Islamophobia in Canada

[eyeball]

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Edited June 3, 2017 by eyeball

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The horror that is the West...with its vaccines and rights for women.

Lipstick on a pig.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, eyeball said:

Lipstick on a pig.

 

Pigs are considered haram...correct. Jews were cursed to be as Apes and Pigs by the Quran.

[DogOnPorch]

Poor feminism...second place to Islam.

Women, of course, are the property of men under Islam and worth half as much in legal terms. This because women are deemed inferior in intellect and prone to Hell-fire....

So lipstick and pigs...good choice. Because Islam trumps Feminism.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Poor feminism...second place to Islam.

Women, of course, are the property of men under Islam and worth half as much in legal terms. This because women are deemed inferior in intellect and prone to Hell-fire....

So lipstick and pigs...good choice. Because Islam trumps Feminism.

Trumps gay rights too.  One of the joys in life is watching lefties defend Islam.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Trumps gay rights too.  One of the joys in life is watching lefties defend Islam.

 

Quite true...I believe the term is unholy alliance.

Not that the righties don't do likewise. But their alliances tend to be based on $$$$ rather than politically pissing off lefties. At least at a glace.

 

[Omni]

There's money in racism? Who'd a thunk it.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

There's money in racism? Who'd a thunk it.

 

Islam isn't a race. Nor is it a skin colour.

 

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

So...when was this great moment of the West insulting Islam to the point of making it go to war with the rest of the planet? Any year in particular or just some vague notion like the rest of eyeball's history?

1953, and not because it was a great moment but because it was a particularly low point.

Once the rot from that settled in there was no turning it back.

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Islam isn't a race. Nor is it a skin colour.

 

I'm glad to hear you have finally figured that out. 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, eyeball said:

1953, and not because it was a great moment but because it was a particularly low point.

Once the rot from that settled in there was no turning it back.

 

Well, Iran is a whole different topic. One cannot discuss the CIA's involvement w/o discussing, WW2, the UN's first big crisis and the Soviet Union. As well as Iran's internal politics...most particularly the Tudeh Party who were the Communists that Mossadeq needed to win his democratic election. The same group that wanted Iran to become part of the USSR.

The year is 1953...Stalin had just died...

 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Omni said:

I'm glad to hear you have finally figured that out. 

Come on, I think it was his first post.  If only everyone could figure it out.

That said, what the hell would we argue about then?

[Omni]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Come on, I think it was his first post.  If only everyone could figure it out.

That said, what the hell would we argue about then?

Repeating the same obvious fact 50 times does not a good argument make. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

Repeating the same obvious fact 50 times does not a good argument make. 

As long as it is recognised as a fact the point is made.  It's those who do not recognise it that are the problem.  While they still refuse to get it, the point can bear remaking.

[eyeball]

28 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Well, Iran is a whole different topic. One cannot discuss the CIA's involvement w/o discussing, WW2, the UN's first big crisis and the Soviet Union. As well as Iran's internal politics...most particularly the Tudeh Party who were the Communists that Mossadeq needed to win his democratic election. The same group that wanted Iran to become part of the USSR.

The year is 1953...Stalin had just died...

 

The year is 1953 and the Shiniest Beacons for liberty, freedom and democracy in all of history pinned their fears of one tyrant on the hopes of another.  The rot spread from there and now it's everywhere.

Why we did this is neither here nor there its what we did that counts.

Edited June 3, 2017 by eyeball

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

The year is 1953 and the Shiniest Beacons for liberty, freedom and democracy in all of history pinned their fears of one tyrant on the hopes of another.  The rot spread from there and now it's everywhere.

Why we did this is neither here nor there its what we did that counts.

 

Iran prospered beyond its wildest dreams under the Shah. The mullah types who now run the show hated him for not towing the line re: the hated Zionist Entity...Iran and Israel being both military allies and trade partners.

Happier times. 

[Goddess]

15 hours ago, dialamah said:

You regularly condone the death of Muslims.   That's my sister and if you really believe I'm Muslim, me too.

I've never wished anyone dead; I do condone the death of terrorists and pedophiles.

