Trudeau's Committment to Syrian Refugees - 25,000 by Year End

[Boges]

I don't understand your revulsion. And yes, the children would be allowed to attend school.

Would you rather they lived in barracks?

Or rooming houses. Municipalities allocate funds assuming single families live in single family homes.

What happens when this lady can't pay back her loans?

[eyeball]

Or rooming houses. Municipalities allocate funds assuming single families live in single family homes.

What happens when this lady can't pay back her loans?

I suspect most of these will be staying temporarily at this one bungalow in much smaller batches over the course of a year than all at once.

There is a whole lot of economic sense in leveraging funds to do this. She'll probably have close to 45 people helping her repay her loans. These people don't sound like the type that leave one another in the lurch.

Edited December 18, 2015 by eyeball

[WestCoastRunner]

Or rooming houses. Municipalities allocate funds assuming single families live in single family homes.

What happens when this lady can't pay back her loans?

She wouldn't have qualified for loans. You know nothing about her ability to repay her loans.

Sounds like she is converting her home to a rooming house for a year at least. I say kudos to her.

[Argus]

I suspect most of these will be staying temporarily at this one bungalow in much smaller batches over the course of a year than all at once.

There is a whole lot of economic sense in leveraging funds to do this. She'll probably have close to 45 people helping her repay her loans. These people don't sound like the type that leave one another in the lurch.

How do you imagine a bunch of people who don't speak English and have no Canadian job experience or, most probably any in-demand skillset, are going to repay anyone for anything?

[GostHacked]

How do you imagine a bunch of people who don't speak English and have no Canadian job experience or, most probably any in-demand skillset, are going to repay anyone for anything?

That was my Oma and Opa soon after WWII.

[Argus]

That was my Oma and Opa soon after WWII.

Lots of low skilled jobs available in 40s and 50s. Not so much any more.

[WestCoastRunner]

Lots of low skilled jobs available in 40s and 50s. Not so much any more.

What many white families don't get is how these families stick together to improve each other's lives. In the Fraser valley, many East Indian families live together combining funds to buy each family a home at a time. It may seem foreign to us but for them it works.

[Argus]

What many white families don't get is how these families stick together to improve each other's lives. In the Fraser valley, many East Indian families live together combining funds to buy each family a home at a time. It may seem foreign to us but for them it works.

That's admirable. I mean that seriously. But on a macro scale all I care about is that incoming people be self-supporting, and there seems very little likelihood of that happening among a group of middle eastern people without the language, educational or job skills needed for success in today's economy.

[waldo]

But on a macro scale all I care about is that incoming people be self-supporting, and there seems very little likelihood of that happening among a group of middle eastern people without the language, educational or job skills needed for success in today's economy.

refugees are not immigrants! Don't you think you should adjust your expectations accordingly?

[Argus]

refugees are not immigrants! Don't you think you should adjust your expectations accordingly?

For previously stated reasons I don't think we should be taking in groups of refugees. Individual refugees directly fleeing political persecution, perhaps, but the idea of picking a very, very few from among a massive wave of refugees seems entirely designed to make ourselves feel good and noble. They simply add to our growing underclass while the immense expense is disguised among various levels of government. If we really care about the plight of refugees we could take half that money, send it to refugee centers closer to where the problem lies, and do ten times as much good.

Edited December 19, 2015 by Argus

[DogOnPorch]

Canada engages in the soft bigotry of low expectations. I mean EVERYBODY wants to leave their crappy country and come here...a much better country than the loser one they're giving-up. Plus, we need their doctors and other professionals.

Edited December 19, 2015 by DogOnPorch

[Argus]

Canada engages in the soft bigotry of low expectations. I mean EVERYBODY whats to leave their crappy country and come here...a much better country than the loser one they're giving-up. Plus, we need their doctors and other professionals.

We don't need their doctors or professionals. Any shortage of either we have are entirely deliberate and engineered by government in cooperation with professional associations wishing to maintain their high pay rates.

[DogOnPorch]

We don't need their doctors or professionals.

Apparently, neither do they.

[ironstone]

I have to wonder how good the vetting process will be and what,if any,reliable database there is for these people.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/even-syrian-refugees-agree-it-is-not-easy-to-identify-the-fakes

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/easy-buy-syrian-passport-facebook-151121124233394.html

http://pamelageller.com/2015/11/pew-poll-between-63-million-and-287-million-isis-supporters-in-just-11-countries-13-of-syria-refugees-isis-sympathizers.html/

[capricorn]

I have to wonder how good the vetting process will be and what,if any,reliable database there is for these people.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/even-syrian-refugees-agree-it-is-not-easy-to-identify-the-fakes

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/easy-buy-syrian-passport-facebook-151121124233394.html

http://pamelageller.com/2015/11/pew-poll-between-63-million-and-287-million-isis-supporters-in-just-11-countries-13-of-syria-refugees-isis-sympathizers.html/

The Liberals have "expedited" security screening in order to try to meet their refugee quota. The above information as well as expediting security screening does not inspire confidence in the present refugee selection process. But dammit, come hell or high water Trudeau Jr. will welcome 10,000 Syrian refugees by December 31st.

