cybercoma Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Why don't these parents or any of us allow that same 8YO to go completely naked? Why don't they? Why aren't adults allowed to be naked at swimming spots? Why do we care so much about nudity at all? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Posted June 25, 2015 Why don't they? Why aren't adults allowed to be naked at swimming spots? Why do we care so much about nudity at all? Just answer the question. If this girl can go without a top, why not just go without bottoms too? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
WWWTT Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 It's not about fear, it's about not wanting some creep jacking off to pictures of my daughter. Those two hippies are so worried about society sexualizing their 8 yo daughter, but they're clueless to the fact that there are sickos who will take pictures of their child for perverted reasons. Taking pictures in public is protected under the charter. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Just answer the question. If this girl can go without a top, why not just go without bottoms too? Why not? Why not let everyone of any age go around naked. Quote
Guest Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Why not? Why not let everyone of any age go around naked. Can you imagine the the G7 debates? The Rob Ford interviews? Walmart!?!? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Why not? Why not let everyone of any age go around naked. Well, if that's your opinion, i really have to question your judgement. Edited June 25, 2015 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Bonam Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Everyone should be able to walk around topless at any age. And bottomless, as well. The human body is not something to be ashamed of. At the very least, the government shouldn't be having laws about this. Private establishments can have dress codes, and many families might instill certain values regarding covering up if they wish, but the government shouldn't be in the business of telling people that their bodies must be hidden. Edited June 25, 2015 by Bonam Quote
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 And bottomless, as well. The human body is not something to be ashamed of. At the very least, the government shouldn't be having laws about this. Private establishments can have dress codes, and many families might instill certain values regarding covering up if they wish, but the government shouldn't be in the business of telling people that their bodies must be hidden. Sure. Why not? Quote
Canada_First Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 And bottomless, as well. The human body is not something to be ashamed of. At the very least, the government shouldn't be having laws about this. Private establishments can have dress codes, and many families might instill certain values regarding covering up if they wish, but the government shouldn't be in the business of telling people that their bodies must be hidden. Sure. Why not? SMH... Are you guys serious? You'd have your children going into a public pool completely naked? Quote
msj Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Like other threads dealing with children and parental responsibilities, there is a difference of opinion between those with children and those without and arguing a philosophical point. Hmmm, pretty sure the father who drives his 18 year old daughter to life drawing every 2 weeks so she can pose naked for the class would beg to differ. I also think many of the models, one of whom comes from a family of nudists, would beg to differ to. Non sequitur big time here. Sometimes a naked body is just a naked body and if someone else gets off over it then why should we care? How is looking at and/or being looked at perverted (assuming no leering going on, of course)? Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
poochy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 We seem to have drawn a line that people don't show their genitals in public, which is reasonable, opinions vary, but women have the right to be just as topless as men, therefore so does this 8 year old girl, just let her be, this is ridiculous. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 SMH... Are you guys serious? You'd have your children going into a public pool completely naked? I guess you are against 'wreck beach'? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Well, if that's your opinion, i really have to question your judgement. Gosh, let's not let our children run naked at the beaches of BC. Good grief. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
poochy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Gosh, let's not let our children run naked at the beaches of BC. Good grief. What's next? Breast feeding? Seriously people, this is a stupid thing to worry about, she's 8, and it would make no difference if she was 18 or 80. I couldn't imagine having to tell an 8 year old girl to put her top on, just why exactly. Quote
jacee Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 cybercoma, on 24 Jun 2015 - 9:02 PM, said: Why not? Why not let everyone of any age go around naked. Can you imagine the the G7 debates? The Rob Ford interviews? Walmart!?!? :lol: . Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 :lol: . Can we not get anymore serious? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
