Big Pharma and Lawsuits related to vaccines

[cannuck]

It IS true that vaccines CAN be harmful.   Of course, it is also true that water can be toxic.   ANYTHING you put into your body presents some kind of risk, and given the billions of users of water and vaccine, there is going to be thousands of bad reactions.   It has to be weighed against the BILLIONS of extremely good outcomes that are the norm.  While Big Pharma is not on my Christmas list, to state that they are conspiring with dozens of other major players to make us ill to be able to sell vaccine is letting the tinfoil hat get a little bit too tight.  Those kinds of elaborate conspiracy theories miss the one thing that is obvious to anyone experienced in investigations:  you can't keep that many mouths shut for more than a very, very short time.  Of course, the conspiracy theory nutjobs think they all just get murdered to keep them quiet.   Problem with that is if you call all of your members, there is no one left to carry out the conspiracy.

[taxme]

23 hours ago, Boges said:

Peddling the Autism myth is an excellent way for me to discredit everything you say. 

BTW your boy Trump will be the first one looking to peddle a COVID-19 Vaccine. 

Trump has to play the game of the deep state globalists like pro vaccine Gates and Fauci. Trump is not that stupid like most Canadians are, and especially those who believe that this China hoax of a virus is the new plague. Sure we have some virus flying around in Canada today but this virus is no different to any other virus that comes around every year unless it is a bio weapon virus that has been let out of the cage in China either by accident or on purpose. Then we are all in trouble. 

It's good to see that the government is finally going to start to allow more businesses to open up. Hopefully, this will lead soon to getting back to normal as it once was before this farce was imposed on they the gullible people. I know of no one that has contracted this virus, and not even a cold, and I am pretty sure that many members here know of know one who got this China virus. The game is rigged in favor of big pharma. Believe it or not. 

[Boges]

Trump can fire Fauci. He demoted people that didn't peddle his snake oil Hydroxychloroquine

Why hasn't he? He clearly disagrees with almost everything he says. 

Things won't go back to normal because Social Distancing is still supported by the majority of the population. People who aren't prone do Natural Selection are going to be careful what they do in the coming months. 

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Trump can fire Fauci. He demoted people that didn't peddle his snake oil Hydroxychloroquine

Why hasn't he? He clearly disagrees with almost everything he says.

 

Because Dr. Fauci serves a very useful political purpose beyond his years of epidemiological experience that has also clashed with previous U.S. presidents.

President Trump needs Fauci as a foil to push for re-opening the U.S. economy, and Fauci needs Trump to support mitigation and therapy/vaccine development.

Neither have anything to do with pharma lawsuits in Canada, but Trump will continue to dominate anyway....because he just does.

[Boges]

25 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Because Dr. Fauci serves a very useful political purpose beyond his years of epidemiological experience that has also clashed with previous U.S. presidents.

President Trump needs Fauci as a foil to push for re-opening the U.S. economy, and Fauci needs Trump to support mitigation and therapy/vaccine development.

Neither have anything to do with pharma lawsuits in Canada, but Trump will continue to dominate anyway....because he just does.

Your boy taxme brought him up. 

Apparently COVID-19 is a deep state plot now. And I guess the 75,000 plus people that died are chilling with all the people from 9/11 in some underground bunker. 

Edited May 7, 2020 by Boges

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Your boy tame brought him up. 

Apparently COVID-19 is a deep state plot now. And I guess the 75,000 plus people that died are chilling with all the people from 9/11 in some underground bunker. 

 

Doesn't matter...you, like so many others, are predisposed to join in anyway, like moths to the Trump flame.

I guess the thousands of dead in Canada will no longer be able to join in the Trump fun anymore.   RIP....because apparently that's what it takes to get their minds off of TRUMP.

 

Edited May 7, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Queenmandy85]

Anyone who buys the anti vaxxer BS is beneath stupid. Darwin in action.  Get vaccinated.

Edited May 7, 2020 by Queenmandy85

[Queenmandy85]

On 5/6/2020 at 2:09 PM, taxme said:

I am very comfortable about being an anti-vaccine cowboy,

Actually, my favourite classic last words are: "Hey, I can do that. Hold my beer." 

[Moonbox]

On 5/7/2020 at 4:13 PM, Boges said:

Your boy taxme brought him up. 

Apparently COVID-19 is a deep state plot now. And I guess the 75,000 plus people that died are chilling with all the people from 9/11 in some underground bunker. 

Um, the correct spelling is D E E P S T A T E.  You can use hyphens between each letter if you like, but it's not necessary.  

[taxme]

On 5/7/2020 at 4:56 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

Anyone who buys the anti vaxxer BS is beneath stupid. Darwin in action.  Get vaccinated.

