waldo Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Without evidence, your statements are meaningless. still waiting for you to report back on your search efforts to uncover those brazillion posts of yours that clearly show you're not a partisan Conservative . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 over the last month or so as I perused the usual right-wing blogs, I kept coming across very pointed, pining, plaintive shout-outs for the next CPC leader... of course, they couldn't be serious - could they? Well, when it rises to the level of a Postmedia NP piece from Ivison... maybe... the person to replace the departed Stephen Harper is...... Stephen Harper! Unite the Right... so long as it doesn't include any Red Tories!!! The old schisms in the party run deep, even if Stephen Harper was successful at pacifying the warring tribes. There is a groundswell of opinion among what might be considered the party establishment that the day after MacKay wins the leadership, the party would split. The former prime minister’s return is being mooted by serious people, in a political resurrection that would echo that of the current prime minister’s father. “No other candidate could defeat him in the leadership of our party,” said one respected senior Conservative. “It’s the ‘break glass in case of emergency’ option.” The lure for the former prime minister would be to protect the legacy of a durable Conservative coalition that might be threatened under a leader whose blue credentials were questioned by many of the rank and file. “The math changes when people start to think the whole experiment is at risk – when we start looking down the barrel of a Peter MacKay leadership,” said the insider. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted April 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Oh please do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 If that article weren't from someone so serious, I'd think it was comedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Most likely to win the leadership ... perhaps. Least likely to win an election ... for sure! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 LOL Super Harper flies back to save the day!! Oh man... Bring back the immigrant snitch line, racist rhetoric, anti-environment, huge deficits, kids in short-pants controlling MPs and bribe some more Senators! That's exactly what the CPC needs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 over the last month or so as I perused the usual right-wing blogs, I kept coming across very pointed, pining, plaintive shout-outs for the next CPC leader... of course, they couldn't be serious - could they? Well, when it rises to the level of a Postmedia NP piece from Ivison... maybe... the person to replace the departed Stephen Harper is...... Stephen Harper! Unite the Right... so long as it doesn't include any Red Tories!!! . I think its fanciful fiction and I doubt former Prime Minister Harper would be the slightest bit interested.........but the prospects of a defeated Prime Minister returning to lead his party back into Government is not without precedent.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 I think its fanciful fiction and I doubt former Prime Minister Harper would be the slightest bit interested......... Harper is clearly still pulling Rona's strings! I expect it's like a 'death by a thousand cuts' watching Trudeau Liberals slice & dice through his "legacy" legislation. That you personally indicate you'd "be fine" with a Peter MacKay choice is most antithetical with what NP's Ivison describes as the prevailing internal CPC party concerns for a Red Tory (MacKay) led party - a result suggested to "split the party apart". . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Harper is clearly still pulling Rona's strings! I expect it's like a 'death by a thousand cuts' watching Trudeau Liberals slice & dice through his "legacy" legislation. How is that clear? I think the opposite, tone alone is a major difference. That you personally indicate you'd "be fine" with a Peter MacKay choice is most antithetical with what NP's Ivison describes as the prevailing internal CPC party concerns for a Red Tory (MacKay) led party - a result suggested to "split the party apart". Though I respect (and read) Ivison, I think this is a case of either trying to sell papers or he's got a lousy source.....Without a doubt there would be detractors of MacKay, but a Mackay leadership isn't going to fracture the party.....I just don't think its going to happen regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 this long-time Conservative MP (from Reform days, no less) is calling for a CPC leadership candidate that will help shape a more inclusive party: Conservative MP slams Tories for becoming an 'elitist, white-only club' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Harper is clearly still pulling Rona's strings! Evidence? None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) this long-time Conservative MP (from Reform days, no less) is calling for a CPC leadership candidate that will help shape a more inclusive party: Conservative MP slams Tories for becoming an 'elitist, white-only club' Because they charge $25 to join the party?! LOL. This guy is obviously an example of the low quality of so many of the MPs we're saddled with. His riding is extremely 'diverse' with almost half the population born out of Canada and a large Indian contingent. One of the issues I have raised before is that of ethnic groups banding together to swarm local riding offices in order to put one of their own in place as the candidate. I think the membership charge for all parties should be raised to make this much more expensive, and thus harder to do. Edited April 10, 2016 by Argus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Because they charge $25 to join the party?! LOL. This guy is obviously an example of the low quality of so many of the MPs we're saddled with. His riding is extremely 'diverse' with almost half the population born out of Canada and a large Indian contingent. One of the issues I have raised before is that of ethnic groups banding together to swarm local riding offices in order to put one of their own in place as the candidate. I think the membership charge for all parties should be raised to make this much more expensive, and thus harder to do. ya ya, I'm sure that things like ole 'old stock Canadians' and the most overt Harper Conservative election campaign of 'divisiveness and fear mongering' had no consideration in that "elitist, white-only club" labeling. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 ya ya, I'm sure that things like ole 'old stock Canadians' and the most overt Harper Conservative election campaign of 'divisiveness and fear mongering' had no consideration in that "elitist, white-only club" labeling. . Speaking of a guy who supports the party of class-warfare, that's kind of funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Speaking of a guy who supports the party of class-warfare, that's kind of funny! nice drive-by deflection! That Harper Conservative politics of division and fear-mongering will hold for some time... having the likes of Leitch step forward... with Kenney, Clement, et al, soon to follow... will help to reinforce exactly what the 'party of Harper' became and remains. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I think its fanciful fiction and I doubt former Prime Minister Harper would be the slightest bit interested.........but the prospects of a defeated Prime Minister returning to lead his party back into Government is not without precedent.... It's not ideal, but an "I told you so" campaign can be quite effective. Especially since his losing bid actually garnered more votes than two of his winning ones, a new campaign could easily yield different results. Will it happen? I doubt it. I don't think MacKay would get enough support for it to be necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 It's not ideal, but an "I told you so" campaign can be quite effective. Especially since his losing bid actually garnered more votes than two of his winning ones, a new campaign could easily yield different results. Will it happen? I doubt it. I don't think MacKay would get enough support for it to be necessary. I think that would require the Trudeau Government to really, really bungle things inside of four years and the effects to be felt really quickly by the public..........could happen, but I still doubt Harper would return, absent loud public cries for him to come to the rescue.....wouldn't hold my breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 LOL Super Harper flies back to save the day!! Oh man... Bring back the immigrant snitch line, racist rhetoric, anti-environment, huge deficits, kids in short-pants controlling MPs and bribe some more Senators! That's exactly what the CPC needs!! Harper's making bold moves... setting the groundwork for his triumphant return! Just days ago Harper went to 'kiss the ring' of Sheldon Adelson... the mega-billionaire and top donor to conservative candidates/causes: On Thursday evening, Adelson hosted some of the organization’s top officials at his palatial mansion. While former Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper discussed how fractured parties can unite, Adelson listened but said little, according to three people who were present. in relation to the event Harper tweeted something about Israel ... to some apparent mixed response! If Harper is the great fractured party uniter, can he bring together his twitter feed responses? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 Chong is jumping in soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 If that article weren't from someone so serious, I'd think it was comedy Ivison wrote another hilarious piece lately too. I though it was farcical too, but the left were spontaneously ejaculating over this masterpiece of fluff. I do appreciate that PostMedia publishes stuff by Ivison and Den Tandt, two Liberal shills with a platform. Lately Coyne has joined their ranks more b=vocally than usual. There must be Communications posts opening up soon in the existing armada within the PMO. The job competition is just beginning! http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/john-ivison-trudeau-convinced-that-pipeline-strategy-must-be-top-priority. It is a masterpiece of garbage journalism, a nothingness. There is no attribution of anything to the premise that Trudeau supports pipleines other than this: But people with knowledge of the matter suggest he has recently issued instructions that a pipeline strategy has to be top priority. The headline is 'Trudeau convinced'. He is not quoted anywhere, nor is anybody else on the topic. Comedy gold on a national basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Ivison is a Liberal shill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Ivison is a Liberal shill? Ivison isn't really Liberal, but the CBC likes to use him to represent the "conservative" view on their panels and he's not really conservative either. He's more centrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 To many CPC supporters, anyone who disagrees with the party must be a "Liberal shill". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 To many CPC supporters, anyone who disagrees with the party must be a "Liberal shill". How many? Seems to me you won't have to go far to find conservatives here who have been critical on this or that piece of Tory policy or behaviour. You'll go a LOOOONG way to find a Liberal or NDP supporter subjecting their parties to any criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Stay on topic - this thread is about CPC leadership predictions, not Liberal vs Conservative sniping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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