kimmy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 I walked past the beach on Sunday; it was jam packed, and among the crowd was a topless young woman. The dozens of young men in the area didn't go berzerk or attack her like a bunch of pit-bulls after a steak. Anarchy didn't break out. The mountain god did not become angry and erupt a volcano. There wasn't a boobquake. The world didn't end. Personally my preference is to keep the kimmables covered in public, though. I would just prefer to not be a center of attention. Also, I sunburn really easily. If I had kids I think I would want them to follow fairly traditional standards of dress until they're old enough that I can't tell them what to do. Also, if we're talking about community standards and common decency, is there a way we could consider a ban on over-the-hill, over-tanned, overweight dudes showing off their leathery moobs in public? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) What's next? Breast feeding? Seriously people, this is a stupid thing to worry about, she's 8, and it would make no difference if she was 18 or 80. I couldn't imagine having to tell an 8 year old girl to put her top on, just why exactly. Breastfeeding? What eactly is your connection between breastfeeding and letting kids run wild. Edited June 25, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 I walked past the beach on Sunday; it was jam packed, and among the crowd was a topless young woman. The dozens of young men in the area didn't go berzerk or attack her like a bunch of pit-bulls after a steak. Anarchy didn't break out. The mountain god did not become angry and erupt a volcano. There wasn't a boobquake. The world didn't end. Personally my preference is to keep the kimmables covered in public, though. I would just prefer to not be a center of attention. Also, I sunburn really easily. If I had kids I think I would want them to follow fairly traditional standards of dress until they're old enough that I can't tell them what to do. Also, if we're talking about community standards and common decency, is there a way we could consider a ban on over-the-hill, over-tanned, overweight dudes showing off their leathery moobs in public? -k I think the issue was kids running around topless in the lake. Let's not become puritan like the u.s. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
poochy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Breastfeeding? What eactly is your connection between breastfeeding and letting kids run wild. Well it's obvious, but since you asked, there seems to be a far too puritanical attitude towards women's breasts, and as there have been complaints even about women breastfeeding in public, i put the apparent shock of an 8 yr old girl going topless in a similarly stupid category. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Posted June 25, 2015 You people are drawing "parallels" are really parallel at all. This isn't an 18 YO that's volunteered for an art class in a controlled environment, or a young woman who goes to a topless beach or breast feeding. No one here is oppressing women, no one's showing a puritanical attitude against breasts. I simply think that 8 YO girls are beginning to enter that pubescent stage and should start to protect their privacy - their body. They are getting small boobies, pubic hair and in many cases, starting the stage of periods. If you people want to parade your children around naked throughout these years - fair enough, but don't try to turn this around to society's problem, or Hal's uptightness. ....and people wonder how or why the younger generation has entitlement issues. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Topaz Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 Some 8 year old girls can have a very short hair cut like a boy and no one would ever know that difference and then we wouldn't be having this on topic. Since the law is on the side of the girl, its more of a problem who told her to cover up. Quote
Black Dog Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 There is a difference between fear and dislike. PoTAYto poTAHto. I don't fear anything, however i would dislike the idea of a pervert masturbating to pictures of my topless 8 YO daughter - and believe me, it does happen. How do you know this? If you have an 8YO girl, then fine, let all the creeps masturbate to her picture all you want, I prefer to not go down that road. A naked 8YO girl is more sexualized than one wearing a bathing suit. We're not talking about naked here. In what world is keeping your body private a bad thing? Given that we live in a world where women and girls are routinely judged/shamed for wearing too many clothes/not enough clothes, I think it's worth having a conversation about why these things are. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Posted June 25, 2015 PoTAYto poTAHto. How do you know this? We're not talking about naked here. Given that we live in a world where women and girls are routinely judged/shamed for wearing too many clothes/not enough clothes, I think it's worth having a conversation about why these things are. I know it because I have kids, friends and sisters, because I read the warnings sent out, because i (and my wife) work in the social system, because I know people at the police station, because I live and breathe in the real word. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
msj Posted June 25, 2015 Report Posted June 25, 2015 If you people want to parade your children around naked throughout these years - fair enough, but don't try to turn this around to society's problem, or Hal's uptightness. ....and people wonder how or why the younger generation has entitlement issues. Well, I wonder about these alleged "entitlement issues." Are they the sense of entitlement by society to force women to cover up? And by extension children? No, this is merely a difference of opinion: some people are like me and go "meh" when it comes to nudity and other people get all excited about it and think of sexual predation etc. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
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