I would rather be "beneath stupid" than take globalist  Bill "Gates of hell" vaccine like so many stupid people here will no doubt probably do. I heard that when Billie Bob brings out his new vaccine there may well be some corona virus added to the vaccine mix which will mean that anyone that takes the vaccine, and then gets tested, alive or dead, will now show that more people have the virus, and then there will be even a bigger shutdown than what we have seen today. Never trust a deep state globalist. They only live for money, power and control over stupid people, especially those who will take his wonderful life saving vaccine. It's all about making sick people sicker, and to try to get the rest of the world vaccinated so Billie Bob can make lots of moola. Hey, we never know, eh? 

[taxme]

On 5/7/2020 at 12:43 PM, Boges said:

Trump can fire Fauci. He demoted people that didn't peddle his snake oil Hydroxychloroquine

Why hasn't he? He clearly disagrees with almost everything he says. 

Things won't go back to normal because Social Distancing is still supported by the majority of the population. People who aren't prone do Natural Selection are going to be careful what they do in the coming months. 

I heard that Trump cannot fire foxy Fauci on FOX NEWS yesterday. I believe that I heard it on Tucker's show. Lucky bastard. But no matter, Trump is starting to wind foxy Fauci down, and none to soon. It has already been proven that Hydroxychloroquine does and has worked on people who got the China virus. Many people recovered from the virus after using that drug.

You are the one that is trying to peddle snake oil here, like the "Gates of hell" vaccines. So, what proof do you have that the Hydroxy drug does not work? Is your proof going to be CNN, MSNBC, or the CBC by chance? Yup, those honest to goodness outfits are really reliable to listen to and believe with everything they say, right? They never lie nor produce fake stories now do they, eh? But when Gates comes out with his miracle vaccine, I hope that you will be the first in line for your Gates injection vaccine shot. I will laugh at you as I drive by. Ha-ha-ha. 

But we all should know by now that those 3 fake news outfits I mentioned above  are three of the biggest liars and bullshitters of fake news ever known to man and woman. Those three sure do rely on trained seals like you who will listen to their bull chit. Next they will be telling us all that the sky is starting to fall down, and people like you will believe it. Believe it or not. Chuckle-chuckle. 

Nothing can or will get back to normal as long as there are the many buffoons out there who will still believe this hoax of a story. What people are getting is what people get every year? The seasonal flu bug. So, how many do you know that have already died from this big bad scary flu bug seeing that this is the mother virus of them all? Well? 

PS: So, when are you going to tell me as to where you would prefer to live? Will it be China or America? I am still waiting breathlessly for your answer. 

[Queenmandy85]

23 minutes ago, taxme said:

So, when are you going to tell me as to where you would prefer to live? Will it be China or America? I am still waiting breathlessly for your answer.

Maybe Russia? How is the weather there in Moscow, Tovarich?

[taxme]

36 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Maybe Russia? How is the weather there in Moscow, Tovarich?

I would not know what the weather is in Russia, comrade? Btw, where is Saskatoon in Russia anyway, comrade? Just wondering. 

 

Edited May 9, 2020 by taxme

[taxme]

43 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Maybe Russia? How is the weather there in Moscow, Tovarich?

Canada has now become a liberal, socialist and communist paradise for most of our dear comrade leaders today who now have been given the power and authority and control over we the sheeple to decide our fates as to what we can do, or where we can go, or maybe even what we say. And if we do not comply with their dictatorial demands, and dare to question or challenge their orders and demands, we the sheeple will be either fined or jailed for those who will dare to defy their dictators orders. I guess we are all seeing what life must be like living in a communist country now. 

So tell me something? What makes this seasonal virus flu bug any worse than what all of the other just as serious viruses that have come along for decades now like SARS, H1NI, Ebola, and so many other viruses that pop in every year or three?  There never was any shutdowns like this ever happening before over some other serious viruses. So, why this one? Just curious as to what your answer would be? Over to you. 

[Queenmandy85]

It is not a flu virus. It has a higher mortality rate than H1N1, and is far more contagious than SARS, MERS and Ebola. It is no where near as bad as the Black Death which was is believed to have been a combination of Bubonic and Pneumonic plague. It also has a longer incubation period during which the patient shows no symptoms but is contagious for several days. It has killed almost three million people in five months and is only getting started in South America and Africa where its impact will be far worse.

In regions where the shut down and testing were vigourous and early, with massive buy-in by the public, the impact of the virus his been moderated. Maintaining public compliance will be the true test. 

PS. I get the impression you have never met anyone who actually lived under "communism." (It is really just a totalitarian cleptocracy). They would tell you how different and how terrible it really is. We have it pretty great here. If this were really a communist country and I were an officer in the Kometat Gosudarstvenoi Bezopasnoti, Shluzba section, I would be taking notes and one of these days, Argus is going to be asking, "Gee, I wonder where Taxme is?" Of course Argus would be smart enough to not ask because he doesn't want to vanish either.