About 500 staff from various government departments are in Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey carrying out what are being called "Herculean" efforts. That includes expedited processing, including health exams, security screening and up to 800 visa interviews a day.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/syrian-refugees-resettlement-plan-1.3367474

[waldo]

The Liberals have "expedited" security screening in order to try to meet their refugee quota.

do you have information to suggest security, health or criminal screening processes have been compromised?

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[waldo]

I have to wonder how good the vetting process will be and what,if any,reliable database there is for these people.

http://pamelageller.com/2015/11/pew-poll-between-63-million-and-287-million-isis-supporters-in-just-11-countries-13-of-syria-refugees-isis-sympathizers.html/

imagine Pamela Geller taking liberties with a poll result - I'm shocked! The actual presentation graphic associated with the result/article - "overwhelmingly negative"... you sure wouldn't know/interpret that from the GellerSpinCycle!

[waldo]

For previously stated reasons I don't think we should be taking in groups of refugees. Individual refugees directly fleeing political persecution, perhaps, but the idea of picking a very, very few from among a massive wave of refugees seems entirely designed to make ourselves feel good and noble. They simply add to our growing underclass while the immense expense is disguised among various levels of government. If we really care about the plight of refugees we could take half that money, send it to refugee centers closer to where the problem lies, and do ten times as much good.

Canada has a tradition of humanitarianism towards refugees; of working with and supporting the UNHCR and private sponsors. Clearly, you refuse to adjust your expectations and feel warranted in casting refugees with the same "economic contribution" benchmark you attach to immigrants. Since you keep repeating your alternate expenditure preference, care to actually step up and indicate how monies provided to refugee camps/centers will do "ten times as much good"? What do you envision... how would you presume to improve the lot of refugees... if even only temporarily within camps? "10 times better/improved" no less!

[Guest]

Wow, if you add up all those green bits it seems that quite a few people don't mind a bit of beheading.

Why is it seen as news that most people don't have a favourable view of ISIS? I thing the big news is that that so many do.

Edited December 20, 2015 by bcsapper

[waldo]

Wow, if you add up all those green bits it seems that quite a few people don't mind a bit of beheading.

"In no country surveyed did more than 15% of the population show favorable attitudes toward Islamic State. And in those countries with mixed religious and ethnic populations, negative views of ISIS cut across these lines."

if you're so concerned about beheading, see Saudi Arabia... per Amnesty International:

• At least 102 executed in first six months of 2015 compared to 90 in all of 2014
• Average of one person executed every two days, most by beheading

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[capricorn]

do you have information to suggest security, health or criminal screening processes have been compromised?

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Do you have information that says taking short cuts in security or criminal screening processes will not result in undesirables slipping into the country?

P.S. I see you sometimes emulate Jacee's tendency to sign her posts with an extra period at the end of her posts. It looks like some sort of a solidarity thing. Kinda cute in a way.

[waldo]

Do you have information that says taking short cuts in security or criminal screening processes will not result in undesirables slipping into the country?

are you really asking me to 'prove a negative'? More pointedly, given your latest statement, do you have information to support your implication that "short cuts" have been taken in the security, health and criminal screening areas?

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P.S. I see you sometimes emulate Jacee's tendency to sign her posts with an extra period at the end of her posts. It looks like some sort of a solidarity thing. Kinda cute in a way.

instead of over-thinking something, I suggest you concentrate on your actual posting content... it's a way of dealing with formatting, switching between edit modes, and the "quirkiness" of the IP Board "CKEditor"...

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[Guest]

"In no country surveyed did more than 15% of the population show favorable attitudes toward Islamic State. And in those countries with mixed religious and ethnic populations, negative views of ISIS cut across these lines."

if you're so concerned about beheading, see Saudi Arabia... per Amnesty International:

• At least 102 executed in first six months of 2015 compared to 90 in all of 2014
• Average of one person executed every two days, most by beheading

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Yeah, I hate those barbaric bastards too.

[waldo]

Yeah, I hate those barbaric bastards too.

it's a real tough balancing act with Saudi Arabia... notwithstanding being the principal driver behind the ever dropping oil price and the most significant affect it has on Canada, during the election campaign Harper nuanced that $15 billion dollar "arms sale" to Saudi Arabia as, "not an arms sale... rather a transport vehicle sale... and not intended for the military; rather for the National Guard"!

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[Shady]

I'm just glad that our clueless prime minister came to his senses and realized that 25,000 refugees by the end of the year was irresponsible and reckless. And the political grandstanding isn't in Canada's best interest.