Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 No, you just single out those who post something you would be ashamed to be associated with. Ie, anything which judges others in any way, shape or form, regardless of how realistic, impartial, and fair that judgement is. The most intolerant person on the site likes to deride others imagined intolerance. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 I disagree. If you post something that you would submit to a newspaper under your real name then good for you. I am sure that the posts to which I refer, the kinds of ideas that are prominent on KKK and other white supremacy sites, would never be submitted under real names. Do you spend a lot of your time on such sites to know what they speak about? Your views are generally so dull, bland, and sanctimonious all they'd draw is laughter. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 Ie, anything which judges others in any way, shape or form, regardless of how realistic, impartial, and fair that judgement is. The most intolerant person on the site likes to deride others imagined intolerance. Some of us are deriding obvious intolerance; your's in particular. I'm not even sure why you deny it, when you make posts like the one a few posts above where you impugned a billion people based on the practices of a few countries, some of which are not even Muslim countries. Quote
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 The people who are hyper-opposed to this case spell Muslim "N-I-Q-A-B". There may be another contingent, of which Argus is a member, who are still hoping this wedge issue will give the Tories an edge. I'm not sure which group I dislike more at this point. First of all, I've never argued against the court judgement. My only position here is to point out the preposterous nonsense and naive wishful thinking of those who claim the niqab does not represent fundamentalist Islamic beliefs which are largely inimical to our modern secular value systems. I'm amused that so many Quebecers feel so strongly on the issue they've abandoned the NDP over it, but then I've previously expressed my feelings about Quebec's uhm, attitude towards those who are not 'pure wool' on this site. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 Some of us are deriding obvious intolerance; your's in particular. I'm not even sure why you deny it, when you make posts like the one a few posts above where you impugned a billion people based on the practices of a few countries, some of which are not even Muslim countries. I have intolerance towards violently backward social customs, it's true. The delicate and desperately political correct tend to react in horror to anyone daring to criticize any aspect of what other peoples do, but I've never felt the need to express respect for those who practice female genital mutilation, or beat people to death because they think they ate a hamburger or tore a koran, or said something insulting to the prophet, or throw bedsheets around women in case they inspire 'lust' in men. You respect that, okay. I clearly have higher standards than you. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 I have intolerance towards violently backward social customs, it's true. The delicate and desperately political correct tend to react in horror to anyone daring to criticize any aspect of what other peoples do, but I've never felt the need to express respect for those who practice female genital mutilation, or beat people to death because they think they ate a hamburger or tore a koran, or said something insulting to the prophet, or throw bedsheets around women in case they inspire 'lust' in men. You respect that, okay. I clearly have higher standards than you. Your standards seem to be set by the lowest common denominator. It's hard not to call how you judge a billion people by the misconduct of a minority anything but bigotry. You're acting no different than the people who wanted to keep the Irish out, the Italians out, the Chinese out, the Sikhs out, the Vietnamese out. It's the same tired claims of alien cultural influences threatening our precious bodily fluids. Quote
Big Guy Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 Your standards seem to be set by the lowest common denominator. It's hard not to call how you judge a billion people by the misconduct of a minority anything but bigotry. You're acting no different than the people who wanted to keep the Irish out, the Italians out, the Chinese out, the Sikhs out, the Vietnamese out. It's the same tired claims of alien cultural influences threatening our precious bodily fluids. Sometimes the best way to fight racism is to give racists a stage, a microphone and the spotlight. Then allow the audience to make up its own minds. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
cybercoma Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) My only position here is to point out the preposterous nonsense and naive wishful thinking of those who claim the niqab does not represent fundamentalist Islamic beliefs which are largely inimical to our modern secular value systems.Conservatives on this board can't seem to get their arguments straight. Half of them argue that wearing the niqab is not a religious practice, then you get posts like this one that says it is a part of "Islamic fundamentalist beliefs." Which is it? Edited October 14, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
eyeball Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 My point is that if 90% of the people didn't support the Charter it would be rewritten with terms they did support.I'll believe it when I see it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ToadBrother Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 I'll believe it when I see it. Argus has a peculiar belief that Canada is a barely restrained mob. Quote
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) Your standards seem to be set by the lowest common denominator. No, they're set by widespread, demonstrated actions and expressed beliefs as reflected in public opinion polls and surveys. It's hard not to call how you judge a billion people by the misconduct of a minority anything but bigotry. You plucked the 'billion' number out of your fat ass, so don't use it as a strawman to whine at me. You're acting no different than the people who wanted to keep the Irish out, Again, this is garbage, and I've already pointed out why. Edited October 14, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 I'll believe it when I see it. A constitution is only enforceable when it reflects the values and beliefs of the people who live under it. Why is this so shocking an idea to you? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 Incrementalists. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ReeferMadness Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 A constitution is only enforceable when it reflects the values and beliefs of the people who live under it. Why is this so shocking an idea to you? I wasn't aware intolerance was one of our values. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ToadBrother Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 A constitution is only enforceable when it reflects the values and beliefs of the people who live under it. Why is this so shocking an idea to you? Because nothing in this world is as simple as that. Canada is not two people in a room. Quote
Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 I wasn't aware intolerance was one of our values. I'm speaking of the theory of constitutions and their value, not merely on the issue of niqabs. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dialamah Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 I find it rather ironic that just when France bans the burka, it lifts the ban on trousers for women. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/at-last-women-of-paris-can-wear-the-trousers-legally-after-200-year-old-law-is-declared-null-and-8480666.html Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 I find it rather ironic that just when France bans the burka, it lifts the ban on trousers for women. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/at-last-women-of-paris-can-wear-the-trousers-legally-after-200-year-old-law-is-declared-null-and-8480666.html What? Women can wear pants? It's just a misogynist plot. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
kimmy Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Niqabs at citizenship ceremonies has to be the stupidest non-issue to ever impact an election in this country. It disgusts me that dumb-guys have turned it into a campaign issue. It disgusts me even more that it appears to be working. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Niqabs at citizenship ceremonies has to be the stupidest non-issue to ever impact an election in this country. It is very comical watching it from afar. Especially with Halloween just around the corner. We used to wear cheap costumes with a mask that came in a colourful box, but no niqabs. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Niqabs at citizenship ceremonies has to be the stupidest non-issue to ever impact an election in this country. It disgusts me that dumb-guys have turned it into a campaign issue. It disgusts me even more that it appears to be working. -k Is it working? That remains to be seen. I suspect that it's contributing to the public image of the Conservatives as a bunch of opportunists whose main work is to manipulate issues to political advantage. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Is it working? That remains to be seen. I suspect that it's contributing to the public image of the Conservatives as a bunch of opportunists whose main work is to manipulate issues to political advantage. It worked to the extent it destroyed the NDP's chances of winning the election. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kimmy Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 I might wear a Halloween mask when I go vote. I just need two pieces of ID. Doesn't even need to be photo ID. They don't need to see my face. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 It worked to the extent it destroyed the NDP's chances of winning the election. Yaaaaay! The new Conservative coalition: elderly redneck anglophones and snooty pur-laine francophones! -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
On Guard for Thee Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 It worked to the extent it destroyed the NDP's chances of winning the election. And it's working to unseat Harper. Gotta love that silver lining thing. Quote
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