Donald vs Hillary

cybercoma · September 16, 2016

It doesn't matter what your preference is. Americans will vote for whoever they want and they don't care who the Canadian Prime Minister is. /bush_cheney2004

betsy · September 16, 2016

There is a hidden support for Trump. A lot of people don't want to make their choice public (for whatever reasons they may have).

Dems want to label Trump supporters as racists and bigots, what with her latest branding of "deplorables."

Muslims and Latinos, and other visible minorities who shares the same views as Trump would understandably prefer to remain anonymous.

Allies of Trump, who trails Clinton in most polls, argue that there is a secret, silent bloc out there that supports him and is not showing up in polls. Pollsters counter that their surveys are accurately measuring support for all the candidates.

Either way, there’s little doubt that many Trump backers are skittish about going public.

Dennis Berwyn, a Raleigh research analyst, estimated he’s knocked on 2,000 doors in northeastern Wake County in recent weeks as he campaigns for a local candidate. People invite him into their living rooms, and occasionally they quietly assure him they’re with Trump.

“They tell me they won’t say that publicly,” he said. “It’s because of this environment that’s come from the mainstream media.”

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article98915057.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article98915057.html

Edited September 16, 2016 by betsy

cybercoma · September 17, 2016

Trump's support is not hidden at all. His support comes primarily from uneducated white men. Everyone else appropriately thinks he's an idiot.

All of these "hidden voters" were voting for Romney too. It's wishful thinking.

?Impact · September 17, 2016

All of these "hidden voters" were voting for Romney too.

Trump makes Clinton look good.

Trump makes Romney look good.

Argus · September 17, 2016

Trump makes Clinton look good.

Trump makes Romney look good.

Trump makes Bush look good.

Smoke · September 17, 2016

Trump's support is not hidden at all. His support comes primarily from uneducated white men. Everyone else appropriately thinks he's an idiot.

All of these "hidden voters" were voting for Romney too. It's wishful thinking.

Uneducated white men will have their say, as will uneducated women, blacks, hispanics and even uneducated progressives. Educated people will also have a say. Insulting Trump voters from another country will not change a thing, but if it allows your chest to swell in front of the members here, well then knock yourself out!

Edited September 17, 2016 by Smoke

capricorn · September 17, 2016

Uneducated ....

That's code for backward, redneck and corn pipe smoking lowlifes. It's not hard to figure out where progressives are coming from on this front.

cybercoma · September 17, 2016

That's code for backward, redneck and corn pipe smoking lowlifes. It's not hard to figure out where progressives are coming from on this front.

It's not code for anything. It's the demographic that supports him. People with college/university educations are far less likely to support him. That's just a fact backed up by data.

bush_cheney2004 · September 17, 2016

It is code for the smug elitists....code for the same disdain expressed by Obama for bibles and guns.

capricorn · September 18, 2016

It's not code for anything. It's the demographic that supports him. People with college/university educations are far less likely to support him. That's just a fact backed up by data.

The implicit message you're advancing is that the vote cast by people with college/university education is more valuable/valued than people who vote for Trump and who do not have a commensurate education. You are an elitist.

cybercoma · September 18, 2016

If stating a fact about the education of Trump supporters makes me an elitist, so be it. You can throw insults and pejoratives around all day. That won't make Trump's supporters any more educated. And shame on you for dismissing education. This is a seriously disastrous problem when it comes to choosing political leadership. You anti-intellectual types are literally destroying society by promoting uneducated emotion-based policy-deficient post-truth politics. All because you're suffering some bizarre inferiority complex when it comes to education.

The_Squid · September 18, 2016

Smart people saying smart things = "elitist"...

Hmmm.... That's quite an insult...

bush_cheney2004 · September 18, 2016

Voting rights in the United States have evolved explicitly to be more inclusive for those without higher education and socio-economic power. By insulting and attempting to disenfranchise those who do not meet elitist "smart people" standards, Clinton and her "supporters" also disparage voters who may want to vote for her. I guess their "stupid" votes are quite welcomed.

sharkman · September 18, 2016

Good point BC. I love it when elitists moan about gods and guns, you know they're pining for Eugenics to make a come back.

Edited September 18, 2016 by sharkman

Smoke · September 18, 2016

Guess the elitists can't put two and two together and realize this is exactly why Trump has supporters.

betsy · September 18, 2016

If stating a fact about the education of Trump supporters makes me an elitist, so be it. You can throw insults and pejoratives around all day. That won't make Trump's supporters any more educated. And shame on you for dismissing education. This is a seriously disastrous problem when it comes to choosing political leadership. You anti-intellectual types are literally destroying society by promoting uneducated emotion-based policy-deficient post-truth politics. All because you're suffering some bizarre inferiority complex when it comes to education.

You point to these educated people like as if their education makes all the difference - well it doesn't! People make their choices for their own reasons.

One can have all the education he wants to have.....but if one can't use his logic.....or understand the implication of a statement....all that education is wasted! Just look at the way the point have sailed over your head.

