cybercoma Posted September 3, 2015 Author Report Posted September 3, 2015 Doesn't matter, Scotty. The Harper Government clearly isn't doing enough and hasn't lived up to their past commitments and until this point have been hiding information from people about their new commitments, it shouldn't take getting demolished on PnP for them to do something. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) I don't know much about Arab politics and history but I know this much that all these Sheik states (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Arab Emirates, Iraq, Syria, Jordan,...) used to be a single country called Arabia not long ago later divided into countries by artificially drawn borders under British rule. So these Syrian/Iraqi refugees in fact are same as other rich states and used to be countrymen. It would be a lot easier for them to integrate there and start a life right away as if it is their own country. I for one can't tell the difference when I see one as where they come from. Edited September 3, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
cybercoma Posted September 3, 2015 Author Report Posted September 3, 2015 Yeah. Why don't they just go to Saudi Arabia: the bastion of freedom. Quote
Shady Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Please, explain why you believe we should be fighting ISIS but not taking in refugees. Because there are countries in the region that can take them. Quote
Shady Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 You must be awfully upset with the Harper Government™ then. After all, they have committed to taking in 10,000 Syrian refugees. Yes, I don't agree with their decision. I'm hoping they change course. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Yeah. Why don't they just go to Saudi Arabia: the bastion of freedom. These people are running for their lives now Saudi Arabia is not good enough for them because they can't shout death to the King!!!!!. It is food and shelter they need not freedom. You sound like Marie Antoinette who was told that people don't have bread and are starving and she responded why don't they eat cake!!!!!!!. Edited September 3, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Shady Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 And roughly when do you think we should begin taking them? After we are done bombing them perhaps? We should take them following the normal protocols used governing immigration. Quote
Scotty Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 I don't know much about Arab politics and history but I know this much that all these Sheik states (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Arab Emirates, Iraq, Syria, Jordan,...) used to be a single country called Arabia not long ago later divided into countries by artificially drawn borders under British rule. So these Syrian/Iraqi refugees in fact are same as other rich states and used to be countrymen. It would be a lot easier for them to integrate there and start a life right away as if it is their own country. I for one can't tell the difference when I see one as where they come from. All that is true. Despite that countries like Egypt, Jordan and Syria have kept Palestinian refugees in camps for almost seventy years now, refusing to grant them citizenship or integrate them, even though most of them were actually born there. There doesn't seem to be much generosity of spirit in the middle east. They get infuriated when some outsider harms Muslims but they show precious little concern for their fellow Muslims otherwise. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 Because there are countries in the region that can take them. You see them on the train in Hungary today? They were desperate to avoid going to refugee camps to be processed, desperate to make it north. These people are not fleeing death and destruction. They're running towards richer lands in hopes of becoming richer themselves. I don't blame them for wanting to go there but that doesn't mean those countries should take them and pay billions for their upkeep. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
scribblet Posted September 3, 2015 Report Posted September 3, 2015 If this was another government in another time, yes... the Minister would resign after such a huge embarrassment. But this gov't is so cynical that the Minister himself could be over there drowning refugees with his boot on their heads as they gasp for air and there still wouldn't be a resignation. Why, he did nothing wrong. There was no application and the family was safe in Turkey. This tragic death is being used for political gain that's all. If another gov't takes over let's see how fast they can bring them in. Canada takes in her fair share of refugees who must be processed. If Mulcair and Trudeau want to bring in thousands of undocumented migrants now, they should campaign on that and tell us how they propose to get them here and how they will pay for them, and what jobs there are for them etc. etc. Canada cannot take in 100 of thousands of migrants currently massing in Europe and neither can Germany or other countries either. We need to figure out how to stop the fighting then help rebuild. Fighting which is largely due to the failed Arab spring, and now ISIS. The U.K. has had enough, as Cameron said, it's peace and stability that is needed. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
eyeball Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Other points suggests that this family was already in Turkey....away from the fighting and prosecution that they so desperately seeked.....so what was the motivation to risk it all over again to travel further into europe....was it safety.... was it a promise of a better life....what made them risk every thing including their lifes.... They probably realize they need to get away from the tsunami of refugees that's still to come. Or did you think this is the tsunami? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Didn't the fighting start well before American intercession, which started before ours? Wasn't that place a horrific mess long before our minor, mostly supportive role even started? Why do you insist on blaming us? The fight was started a little over a hundred years ago by our staunchest allies. The place was no more a mess than anywhere else in the world, and probably a lot less messed up than some that were blithely preparing for a couple of wars that would wind up killing millions upon millions of human beings around the globe. The roots to this mess go back a long way but it wasn't until we started fertilizing those roots that it spread and worsened to the extent it has. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 I don't blame them for wanting to go there but that doesn't mean those countries should take them and pay billions for their upkeep. A much wiser course of action for these countries would be to pressure the people that keep pouring weapons and reasons to use them into the ME region to stop what they're doing. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 We should take them following the normal protocols used governing immigration. That's quite a backtrack. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Chris Alexander embarrassed himself on national television by blaming his government's inaction on the media. Seriously. This guy is a minister? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Topaz Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Jason Kenney is also saying its not their problem,so if its not our problem then why is the Canadian military over there fighting and there is a frigate that could have been used to help these people but the Tories are saying its NOT our problem. So in other words if people die escaping so be it??????? guess words mean nothing to Harper http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/canada-does-not-bear-responsibility-for-helping-stop-refugee-ships-kenney-said Quote
