Shady Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Agreed. The zealots of the left have a pantheon of causes, and most of them are more important than a few hundred women being sexually assaulted. They're on a mission to defend the notion that all cultures are equal, and that advancing the cause of third world people sweeping aside the evils of Western culture and capitalism is the true calling of a progressive. True. And these excuses are only trotted out when a certain religion and culture are involved. Strange.
WestCoastRunner Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Agreed. The zealots of the left have a pantheon of causes, and most of them are more important than a few hundred women being sexually assaulted. They're on a mission to defend the notion that all cultures are equal, and that advancing the cause of third world people sweeping aside the evils of Western culture and capitalism is the true calling of a progressive. Do you actually think the very people you are targeting with this rhetoric would even contemplate this post? And since they/we most likely wouldn't, what is the point of this post? I can guarantee the response is most likely laughter. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
dialamah Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 True. And these excuses are only trotted out when a certain religion and culture are involved. Strange. Since non-progressives seeking to marginalize a certain group tend to use the same arguments to do it (barbaric, uncivilized, will steal all your stuff, will take over your country, will murder you, rape your wives and daughters, etc.,), I've no doubt that progressives throughout history have "trotted out" perspective and reality. Seems the progressives are winning, too: Blacks can now ride in the front of the bus; Japanese have been apologized to by the Canadian government and been provided compensation; Jews have had the world apologizing for decades; First Nations people are in the process of having their various wrongs acknowledged and redressed. You'd think non-progressives would figure it out: xenophobia always looks stupid and unnecessary in hindsight.
Hudson Jones Posted January 17, 2016 Author Report Posted January 17, 2016 My concern is not Islam as a whole. My concern is the attitudes of large portions of those who will be coming here. I realize that many Muslims in western countries have adopted more progressive outlooks than their Middle Eastern counterparts. But we don't get refugees from western countries, we get them from the Middle East. We're getting refugees from places where the prevailing cultural view is that women have to cover themselves to prevent men from being tempted. Then we act surprised when men from that culture behave badly to women who aren't covered. How surprised can we really be? -k You have made direct bigoted comments towards Muslims in the past, so at least you're changing your tone a bit and reducing the generalizing. That's a good thing. However, the generalizing is still there. You are trying to tell us that the people who are coming here can't control themselves and don't care about the laws of the host country. Many Muslims in the Western countries, who you are giving a pass to now, were once refugees, so your fear of being attacked by them contradicts what you are trying to say. A life lesson: Judge people on their individual behaviour and not generalizations. Overall, I am confident in our law and justice system will protect us from criminals. Whether it's a fondling Muslim from Morocco or a white pedophile. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 ....Anyway, it's not a 'questionable' racial assertion; it's fairly proven out in various statistics and iirc, applies around the globe, not just in America. But as it's off-topic to this thread, I'm not going to research. It is very much on-topic....the same intellectually lazy and anectdotal assertions are being made about Islam and Islamophobia. It is par for the course here on MLW. White males...Black males...America..."shootings"...etc... are always drafted to stand in for actual data and supported conclusions for Canada. Nothing here is proven. Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 The quote you linked to, which I presume is this one, does not claim that "only white people commit pedophilia". Why was sex tourism brought into this discussion, again? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Why was sex tourism brought into this discussion, again? Good question....same reason that shootings in the United States were...I guess. Relevance remains unclear. Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Why was sex tourism brought into this discussion, again? I think it started with the condemnation of refugees entering Canada and committing sex crimes while at the same time Canadian men travel abroad to obtain sex with underage children. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 I think it started with the condemnation of refugees entering Canada and committing sex crimes while at the same time Canadian men travel abroad to obtain sex with underage children. Indeed. Canadian perverts are shunned in Canadian society and given HEAVY jail terms for even having a suspect photo. Correct? This is why they need to travel to regions where sex with children is far more acceptable. Correct? Like Thailand. Correct? Meanwhile...in Pakistan...banning marriages between adult men and children is a no-go. Why? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WestCoastRunner Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Indeed. Canadian perverts are shunned in Canadian society and given HEAVY jail terms for even having a suspect photo. Correct? This is why they need to travel to regions where sex with children is far more acceptable. Correct? Like Thailand. Correct? Meanwhile...in Pakistan...banning marriages between adult men and children is a no-go. Why? Thailand, Cuba etc. Um, because they are retarded? I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Thailand, Cuba etc. Um, because they are retarded? Can you give the reason stated? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WestCoastRunner Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Can you give the reason stated?They are retarded. What exactly are you looking for? Edited January 17, 2016 by WestCoastRunner I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 They are retarded. What exactly are you looking for? What was the reason given for not going through with the child marriage ban? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WestCoastRunner Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 What was the reason given for not going through with the child marriage ban? I don't know but what does it have to do with this thread? I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
