bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 To be determined, that's one of the reasons I used the word, might. Perhaps, but this attack may be the event that triggers a coordinated NATO response to ISIS instead of the piecemeal "coalition" approach. Russia just makes it more complicated. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
capricorn Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 So, I hear a lot of people here and on my TV screen talking about a whole bunch of things. Go bomb somebody. Reconsider changing C51. Reconsider the refugees. So what? Ignore useless chatter. I do. I demand that my country not do anything until someone can confirm that the actions we take will make things better and not worse. So, send the Liberal Party or Trudeau an email. And as I've pointed out multiple times, someone amongst the group of countries we consider "allies" is helping ISIS. And I believe that intelligence exists about who that someone is and we don't want to take them on because we don't want to offend them. Unless and until someone is going to be honest about wtf is really going on, fighting ISIS is like spitting in the wind. Look, if your government with all its resources can't figure it out, do you really think you can do it from the keyboard of a PC in your basement? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Wilber Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 I'm done talking to you - feel free to amuse yourself with someone else for a while. He does have a point in that oil is their main source of financial support. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 He does have a point in that oil is their main source of financial support. Indirectly....oil production, distribution, and consumption is more complicated than that. The Saudis have their own problems with domestic terrorism. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Perhaps, but this attack may be the event that triggers a coordinated NATO response to ISIS instead of the piecemeal "coalition" approach. Russia just makes it more complicated.If it can be established that it was ISIS that made the attack. You won't get everyone on board if you can't. The events of the past week and a half might be what it takes to get Russia and NATO working together. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Smoke Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 It’s obvious that this happened because someone feels completely excluded, completely at war with innocents, at war with a society, and our approach has to be ”where do those tensions come from”. Quote
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 It’s obvious that this happened because someone feels completely excluded, completely at war with innocents, at war with a society, and our approach has to be ”where do those tensions come from”. Try here. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ReeferMadness Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 So, I hear a lot of people here and on my TV screen talking about a whole bunch of things. Go bomb somebody. Reconsider changing C51. Reconsider the refugees. So what? Ignore useless chatter. I do. I demand that my country not do anything until someone can confirm that the actions we take will make things better and not worse. So, send the Liberal Party or Trudeau an email. And as I've pointed out multiple times, someone amongst the group of countries we consider "allies" is helping ISIS. And I believe that intelligence exists about who that someone is and we don't want to take them on because we don't want to offend them. Unless and until someone is going to be honest about wtf is really going on, fighting ISIS is like spitting in the wind. Look, if your government with all its resources can't figure it out, do you really think you can do it from the keyboard of a PC in your basemenf I think somebody does know but because they are allies (Turkey? Saudi Arabia?), nobody wants to take them on. It's well known that Turkey doesn't like the Kurds and doesn't like Assad; so is not especially motivated to take on ISIS. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
drummindiver Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 I think it would actually look good on JT to backtrack. And he is probably in discussions as we speak. what? his commitment to get out of Syria was one of his main talking points. So you think it would look good on him how? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 If it can be established that it was ISIS that made the attack. You won't get everyone on board if you can't. The events of the past week and a half might be what it takes to get Russia and NATO working together. ISIS wants allied forces on the ground to fulfill their ideology and caliphate objectives. More attacks will follow to goad governments into military action. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 If it can be established that it was ISIS that made the attack. You won't get everyone on board if you can't. The events of the past week and a half might be what it takes to get Russia and NATO working together. Russia and Iran are already anti-ISIS but they support Assad in Syria. Turkey and Saudi Arabia are anti-Assad. The western allies seem to be hoping everyone will lose. That's why it's such a mess. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 ISIS wants allied forces on the ground to fulfill their ideology and caliphate objectives. The only reason ISIS continues to hold territory is because there are no allied forces on the ground. Put in one armored division and ISIS' control will reduced to a few isolated strongholds with heavy civilian populations to hide behind. Put in an infantry division and they'll lose even those. Why would you think they would WANT alliance ground forces? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smoke Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Try here. Hehe, guess you didn't recognize this Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 ....Why would you think they would WANT alliance ground forces? Because that is how the new Caliphate will be established...by slaying its enemies Qu'ran style. I didn't say it was rational thought....I am not a suicidal terrorist. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 If it can be established that it was ISIS that made the attack. You won't get everyone on board if you can't. The events of the past week and a half might be what it takes to get Russia and NATO working together. I hope that the fears of western countries will help us all to defeat these terrorist Attacks. It's sad to acknowledge that ISIS has indeed triggered fears and I know that we shouldn't react out of fear but when we have so many innocent civilians die, it can't be dismissed. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
BC_chick Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 No I do know. I read and know more than you assume. I'm just not willing to do the work for lazy posters. Basically they are disillusioned people with no purpose. Not true. A lot of them come from well to do families. I don't think you can wrap it up nicely into one thing or another. It's like saying why do people murder? Lotsa reasons of course. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Which nearby nation has ISIS not attacked yet ? Israel.....ever wonder why ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) Not true. A lot of them come from well to do families. I don't think you can wrap it up nicely into one thing or another. It's like saying why do people murder? Lotsa reasons of course. Since when do disillusioned individuals not come from well to do families. That is an assumption on your part and it's not something I suggested. Edited November 14, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Bonam Posted November 14, 2015 Author Report Posted November 14, 2015 I think bombing ISIS and killing a lot of civilians as collateral is a much harsher and more violent response than closing Western borders to immigration from Islamic countries. I don't know why people are so willing to go out and kill other people, mostly civilians, as a response to try to stamp out terrorism (which is plainly impossible to do, anyway), but are utterly unwilling to consider securing our borders so that (most) terrorists simply can't get into Western countries in the first place. Suggesting that we go forth and bomb people indiscriminately is mainstream, but suggesting any review of our immigration system is "bigoted" and "racist". Oh well, I'm sure the irrationality will go on and on until the death toll is in the millions not in the hundreds. Quote
BC_chick Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 So we stand by and let them kill our families? Taliban and Al Qaeda are still around 14 years later. ISIS exists because of Iraq. I don't know, but doesn't sound like bombs are really effective in all this. In fact, they've made things worse, no? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Guest Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 The only reason ISIS continues to hold territory is because there are no allied forces on the ground. Put in one armored division and ISIS' control will reduced to a few isolated strongholds with heavy civilian populations to hide behind. Put in an infantry division and they'll lose even those. Why would you think they would WANT alliance ground forces? Agreed. We have to remember what "war" actually means and be prepared to fight one until we win. Quote
capricorn Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Which nearby nation has ISIS not attacked yet ? Israel.....ever wonder why ? Oh geez, b_c, now you'll have some posters alleging that Isreal is responsible for the attacks. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Geez...even the Pope want to kick some ISIS ass now. You go Pope ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 I think bombing ISIS and killing a lot of civilians as collateral is a much harsher and more violent response than closing Western borders to immigration from Islamic countries. I don't know why people are so willing to go out and kill other people, mostly civilians... When has this been unacceptable in the past ? "Civilians" are already dying. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted November 14, 2015 Report Posted November 14, 2015 Taliban and Al Qaeda are still around 14 years later. ISIS exists because of Iraq. I don't know, but doesn't sound like bombs are really effective in all this. In fact, they've made things worse, no? No I don't know. I'm one of the ignorant Canadians who are taking a stand against terrorism. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
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