Stop for a minute and think hard why - with all the insulting rhetorics the media and Hillary supporters say about Trump and his supporters - would it be farfetched to say that there are hidden Trump votes?

What more when Latinos and Muslims (and other ethnic folks) who agree with Trump, will be going against their own kind? Some are afraid.

No protesters were in sight, but some of the people mingling at the bar still insisted on some ground rules for their protection.

“I don’t want to put my face out to the public showing that I am for Trump,” Rachel Larrea, a 44-year-old real estate agent from Coral Gables, told POLITICO a few moments after she refused another reporter’s request to record a video interview about why, as a lifelong Democrat, she was now ready to pull the lever for a Republican named Trump.

“For safety reasons,” she explained. “There’s a lot of crazy people out there these days.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-hispanic-voters-224789

A lot of immigrants have fled tyranny and environment of crimes. They know when to shut up and hunker down.

They know and understand the elements involved, since they've lived with them.

Living in the USA doesn't guarantee them safety. Just look at gangs - most of them drug traffickers, some of them linked to the cartel. Don't you read the papers?

With Trump's campaign against drug smuggling, and fighting terrorism.......do you have any idea at all why some pro-Trump Latinos and Muslims are understandably afraid to go public?

Edited September 18, 2016 by betsy

BubberMiley · September 18, 2016

Duterte and Trump do seem to be cut from the same cloth.

cybercoma · September 18, 2016

Education doesn't matter. Embrace the ignorance and the pied pipers who rile the irrational emotion-driven masses.

dialamah · September 18, 2016

Education doesn't matter. Embrace the ignorance and the pied pipers who rile the irrational emotion-driven masses.

Must be yet another human cycle: superstition over logic, ignorance over knowledge, magic over science. In a couple hundred years, we can (again) pat ourselves on the back for coming out of the dark ages.

Derek 2.0 · September 18, 2016

There is a hidden support for Trump. A lot of people don't want to make their choice public (for whatever reasons they may have).

Dems want to label Trump supporters as racists and bigots, what with her latest branding of "deplorables."

Muslims and Latinos, and other visible minorities who shares the same views as Trump would understandably prefer to remain anonymous.

It would appear, per this poll, that Trump has made inroads among blacks at Clinton's expense:

Trump saw a 16.5 percentage-point increase in backing from African-American voters in a Los Angeles Times/University of Southern California tracking poll, up from 3.1 percent on Sept. 10 to 19.6 percent through Friday.

sharkman · September 18, 2016

Couple that with the voters that the third part candidate is stealing from Hilary, and you have a growing trend away from the Dem ticket. People are realizing what a fraud she is, and that her health issues are not a conspiracy but are real after all.

kimmy · September 18, 2016

That's code for backward, redneck and corn pipe smoking lowlifes. It's not hard to figure out where progressives are coming from on this front.

The implicit message you're advancing is that the vote cast by people with college/university education is more valuable/valued than people who vote for Trump and who do not have a commensurate education. You are an elitist.

You know, considering the continual portrayal of Democrat supporters as welfare recipients and "urban" thugs by the right, I'm having a hard time feeling much sympathy here.

-k

kimmy · September 18, 2016

Education doesn't matter. Embrace the ignorance and the pied pipers who rile the irrational emotion-driven masses.

I also suspect that a lot of Trump's success has been due to being able to successfully con dumb-people.

However, I think that there's more to it.

Think back a few months to the Brexit vote. The polls told us that the young and the educated and the well-off voted to stay in the EU while the older and the the less-educated and the poor voted to exit. A lot of people just connected the dots and concluded that the anti-EU vote was from people who didn't know enough to see the Many Benefits of Globalization, or people who are struggling and blame outsiders, or people who are set in their ways and want things to be the way they used to be.

But that's overly simplistic. We also know that globalization has benefited the already wealthy and the highly educated, and adversely affected the poor and the less educated in western countries. It has accelerated the growth of inequality. And so to some degree you have to consider that the Brexit vote was people who have been left behind voting against the policies that have caused them to be left behind.

I think Donald Trump has tapped into the same sentiment. A lot of people think that they've been left behind, and they think Trump can change it. I think Bernie Sanders popularity was the result of the same sentiment, among a different demographic.

I don't think Trump actually has policies that can help the people who've been left behind by globalization, but some people are voting for him because they think otherwise.

-k

bush_cheney2004 · September 18, 2016

Clinton has unwittingly given Team Trump a slogan that they embrace in defiance....the "deplorables" are also the "deployables".

bush_cheney2004 · September 18, 2016

Must be yet another human cycle: superstition over logic, ignorance over knowledge, magic over science. In a couple hundred years, we can (again) pat ourselves on the back for coming out of the dark ages.

This "cycle" gave Stephen Harper a government for nine years in Canada. If "ignorance" was good enough north of the border, it is good enough for Donald Trump in November.

Edited September 18, 2016 by bush_cheney2004