI covering for her.  This is the most dangerous scenario any country can face and all people will talk about is Trump allegedly giving unwanted kisses to women 10-35 years ago.   

Any other candidate and those problems would matter. With an ignorant vindictive narcissist like Trump as her opponent many people cannot afford to care about Hillary's issues.

 

[Hal 9000]

3 minutes ago, TimG said:

Any other candidate and those problems would matter. With an ignorant vindictive narcissist like Trump as her opponent many people cannot afford to care about Hillary's issues.

 

People can't afford to care about selling favours to Arab nations for personal profit or leaving Haiti in ruins because the Clintons sold contracts to their buddies?  And all because Trump may or may not have kissed somebody inappropriately 20 years ago?  Really?

[Cum Laude]

1 hour ago, kimmy said:

Trump: "Grab them by the pussy."

Trump supporters: "He wouldn't really do that! It's just locker room talk."

Trump's accusers: "He groped my genitals, just like he said in the tape."

Trump supporters: "They're LYING to make our Donald look bad!"
 

 

Trump to Howard Stern: "I'll go backstage before a show, and everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else. You know, no men are anywhere. And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant. And therefore I'm inspecting it... Is everyone OK? You know, they're standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that."

Former Miss Teen USA contestants: "He walked into the dressing room when we were changing! We were naked! We didn't even have a chance to put on a robe or anything!"

Trump supporters: "They're LYING to make our Donald look bad!"

 

Trump supporters: "Hillary was vicious and cruel to Hillary's accusers! We're offended that she disrespected and intimidated those women!"

Trump's accusers: "He groped my genitals, just like he said in the tape."

Trump supporters: "Those women are LIARS! They're GOLD DIGGERS! They're WHORES! He should sue them for MILLIONS and make them shut up!!"

A few weeks ago Trump supporters were telling us that Bill's infidelities were relevant because of how Hillary treated the accusers... she was mean to them and so-on.  Now Trump supporters are so sympathetic to women who claim to be victims of sexual assault that they're terrorizing Trump's accusers in their own homes.

 -k

The Clinton campaign was in touch with Department of Justice officials regarding the release of her emails.

Brian Fallon, Mrs. Clinton’s spokesman and former Justice Department staffer, appeared to have discussions with sources inside the DOJ about ongoing open records lawsuits requesting access to her emails while serving as secretary of state. In an email from May 2015, Mr. Fallon said that “DOJ folks” had “informed” him about the upcoming status conference in one of the lawsuits.

[kimmy]

41 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Hillary is corrupt, how anyone can deny that is truly worrisome...and she has the media, the IRS, the DOJ and now the FBI covering for her.  This is the most dangerous scenario any country can face and all people will talk about is Trump allegedly giving unwanted kisses to women 10-35 years ago.   

 

6 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

People can't afford to care about selling favours to Arab nations for personal profit or leaving Haiti in ruins because the Clintons sold contracts to their buddies?  And all because Trump may or may not have kissed somebody inappropriately 20 years ago?  Really?

If you're so concerned about corruption, how can you endorse a scam artist like Trump? He's ripped of thousands of people for thousands of dollars apiece with his fake university. He's ripped off thousands of investors for thousands of dollars with his company. He's exploited bankruptcy loopholes to rip off contractors and builders for their work on his projects, paying them pennies on the dollar. He's used his fake charity to buy sports memorabilia and portraits of himself and to pay legal expenses for his for-profit businesses and to write cheques to politicians as bribes.  His whole "empire" is built on scam artistry and using the system to rip off suckers.

And also, why do you keep trying to minimize criticism of Trump? "Oh, so he said mean things about Rosie O'Donnell one time, big deal." "Oh, so he tried to kiss somebody, who cares?" As if that's all he's accused of. Even if he had the sexual mores of a monk and the etiquette of Queen Elizabeth II, he'd still be a loathesome, contemptible individual.

 -k

[TimG]

1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said:

People can't afford to care about selling favours to Arab nations for personal profit or leaving Haiti in ruins because the Clintons sold contracts to their buddies?  And all because Trump may or may not have kissed somebody inappropriately 20 years ago?  Really?

No. Not just because Trump admits he is guilty of sexual assault. 