DogOnPorch Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 I don't know but what does it have to do with this thread? It has everything to do with this thread. If you could, please, go find out what reasons were given and report back. I'd like to hear it from you. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WestCoastRunner Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 It has everything to do with this thread. If you could, please, go find out what reasons were given and report back. I'd like to hear it from you. Not interested in doing your research. Can you tell me what your point is? I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
DogOnPorch Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) Not interested in doing your research. Can you tell me what your point is? I know the reasons. I'm just curious as to if YOU know the reasons. I think you do but are unwilling to say. Edited January 18, 2016 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WestCoastRunner Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 I know the reasons. I'm just curious as to if YOU know the reasons. I think you do but are unwilling to say. I have not researched this and I see no reason to. But you must have something you are holding back? I am waiting in anticipation!! I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
DogOnPorch Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 Since you are afraid to say...here you go. http://www.smh.com.au/comment/push-to-ban-child-marriages-dubbed-blasphemy-in-pakistan-20160117-gm7nvf.html This particular roadblock was the Council of Islamic Ideology, which has been given the power to vet all proposed legislation in Pakistan's parliament to see if it complies with sharia. The council found the bill to be not only "anti-Islamic" but "blasphemous". The government promptly withdrew the bill. Why would it be anti-islamic and blasphemous to ban marriages of adults with children? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
msj Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) My gawd you two, seriously, FFS: the reason is because of religion. If one reads the Koran (and I have many years ago) one can find lots of horrible things in it to justify child marriage. This is an important element in Sharia law and, of course, all these refugees coming to Canada aren't really trying to escape a war but really want to impose sharia law in Canada so they can marry our children too ( ok, this is childish hyperbole on my part but you get the drift now, no?). ETA: looks like dog finally came to his senses. Congrats. Edited January 18, 2016 by msj If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
WestCoastRunner Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) My gawd you two, seriously, FFS: the reason is because of religion. If one reads the Koran (and I have many years ago) one can find lots of horrible things in it to justify child marriage. This is an important element in Sharia law and, of course, all these refugees coming to Canada aren't really trying to escape a war but really want to impose sharia law in Canada so they can marry our children too ( ok, is is childish hyperbole on my part but you get the drift now, no?). That's exactly my point. FFS. I don't intend to argue against hyperbole. Edited January 18, 2016 by WestCoastRunner I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
DogOnPorch Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 My gawd you two, seriously, FFS: the reason is because of religion. If one reads the Koran (and I have many years ago) one can find lots of horrible things in it to justify child marriage. This is an important element in Sharia law and, of course, all these refugees coming to Canada aren't really trying to escape a war but really want to impose sharia law in Canada so they can marry our children too ( ok, this is childish hyperbole on my part but you get the drift now, no?). ETA: looks like dog finally came to his senses. Congrats. Yes, I too have read the Quran. Mohammad did it...so it's okay, being the skinny of it all. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
waldo Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 as was highlighted in an earlier post; in... Canada... children of 16 are legally allowed to marry with parental consent. Until 2008, that age was 14... why... 16... that's the same current age as in Pakistan today. Meanwhile...in Pakistan...banning marriages between adult men and children is a no-go. Why? and... in Canada?.
dialamah Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) It has everything to do with this thread. If you could, please, go find out what reasons were given and report back. I'd like to hear it from you. Actually nothing to do with it. The news story said that a law was proposed to raise the legal age of marriage from 16 to 18, and to bring in harsher penalties for child-marriage. The law was not passed, in part due to the efforts of clergy who would prefer no limit be imposed. Your attempt to make this into "see, Muslims are pedophiles" fails badly for the following reasons: 1. Canada allows marriages of 16-year-olds; if you condemn Iran, you must also condemn Canada. 2. Several US States have no legal minimum marriage age; a few allow marriages of 12, 13 and 14 year olds. If you condemn Iran for it's legal minimum marriage age of 16, you must also condemn the States. 3. A few States fail to have any legal minimums at all; if you condemn these Iranian clerics who don't want legal minimums, you must also condemn those States who fail to have legal minimums. 4. Further, if you are going to judge and condemn all Muslims as pedophiles for what some group of Iranian clerics want but did not achieve, then you must also condemn all the people as pedophiles in those States and countries which legally allow for marriages of kids under 18 and all those people in the States who have no minimum marriage age at all. Edited January 18, 2016 by dialamah
DogOnPorch Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 That's exactly my point. FFS. I don't intend to argue against hyperbole. I find it far more telling that you don't condemn such a thing as barbaric. But, then I remember...Religion trumps Feminism and even sex crimes....Then it all makes sense. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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