Donald vs Hillary

TimG · November 9, 2016

1 minute ago, Wilber said:

I sometimes wonder if people were actually listening to what he was saying during this campaign, or just hearing what they wanted to hear.

I think people just projected image that they wanted to believe instead instead of looking at man himself.

If they actually looked at the man and how he has made a career out of 'screwing the little people' they would not be so quick to support.

bush_cheney2004 · November 9, 2016

Don't discount how much Hillary Clinton was disliked and mistrusted. She and the DNC even screwed Bernie Sanders.

?Impact · November 9, 2016

Did I miss something, has there been a recount and we are still fighting the election?

sharkman · November 9, 2016

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Don't discount how much Hillary Clinton was disliked and mistrusted. She and the DNC even screwed Bernie Sanders.

IMO, this is what sunk her. Again, Trump had no ground game, no electoral machine, no money(by comparison), no political experience. Yet she couldn't put him away. On the media bias, one of the women that Trump allegedly groped got an entire hour of unopposed screen time to tell her story. She had no witnesses so it was basically hearsay. Yet Hillary couldn't put Trump away. Let's face it folks, she was a weak candidate with a big bank account and lots of baggage.

Argus · November 9, 2016

1 hour ago, BC_chick said:

ETA - and the media! Wow, they were shameless, it was painful to watch. I can totally get why the anger from the Trump camp was legit when it came to the way the media handled their candidate.

Their candidate was a traveling circus. He did ten outrageous things every day, and he had no serious or thought-out proposals. In fact, the media gave him masses of free publicity. Every time he gave a speech all the cable networks covered it live. They didn't do the same for Clinton.

Meanwhile, on FOX, everything Trump did was breathlessly explained as genius. As for Clinton, they never mentioned her name unless it was to talk about her being the daughter of Satan and the most corrupt human being in human history who deliberately flouted the law and was virtually certain to be going to prison soon.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Argus

bush_cheney2004 · November 9, 2016

Trump was like Superman...invulnerable to even his worst insults and what many thought were missteps. His sarcastic remark about Sen. John McCain and preferring was heroes that don't get captured went beyond the pale, but yet Trump not only survived the backlash, he grew stronger.

Clinton was defeated by another relative newcomer back in 2008...Barack Obama.

BC_chick · November 9, 2016

Rachel Maddow is now blaming third-parties for Clinton's loss but if you take them out, Trump would've won by even a higher margin (Libertarians are more likely to vote Republican and Gary Johnson got four times as many votes as Jill Stein).

It's amazing that even now they refuse to acknowledge the way the DNC went about instilling their chosen heir turned off many people.

bush_cheney2004 · November 9, 2016

Just now, Argus said:

Meanwhile, on FOX, everything Trump did was breathlessly explained as genius. As for Clinton, they never mentioned her name unless it was to talk about her being the daughter of Satan and the most corrupt human being in human history.

Actually, Trump initially went to war with FOX's Megyn Kelly. FOX's polls showed Clinton to be in the lead.

Bonam · November 9, 2016

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Actually, Trump initially went to war with FOX's Megyn Kelly. FOX's polls showed Clinton to be in the lead.

Agreed, Fox was hardly a stronghold of Trump support throughout the campaign.

bush_cheney2004 · November 9, 2016

1 minute ago, BC_chick said:

Rachel Maddow is now blaming third-parties for Clinton's loss but if you take them out, Trump would've won by even a higher margin (Libertarians are more likely to vote Republican and Gary Johnson got four times as many votes as Jill Stein).

Agreed....and Rachel Maddow is a very partisan refugee from defunct Air America Radio who has found like minded folk over at MSNBC. She was visibly shaken at last night's outcome.

BC_chick · November 9, 2016

1 minute ago, Argus said:

Their candidate was a traveling circus. He did ten outrageous things every day, and he had no serious or thought-out proposals. In fact, the media gave him masses of free publicity. Every time he gave a speech all the cable networks covered it live. They didn't do the same for Clinton.

Meanwhile, on FOX, everything Trump did was breathlessly explained as genius. As for Clinton, they never mentioned her name unless it was to talk about her being the daughter of Satan and the most corrupt human being in human history.

He was a joke, I agree, but obviously he'd struck a cord somewhere and instead of listening to what he was saying and working within that constraint, they chose to completely mock him and anyone who supports him.

There is a whole other 'truth' out there for 50% of Americans, you can't deny their reality to them.

bush_cheney2004 · November 9, 2016

Trump used his media experience to the utmost while Clinton hid herself away, only to be exposed by media anyway.

Clinton ran away from the press...Trump had sex with it...and they liked it.

Edited November 9, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

Hal 9000 · November 9, 2016

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trump used his media experience to the utmost while Clinton hid herself away, only to be exposed by media anyway.

Clinton ran away from the press...Trump had sex with it.