Andrew Coyne put it:

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"The actual Republican nominee is a man who has shown himself unfit, not just for high office, but for any office; not just in his abilities as a leader, but in his qualities as a man; not just occasionally, but on every day of the campaign. He is not just deficient in this or that respect — knowledge, experience, judgment, tact, decency, integrity, leadership, policy — but utterly lacking in all."

The US could elect a dog as president and the dog would be better able to perform the job.

For me the tipping point was awhile ago when I started reading stories about how Trump would systematically refuse to pay contractors after the work was complete based on the premise that these relatively small companies could not afford to fight him in court. He would demand that they reduce their price by 25% if they wanted to avoid a court battle. Trump clearly sees such grossly unethical actions as 'taking the opportunity to negotiate a better deal'. I see them as the mark of a fundamentally dishonest person who does not believe he is obligated to live up to the terms of the deals  he signs because he is rich.

I can't understand why anyone would think that Trump should be president.

 

 

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, TimG said:

 

 

Trump clearly sees such grossly unethical actions as 'taking the opportunity to negotiate a better deal'. I see them as the mark of a fundamentally dishonest person who does not believe he is obligated to live up to the terms of the deals  he signs because he is rich.

I can't understand why anyone would think that Trump should be president.

Maybe it's because Trump is promising to wield his power in the same ruthless manner as he does his wealth.

Edited October 16, 2016 by eyeball

[TimG]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Maybe it's because Trump is promising to wield his power in the same ruthless manner as he does his wealth.

Why would people vote for someone who would ruthlessly use the presidential office to enrich himself and settle personal scores?

[Hal 9000]

10 minutes ago, kimmy said:

 

If you're so concerned about corruption, how can you endorse a scam artist like Trump? He's ripped of thousands of people for thousands of dollars apiece with his fake university. He's ripped off thousands of investors for thousands of dollars with his company. He's exploited bankruptcy loopholes to rip off contractors and builders for their work on his projects, paying them pennies on the dollar. He's used his fake charity to buy sports memorabilia and portraits of himself and to pay legal expenses for his for-profit businesses and to write cheques to politicians as bribes.  His whole "empire" is built on scam artistry and using the system to rip off suckers.

And also, why do you keep trying to minimize criticism of Trump? "Oh, so he said mean things about Rosie O'Donnell one time, big deal." "Oh, so he tried to kiss somebody, who cares?" As if that's all he's accused of. Even if he had the sexual mores of a monk and the etiquette of Queen Elizabeth II, he'd still be a loathesome, contemptible individual.

 -k

 I can't believe that you people don't understand the implications of a government giving favours in exchange for money.  It's inconceivable really!

[bush_cheney2004]

10 minutes ago, TimG said:

Why would people vote for someone who would ruthlessly use the presidential office to enrich himself and settle personal scores?

 

Because they want to.   Why would someone vote for the candidate who has actually done such things while in elected and appointed office ?

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, TimG said:

Why would people vote for someone who would ruthlessly use the presidential office to enrich himself and settle personal scores?

They're expecting he'll use it to keep out immigrants, renegotiate trade deals, screw Iran and likewise settle America's scores. 

[Hal 9000]

11 minutes ago, TimG said:

Why would people vote for someone who would ruthlessly use the presidential office to enrich himself and settle personal scores?

Except, there is no evidence that Trump would do that whereas there is documented proof that the Clintons have.  See Haiti.

[TimG]

7 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Except, there is no evidence that Trump would do that whereas there is documented proof that the Clintons have.  See Haiti.

Trump has publicly stated he will start a witch hunt into Clinton's handling of the emails with the objective of putting her in jail despite the fact that careless handling of classified material (as opposed deliberate release and/or sale) typically results in someone being fired and having their clearance revoked.

Trump has stated that he wants to change liability law so he can more effectively use his money to silence critics.

Trump wants to modify banking regulations in a way that allows his business to have better access to borrowed funds.

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They're expecting he'll use it to keep out immigrants, renegotiate trade deals, screw Iran and likewise settle America's scores. 

 

That's true....some people get very fired up about illegals.    Legal immigrants are welcomed....illegals >  GET OUT !