I don't consider you a terrorist or a pedophile, therefore I do neither wish for nor condone your death.

I don't know what post you are referring to where you think I wished you dead or condoned your death or whatever it was, but apparently it is making you crazy.  So please post it and prove your claim.  If you are right, I'll apologize.  If you are wrong, you can apologize.   

Someone else here said they wished a jihadi  terrorist would kill him and you "liked" the post.

I don't remember who initially said it or what Islam thread it was but I saw it, too. 

It was commented on right away, that you also  wished him dead, and you responded. So I'm a bit surprised you have no recollection of it.

[Rue]

22 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

It's a rare day when I bring-up specific Muslims. My bone-to-pick is with Islam. I generally use the Quran and Hadiths to underline Islam's motives. And this is termed Islamophobic...using Islam's own words. The pro-Islamists hate it because there really is nothing peaceful in the Quran when it comes to the Infidel or the hated and cursed Jew. They are marked for violence if submission isn't given willingly. And woe to you if you're not a "People of the Book"...there is no submission to be offered.

When I bring-up a Muslim, it is often a fellow like Tarek Fatah that I have some online contact with...and he's deemed an apostate and Islamophobe by the pro-Islamists on MLW. As is Ayaan Hirsi Ali...another I admire greatly...ex-Muslim.

Not real Muslims in many people's books, it would seem...

 

 

I challenge you when I think your references appears to be all Muslims as people that would suggest all Muslims are all evil.

I hate it when some do it on this board with Judaism, Jews, Israelis and Israel, I hate it when they do that about Christians,, anyone, including Muslims.

There are peaceful passages in the Koran I can embrace. I personally will not throw the whole religion out because of the terrorists and extremists who seem to pose as if they have a strangehold on it by quoting only certain passages and not others. Christians in the past to justify extremism did the same thing and before them we Jews a longt ime ago were pretty nasty in the name of God. Let's hope we all evolve to  a point where we all stop using any religion as a weapon.

I will leave it at that. I just think when criticizing religions, we tak care not to label all followers of it in one simplistic negative stereotype.

The challenge presented by Muslim terrorism is to find and reach out to Muslim allies to prevent it. Surely they exist or is that naïve to say. Maybe it is in Qatar or Saudi Arabia or Iran or in Syria but is it? Is every single human there a terrorist or extremist  or are some held captive by terrorists and can't speak out?

I can't and won't define the entire people as evil. That said I sadly know there are more wars to come.

 

[eyeball]

58 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Someone else here said they wished a jihadi  terrorist would kill him and you "liked" the post.

I don't remember who initially said it or what Islam thread it was but I saw it, too. 

It was commented on right away, that you also  wished him dead, and you responded. So I'm a bit surprised you have no recollection of it.

Someone actually said they wished for this?

Funny how you can't remember who said this whilst commenting on other people's capacity for recollection.

[dialamah]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

Speaking of your sister. Given this topic is about Islamophobia, do you think it would be Islamophobic of Christians in Egypt to be fearful of Muslims given the ongoing attacks on them and the general societal bigotry against Christians by Egyptian Muslims?

Of course, that would presume your sister was Christian, and we know she's not.

Yup Muslims have attacked Christians in Egypt.  They've also protected them.  My bro-in-law tried to set me up with his Christian buddy.  Violent extremists in Egypt do not define all Egyptians or Muslims.   Just as the actions of Bissonette do not define all Canadians or right-wingers.

My sister has to worry about terrorist attacks a lot more than you do, though she assures me she's safe where she lives in a suburb of Alexandria.   But yeah, I worry about her.   

 I've agreed more than a few times that Muslims are overall more conservative than Westerners and Muslim countries have work to do when it comes to equality and human rights.  But that's not good enough for you and DoP; if I'm not claiming Muslims are out to convert or kill all non-Muslims, I'm accused of supporting barbaric practices, pedophilia, terrorists, etc.   This reminds me of high school, when I was jeered at and called names like 'snake-charmer' and 'paki-lover' and told I smelled bad because I had a couple of East Indian friends.   

 

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

I challenge you when I think your references appears to be all Muslims as people that would suggest all Muslims are all evil.