When you're a celebrity you can do that.

Argus · November 9, 2016

1 hour ago, BC_chick said:

Not really, the Republican establishment was very much against their candidate - or divided at best. They didn't deserve the egg as much as the Democratic Party did.

I completely disagree. They spent years grooming their base for a man like Trump. Trump would not have been able to stoke the fears and hatreds if the Republican Party had not spent so much time and effort raising them in the first place. Just by way of example, his "its rigged" is just a more blatant version of what the Republican party has been telling their base for the last several years about voter fraud so they could implement ID checks which they hoped would deter poor and minority voters. Likewise his stoking racial fears is just a little more obvious than what the Republicans have been doing for decades.

The odd thing, though, is that the idiot Republican voters have seized on Trump as the man of the people who will go against the elites, but he's never shown the slightest care or concern for the people and has always been a member of the elites.

Bonam · November 9, 2016

3 minutes ago, BC_chick said:

He was a joke, I agree, but obviously he'd struck a cord somewhere and instead of listening to what he was saying and working within that constraint, they chose to completely mock him and anyone who supports him.

There is a whole other 'truth' out there for 50% of Americans, you can't deny their reality to them

The contempt that was poured onto Trump and his supporters by the media and liberals definitely energized them and made them come out and vote for Trump. Just like the Remain campaign in Brexit painted the Leave side as a bunch of racists and bigots. Once again, another illustration that insulting the people you want to vote for you simply does not work.

Argus · November 9, 2016

53 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trump campaign rallies had an organic energy to them that Clinton's never matched. Trump did not need rock stars, A-list celebs, endorsements, or any other gimmicks to attract attention and support. Trump was "high energy".

Yes, from old videos Hitler's were too.

Argus · November 9, 2016

54 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Uh, no.

Early on in his administration, there was an incident involving a black home owner(Harvard professor) who upon coming back from a trip, found that he had locked himself out of his home. Do you remember this?

So Obama touched off racial tensions by talking about the ones which were already there, or fairly mildly suggesting that Black people should be able to walk around their neighborhoods without IDs without being arrested?

To say Trump hasn't stoked biases and tensions given what he's had to say about Latinos, Muslims, Mexicans, etc. is silly.

bush_cheney2004 · November 9, 2016

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

Yes, from old videos Hitler's were too.

Whatever works....Clinton lost. Bush lost. Cruz lost. Rubio lost. All the rest of them....all losers.

BC_chick · November 9, 2016

1 hour ago, Bonam said:

Also of interest seems to be the historically low turnout in this election. 120 million votes, down from 130 million in the last 2 elections. Only about 50% turnout.

Sanders voters no doubt.

bush_cheney2004 · November 9, 2016

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

To say Trump hasn't stoked biases and tensions given what he's had to say about Latinos, Muslims, Mexicans, etc. is silly.

See "Black Lives Matter" and 2016 police killings.

sharkman · November 9, 2016

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Whatever works....Clinton lost. Bush lost. Cruz lost. Rubio lost. All the rest of them....all losers.

LOL! It didn't take long for the Hitler reference! The left needs to find some new cards to play with. The racist and Hitler cards are pretty worn out by now and don't jive with reality.

Argus, I already said that Trump hurt himself with the Muslim and Mexican comments. But it was Obama's stupid cop comment that made it okay to resist the police and insult them.

Edited November 9, 2016 by sharkman

bush_cheney2004 · November 9, 2016

Just now, sharkman said:

LOL! It didn't take long for the Hitler reference! The left needs to find some new cards to play with. The racist and Hitler cards are pretty worn out by now and don't jive with reality.

The "five stages" of grief take some time to work through. Still in the anger phase.....

dialamah · November 9, 2016

54 minutes ago, BC_chick said:

Agreed. Modern day Republican Party in control with Donald Trump at the helm is probably the closest we're going to come to the possibility of a nuclear war.

I'm thinking of converting to Christianity just in case Jesus does show up.

Don't be too hasty. A friend has posted Fatwas and Islamic scripture about "the end", implication being that the election of DJT is one of the last signs. You may want to make sure you're making the right conversion choice.

bush_cheney2004 · November 9, 2016

Another factor on the ground that may not have been very evident to those in Canada was the very timely failure of ACA (Obamacare) private health insurance markets across many states. The costs for premiums exploded for September-November enrollments, and some health insurance companies abandoned the market entirely, reducing competition.

Obamacare was a very real and painful example of Washington effing up the lives of working class families, not just a political football for Obama and Congress.

Edited November 9, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

Argus · November 9, 2016

31 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Actually, Trump initially went to war with FOX's Megyn Kelly. FOX's polls showed Clinton to be in the lead.

Trump doesn't like women who challenge him. But FOX was his bosom buddy for the entire campaign. Its coverage was heavily slanted against Clinton. His press secretary will likely be FOX's Tucker Carlson.