cybercoma Posted September 4, 2015 Author Report Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Nova Scotia reiterated its offer to the federal government to accept more refugees. They first offered earlier in the summer, but they still have not heard back from the federal government on it. Edited September 4, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
Big Guy Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 The problem is that "public sentiment" is fickle. All we need is that some immigrant or refugee in Canada shoots somebody or does something illegal and the chorus of "stricter regulations" and "fewer immigrants" will begin once again. And if (God help us) there is some kind of terrorist action on Canadain soil we will have people in the streets demanding all Muslims go home and the rest of that bigotry and xenophobia that lies just below the surface of some Canadian mentalities. We will have Harper on a soap box saying "I told you so" but continuing to hide the fact that there was no terrorist problem in Canada until Harper took us into conflict in the Middle East in lock step with the USA. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
kimmy Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 While western nations are being browbeaten for not doing enough to help, the Arab world's richest countries are doing nothing at all. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/04/the-arab-worlds-wealthiest-nations-are-doing-next-to-nothing-for-syrias-refugees/ -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Accountability Now Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Nova Scotia reiterated its offer to the federal government to accept more refugees. They first offered earlier in the summer, but they still have not heard back from the federal government on it. Is Nova Scotia also going to take over welfare, unemployment and the Resettlement Assistance program for these refugees? Also, are they going to guarantee these refugees only stay in Nova Scotia once they are here. Point being made is this is a federal matter for these very reasons and having Nova Scotia offer the space is one thing but there is more to it than that. I see you are worried about Canada hitting 7% unemployment....Nova Scotia is at 8%. You're ok with adding numbers to this? Quote
Black Dog Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Because... ... ... ...double standards Nope. Some of us are familiar with the fable of the frog and the scorpion. Quote
Civis Romanus sum Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Jason Kenney is also saying its not their problem,so if its not our problem then why is the Canadian military over there fighting Its over there fighting so it doesn't become our problem. We prefer to fight our enemies abroad, not wait for them to come here. I consider that quite wise. Quote
Black Dog Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 While western nations are being browbeaten for not doing enough to help, the Arab world's richest countries are doing nothing at all. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/04/the-arab-worlds-wealthiest-nations-are-doing-next-to-nothing-for-syrias-refugees/ -k And why would we expect them to? We know what these places are all about. Quote
Black Dog Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 Its over there fighting so it doesn't become our problem. We prefer to fight our enemies abroad, not wait for them to come here. I consider that quite wise. There's no threat from "there" and our being there only makes the threat here worse. Quote
Rue Posted September 4, 2015 Report Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) The cause of Syrian refugees is Muslim on Muslim violence, terrorism and centuries old war between Shiites and Sunnis not Harper. However it is par for the course for trendy knee jerk leftists to scapegoat Harper. They won't acknowledge the Muslim on Muslim violence is the cause. They won't acknowledge it is the responsibility of the Arab League not Canada to take in these refugees. What they will do is knee jerk react to a picture of a baby on a beach. Notice the sudden concern for Syrian refugees. What about the millions of Africans and other Asians drowning and found dead before this poor child? Where were all you knee jerk liberals? Where were you before yesterday with the dead babies of Sudan, Malawi, on and on? Why is it since the baby is white, you suddenly feel outrage. What about all the dead black babies showing up on shore in Greece? Hmm? Not a peep before today about dead babies from Africa, but suddenly a white looking one one shows up and here we go, its Harper's fault. He's the one to blame. Harper is the only politician who has said, knee jerk reacting to the symptom and not addressing the corps issues will not solve this problem we need to fight ISIL. Justin and Mulcair are crass manipulative cowards hiding behind a dead baby to try exploit outrage to get them some votes. The two of them are phonies just like some of you on this forum with your selective outrage that singles out only Syrian refugees.. You liberal knee jerks engage in selective, discriminatory guilt. Its selective, its trendy and it moves on to he next guilt iissue of the week very quickly. Now you want to just scrap immigration and refugee law it because you feel guilty and engage in selective cherry picking because you saw a dead white baby, ignore the millions of Africans and other Asians, and select only Syrians for special treatment? What b.s. Trend of the day-Syrians. You liberal knee jerkers given any thought to who is coming in with cute white babies? What will you do with the pedophiles, rapists, sociopathic killers, terrorists, fundamentalist Muslims flooding in with these refugees. You think they are all cute white babies? Grow up. Millions have died, millions more will die. That Syrian baby was one of thousands. The fact you suddenly saw a picture of one and it disturbs you eating your Big Mac doesn't mean knee jerk reacting will make your guilt go away. This crisis is one of many. It needs proper analysis and skilled handling. You arm chair geniuses go back to your Big Macs. You aint about to put them down to commit to spending your personal money on Syrians or anyone else. You want to point fingers, start with Muslim extremists, terrorists, the rich Arab nations doing sweet phack all. There are many refugees not just from Syria. get a grip. Edited September 4, 2015 by Rue Quote
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