At work,, back in the 1980's and 90's there were a fair number of international students from the People's Republic of China. They lived in the student residences and a few of them were actually Political Officers, there to watch over their flock and give them "guidence" if they required it. Just so you know, real "communism" is very bad. If it were actually here, you would not survive.

All power to the Prolitariat, Tovarich.

Edited May 9, 2020 by Queenmandy85

[taxme]

21 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

It is not a flu virus. It has a higher mortality rate than H1N1, and is far more contagious than SARS, MERS and Ebola. It is no where near as bad as the Black Death which was is believed to have been a combination of Bubonic and Pneumonic plague. It also has a longer incubation period during which the patient shows no symptoms but is contagious for several days. It has killed almost three million people in five months and is only getting started in South America and Africa where its impact will be far worse.

In regions where the shut down and testing were vigourous and early, with massive buy-in by the public, the impact of the virus his been moderated. Maintaining public compliance will be the true test. 

PS. I get the impression you have never met anyone who actually lived under "communism." (It is really just a totalitarian cleptocracy). They would tell you how different and how terrible it really is. We have it pretty great here. If this were really a communist country and I were an officer in the Kometat Gosudarstvenoi Bezopasnoti, Shluzba section, I would be taking notes and one of these days, Argus is going to be asking, "Gee, I wonder where Taxme is?" Of course Argus would be smart enough to not ask because he doesn't want to vanish either.

At work,, back in the 1980's and 90's there were a fair number of international students from the People's Republic of China. They lived in the student residences and a few of them were actually Political Officers, there to watch over their flock and give them "guidence" if they required it. Just so you know, real "communism" is very bad. If it were actually here, you would not survive.

All power to the Prolitariat, Tovarich.

Well spoken like a true Canadian trained deep state globalist seal. You obviously listen way too much to CNN, MSNBC, CTV, and the CBC for all of your daily brainwashing plandemic exercise hoax of a virus training, comrade. You truly will make a fine comrade if you are not one already. Sadly for you, our dear comrade leaders and the bought off Canadian media just love people like you whom they could easily manipulate and brainwash into believing anything they say. They know that if they repeat it enough times, people like you will start to believe it, and has we can see so far, they have you by the knockers. 

What I find very interesting about people like you is that you seem to like to make it appear as though you are some kind of an expert on this China virus. As far as I am concerned, you know dyk all about this virus. You are only going by what your dear comrade leaders and the lying media are telling you. But I do know a lot about this virus though? It is just one of the many seasonal flu bugs that come around every year to try and make our lives miserable.

Millions get sick and thousands of people die every year around the world from the many seasonal viruses that come around every year. This one virus has come nowhere close to the many other viruses that have come along over the centuries that have caused even more sickness and death. Actually, viruses are good because they get to make the immune system do it's job. Our immune system will kill off any viruses as long as one stays healthy, eats properly, gets plenty of fresh air and sunshine and exercise, and all should be well. A weak immune system can make anyone sick from any viruses out there, and it is said that there are plenty of viruses out there that would like to make us all sick. Unless this virus is a bio weapon virus released on the world by accident or on purpose, we will never be told. For now, I am going with this virus as being nothing more than your regular seasonal flu virus. 

I have known a couple who did live under communism and who were able to escape from Hungary. They have told me all I need to know about communism, comrade. You appear to be quite ready and able to accept communism in Canada because you are doing exactly what our dear comrade leaders want you to do these days. Allow your freedom of speech and freedom of assembly to be trampled on and taken away all in the name of this China virus. You pretty much have lost a lot of your freedom today. Trudeau wanted to even try and make it a law that no one would be allowed to question the official narrative of this virus. Now that is communism, comrade.  

So, you go ahead and get your globalist vaccination with whatever they will put in it. Have you ever heard of the mark of the beast or an RFID chip? It is believed that this vaccine for this virus will have something in it that can track your every move. And so, like you said, if I took the vaccine there will be no place for me to hide. I can be tracked living in a cave deep in the Amazon jungle where no man has gone before. The information is out there, but then again it would appear to me as though you are not all that much interested in trying to get the other side of the story, right? Just saying, comrade.   

[Queenmandy85]

9 minutes ago, taxme said:

This one virus has come nowhere close to the many other viruses that have come along over the centuries that have caused even more sickness and death.

That is something we can agree on. You and I rarely agree. If we did, it wouldn't be very interesting. Thanks.

[taxme]

On 5/10/2020 at 11:17 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

That is something we can agree on. You and I rarely agree. If we did, it wouldn't be very interesting. Thanks.

Aw geez, now I have to go and look for someone else to disagree with. LOL.  