I hate it when some do it on this board with Judaism, Jews, Israelis and Israel, I hate it when they do that about Christians,, anyone, including Muslims.

There are peaceful passages in the Koran I can embrace. I personally will not throw the whole religion out because of the terrorists and extremists who seem to pose as if they have a strangehold on it by quoting only certain passages and not others. Christians in the past to justify extremism did the same thing and before them we Jews a longt ime ago were pretty nasty in the name of God. Let's hope we all evolve to  a point where we all stop using any religion as a weapon.

I will leave it at that. I just think when criticizing religions, we tak care not to label all followers of it in one simplistic negative stereotype.

The challenge presented by Muslim terrorism is to find and reach out to Muslim allies to prevent it. Surely they exist or is that naïve to say. Maybe it is in Qatar or Saudi Arabia or Iran or in Syria but is it? Is every single human there a terrorist or extremist  or are some held captive by terrorists and can't speak out?

I can't and won't define the entire people as evil. That said I sadly know there are more wars to come.

 

Careful Rue, Dog might start calling you a terrorist sympathizer and a lover of Islam.   Good post but no matter how many times it is said, it is ignored.

[Goh Shenas]

3 hours ago, Rue said:

I challenge you when I think your references appears to be all Muslims as people that would suggest all Muslims are all evil.

I hate it when some do it on this board with Judaism, Jews, Israelis and Israel, I hate it when they do that about Christians,, anyone, including Muslims.

There are peaceful passages in the Koran I can embrace. I personally will not throw the whole religion out because of the terrorists and extremists who seem to pose as if they have a strangehold on it by quoting only certain passages and not others. Christians in the past to justify extremism did the same thing and before them we Jews a longt ime ago were pretty nasty in the name of God. Let's hope we all evolve to  a point where we all stop using any religion as a weapon.

I will leave it at that. I just think when criticizing religions, we tak care not to label all followers of it in one simplistic negative stereotype.

The challenge presented by Muslim terrorism is to find and reach out to Muslim allies to prevent it. Surely they exist or is that naïve to say. Maybe it is in Qatar or Saudi Arabia or Iran or in Syria but is it? Is every single human there a terrorist or extremist  or are some held captive by terrorists and can't speak out?

I can't and won't define the entire people as evil. That said I sadly know there are more wars to come.

 

There is nothing peaceful about Islam. If they don't follow Daesh then they are not Muslims.

I just read the news these bloody muslims have made another attack on London!

They want to kill jews and christians.

[Goh Shenas]

Yeah Islam is a religion of piss. Go and figure! Supporting those douche bags are all you liberal lefties are good for.

[Guest]

I don't think they were discriminating.  I think they were perfectly happy to kill anybody.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Yup Muslims have attacked Christians in Egypt.  They've also protected them.

I posted an article on this topic not long to on the extent of continuing attacks on Christians in Egypt, and the fact the government feels little pressure to do anything about them since most Egyptians are so bigoted towards Christians they don't care.

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Violent extremists in Egypt do not define all Egyptians or Muslims.  

In Egypt, 74% of the population supports Sharia law and that it should apply to all citizens, Muslims or not. 70% explicitly support the 'corporal punishments' under Sharia for thieves and the like. 81% of Egyptians favour stoning for adultery. 86% favour death for anyone who leaves Islam. 94% of Egyptians feel religious courts should decide family and property disputes.

Yet you continue to blithely pretend that oh, it's just a few' extremists' who are the problem. The rest of the Muslim world is fine!

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I've agreed more than a few times that Muslims are overall more conservative than Westerners and Muslim countries have work to do when it comes to equality and human rights.

Those are mealy mouthed words. More conservative? Really? I'd say wanting to execute gays and stone women for adultery and execute blasphemers and apostates is a lot more than 'more conservative.'

but that's not good enough for you

You constantly try to make apologies for attitudes like that above, pretending that only a few 'extremists' are the problem, and then finding the odd western extremist to triumphantly say "See!? Christians are just as bad!" but they're not. It's not just a few 'extremists'. Basically, almost all Egyptians are "extremists" by almost any civilized, rational comparison to western values.

 

Edited June 3, 2017 by Argus