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Wouldn't that mean taking over control of a lot of third world countries which are basket cases being run by thugs and trying to set things right -- against the wishes of the locals?

No it would only mean exercising better control over the I% who are in power over our countries in the west. Once decency finally starts radiating down the rest would see the light soon enough and follow along.
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Of course they were. People's hobbies are far more important than saving lives, you see.

In the United States, the People's Rights........

Where are all the threads on the daily black-on-black killings?

....The homicide rate among black victims in the United States was 17.90 per 100,000. For that year, the overall national homicide rate was 4.76 per 100,000. For whites, the national homicide rate was 2.92 per 100,000.

Why does the media focus on infrequent incidents of police killing blacks or in this case in the OP, but largely ignore the daily killing of blacks, by blacks?

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No it would only mean exercising better control over the I% who are in power over our countries in the west. Once decency finally starts radiating down the rest would see the light soon enough and follow along.

That's an odd position to take. Do you really think that if the US were to act differently, all the other countries in the world would follow suit? North Korea would open its doors and feed its population. Middle Eastern countries would welcome blasphemers with informed discourse. Witch Doctors in Uganda would embrace children and offer them succor instead of using their bits to try and cure ailments. Rangers and Celtic fans would sing together during the Old Firm match.

I don't know...

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Good to know.......same question as above:

Why doesn't Jon Stewart address the daily killing of blacks, by blacks?

Do you consider blacks killing blacks a hate crime with its roots in racism? What about whites killing whites then? The obfuscation displayed in posts like this are what convinces me of the validity of his observations.

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Why does the media focus on infrequent incidents of police killing blacks or in this case in the OP, but largely ignore the daily killing of blacks, by blacks?

Because black people aren't killing other black people because they hate the color of their own skin. We'd have to focus just as much attention on white people killing white people. But the reason these people kill each other isn't because they hate the colour of their skin. Should be a no brainer.

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Do you consider blacks killing blacks a hate crime with its roots in racism? What about whites killing whites then? The obfuscation displayed in posts like this are what convinces me of the validity of his observations.

Not at all, likewise I don't consider a white cop killing a black armed robber, nor a black rapist killing a white women as a hate crime........Though I don't deny, as in this case, there are without a doubt racially motivated killings in the United States, I feel they are vastly overstated, ignoring far more prevalent violence..........

I would think ignoring the far more daily killings of blacks, by blacks, in itself is a form of racism.......

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Because black people aren't killing other black people because they hate the color of their own skin. We'd have to focus just as much attention on white people killing white people. But the reason these people kill each other isn't because they hate the colour of their skin. Should be a no brainer.

But the majority of blacks that are being killed by other blacks is because why?

The no brainer, it would seem, would be to address the vastly larger problem than one that is within the minority........

How many of the average ~6000 blacks killed a year in the United States are as a result of racially motivated violence?

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But the majority of blacks that are being killed by other blacks is because why?

The no brainer, it would seem, would be to address the vastly larger problem than one that is within the minority........

How many of the average ~6000 blacks killed a year in the United States are as a result of racially motivated violence?

Well I'd assume a range of issues related mostly to the fact that North America and the US in particular has a violent culture. How do you stop the vastly larger problem of a culture that is perpetuated by violence? It's not video games, those exist everywhere, could it be guns? Well some countries have lots of guns and manage to keep themselves in check. Why is the USA so bloodthirtsy? What is this obsession with killing sprees and violence that frequently transcends race. Whites, blacks and hispanics all love to kill eachother and themselves. What is the root of the problem? People have been asking this for a long time.

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Not at all, likewise I don't consider a white cop killing a black armed robber, nor a black rapist killing a white women as a hate crime........Though I don't deny, as in this case, there are without a doubt racially motivated killings in the United States, I feel they are vastly overstated, ignoring far more prevalent violence..........

I would think ignoring the far more daily killings of blacks, by blacks, in itself is a form of racism.......

Agreed....along the entire continuum of U.S. homicides and reasons for homicides, purely racially motivated killing is not a major factor. If body count matters, it is a form of "racism" to ignore the obvious.

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Agreed....along the entire continuum of U.S. homicides and reasons for homicides, purely racially motivated killing is not a major factor. If body count matters, it is a form of "racism" to ignore the obvious.

Exactly........what I found odd about the entire racial narrative in this OP is this:

Christon Scriven, who is black, told The Associated Press on Friday that on June 10, while they were getting drunk, Roof announced plans to carry out a mass shooting seven days later at the College of Charleston.

Scriven said he thought the threat was just drunken bluster. Still, he and another friend, Joey Meek, were concerned enough that they went out to Roof's car and retrieved Roof's handgun, hiding it until they all sobered up.

So Roof had a black friend, and boasted about planning a mass killing.......Aside from an alleged racist hanging out with his black friend, one would think if one was fearful enough to remove his gun from his person, one would also contact the police?

Furthermore:

Dylann Roof, who is suspected of killing nine people during a bible study meeting at a South Carolina church, was taking a drug linked to sudden outbursts of violence, it has emerged.

The 21-year-old allegedly joined the meeting for an hour on Wednesday night before opening fire on his victims and fleeing. He was arrested in Shelby, North Carolina on Thursday morning and taken into custody before he was extradited back to South Carolina last night.

It has since emerged that he was arrested twice at a mall in Columbia earlier this year. In one instance, he was carrying 'orange strips' that he said was suboxone, CBS News reported.

Suboxone is used to treat addiction of opiods, including painkillers and heroin, but the drug is highly-addictive itself and has been linked to sudden outbursts of anger and violence, according to stories shared by users and their partners online.

So Roof was using medication/drugs that caused violent outbursts? I think this fact, and that an alleged racist hangs out with a Black friend, alters the narrative......

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Agreed....along the entire continuum of U.S. homicides and reasons for homicides, purely racially motivated killing is not a major factor. If body count matters, it is a form of "racism" to ignore the obvious.

Of course not, and it isn't even close, one sixth of the white population committing very nearly the same number of murders that also murders twice as many of the white population as the white population does black. But for some strange reason the SJW's don't talk much about that. Hey maybe those numbers are the fault of racism, and a whole host of other things, but ultimately, when it comes to murder, the numbers aren't close, so who is terrorizing who exactly.

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Right, but most mass shootings occur in areas where gun control prevents their legal possession.....

Cite?

Are drivers of cars or drinkers of alcohol to blame for the near equal annual total of drunk driving deaths?

There are twice as many firearms deaths as drunk driving fatalities in the U.S.

No......"gun control", though ineffective regardless, will be made moot in the years ahead......As "gun nuts" have been saying for years, if you actually want to address the problem, you need "people control", or better put, address the causes of both violence and mental illness.

It's not either/or. Suggesting it is is a false choice. As for the 3D printing thing, guess they'll have to look at ways of regulating 3D printed guns.

Said it before and I'll say it again: it's sad that people like you feel your hobby is more important than the grotesque human costs the proliferation of firearms causes.

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And if he did what would you have to say?

Yeah, I thought so. Red herring.

Just go back to the thread where the kid shot up the movie theatre or the thread where the kid shot up the school or the thread where anyone committed mass murder. There you'll have Derek spending most of his posts defending the killer's people's right to have easy access to the tools of their gruesome trade.

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Cite?

Here:

John Lott, an economist and gun rights advocate who authored the book "More Guns, Less Crime," recently examined mass shootings. He discovered that: "With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns."
There are twice as many firearms deaths as drunk driving fatalities in the U.S.

Ahh, but were talking about homicides, of which, as I said, the numbers are near parity:

Drunk Driving:

In 2013, 10,076 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (31%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.

Gun Homicides:

Firearm homicides
  • Number of deaths: 11,208
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.5
It's not either/or. Suggesting it is is a false choice. As for the 3D printing thing, guess they'll have to look at ways of regulating 3D printed guns.

Right.....like how they did with recreational drugs, child porn and illegal movie/music downloads :lol:

Said it before and I'll say it again: it's sad that people like you feel your hobby is more important than the grotesque human costs the proliferation of firearms causes.

Its sad that people like you focus on controlling something that you never will, instead of working to address the underlying causes of violent crime and treatment for mental illness...........

One would think most people, on both sides of the gun rights/control debate would be in favor of reducing violent crime and addressing mental illness.

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I'm just reading about this now. "You have to go" sounds like a goal.

Yes, but is it considered ideological. As I read more, it does seem closer to terrorism, but it is still borderline. Did he release some sort of Manifesto like Anders Brevik did?

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And if he did what would you have to say?

Yeah, I thought so. Red herring.

I don't know what I'd say, I'd be shocked if an elitist, left leaning personality in the media actually addressed the issue with the same level of passion as they do with these lesser events.......

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Just go back to the thread where the kid shot up the movie theatre or the thread where the kid shot up the school or the thread where anyone committed mass murder. There you'll have Derek spending most of his posts defending the killer's people's right to have easy access to the tools of their gruesome trade.

And in such threads, you and Black Dog will also bleat on about gun control........yet since the 2012 Aurora shooting, nearly 7-8 million additional firearms have been produced in the United States, at an annual rate only ever repeated in the nations history during the Second World War, in addition to somewhere between 13-14 Billion rounds of ammunition........

Proponents of gun control, you've failed.

Time to start addressing the real issues that cause violent crime and that allows mental illness to go untreated.

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