[Guest ProudConservative]

On 5/3/2020 at 4:17 PM, taxme said:

I recently found out that all of the big pharma companies in Canada and America cannot be sued if their vaccines does any harm to anyone after anyone has been vaccinated with their vaccines. Why is that anyway? Why should big pharma be protected from lawsuits by anyone for taking their vaccines if there is nothing to worry about taking those vaccines and that they all are safe.

Here's why I won't be taking any vaccine.

It's no wonder, why all these liberal fools have to put up with "Anti-Vaxxers". Well check the ingredients. Mercury is the most toxic non radioactive element on the planet.

https://www.thoughtco.com/worst-elements-on-the-periodic-table-3989077

Mercury is so poisonous to the brain, that they put out warning labels certain types fish. Why would I take a shot of Mercury directly into my bloodstream? Why would I trust big pharma, when they have been poisoning our children for decades?

Look, a vaccine can give you protection against one particular strain, but with all it's toxicity, it will permanently degrade your immune system for life. What good is getting protection against Covid, if you'll end up having a higher chance of getting seriously ill from the next pandemic?

In my opinion, our best defense, is to invest more in nutrition. That means growing our food responsibly, and eating more raw vegetables to get the vitamins, the nutrients, and all the enzymes that won't survive cooked food.

Do you remember hearing all about how the natives were getting wiped our from European diseases? Well it turns out the natives basically ate meat, and almost nothing else. They had a critical shortage in vitamin C, and essential enzymes that only comes from eating raw fruits and vegetables. So while white people are still getting blamed for the demise of their ancestors, it turns out, they had a very limited diet.

If you ask me why so many people get sick, it's because humans are the only species on the planet that eats cooked food. Everything else in nature consumes uncooked food. High temperature destroys all the good bacteria, and the living components in our food. This is what is making us sick.

For all you conspiracy skeptics out there. Another thing you need to ask yourself, If vaccines were so good for you, why does it it seem to take forever to develop them?

With billions of dollars at their disposal, why does the public have to wait until a pandemic has run it's course, before they can choose to take a vaccine? If they really knew what they were doing, they could get a vaccine out in 6 months, instead of a year and a half.

If we really want to slow the spread of pandemics, then why don't we ban the sale of cigarettes. Every time I go to the grocery store, I have to put up with some smoker hacking. As soon as I leave the store, I see these people lighting up. Maybe we could ban the sale of cigarettes, since these selfish pricks, can't seem to stop coughing when they enter the stores.

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Michael Hardner]

I suspect that evolution will take care of the new strain of human who thinks that they're smarter than medical experts.

BTW you posted the disinformation meme graphic TWICE in the post.  Do you even know where it came from?  A naive person wouldn't answer, or wouldn't know...

[Guest ProudConservative]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I suspect that evolution will take care of the new strain of human who thinks that they're smarter than medical experts.

BTW you posted the disinformation meme graphic TWICE in the post.  Do you even know where it came from?  A naive person wouldn't answer, or wouldn't know...

Oh so you think that the peasants, who dare to question what goes into their body, don't deserve to live?

You're begging to sound like a globalist shill. I bet you're a retired insider, with too much time and money, on his hands. You even claim to volunteer for the Illuminati. You mentioned that Covid 19 was never mentioned at any of their meetings? My question is WTF are you doing hanging around that satanic organization? Every substance listed there is in the vaccine inserts listed on the FDA website. Someone of your caliber would already know this. If you want people vaccinated, to stop the spread of diseases, then they're got to stop putting this crap in them.

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

1. Oh so you think that the peasants, who dare to question what goes into their body, don't deserve to live?

2. You're begging to sound like a globalist shill.

3. I bet you're a retired insider, with too much time and money, on his hands.

4. You even claim to volunteer for the Illuminati. You mentioned that Covid 19 was never mentioned at any of their meetings? My question is WTF are you doing hanging around that satanic organization?  

1. As Clint Eastwood says to William Munny in 'Unforgiven' "Deserve's got nothing to do with it".  Anyway, I *wish* they were just asking people who know the answers, but instead what they (and you) are doing is spreading falsehoods and misleading information -  not asking but telling.
2. Globalist shill ?  That's another one of those meaningless terms that the meme makers pass around... was Brian Mulroney a Globalist Shill ?  Margaret Thatcher ?
3. Why thank you.
4. Huh ?  What ?  Real conservatives should be, by now, petitioning the moderators to make you change your name here...

Also notable: YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.  Who is making the memes you spread around here ?  Where do they come from ?  Do you post them because you are unable to post your own thoughts ?  They sure don't qualify as 'sources'...

[Rue]

22 hours ago, taxme said:

Aw geez, now I have to go and look for someone else to disagree with. LOL.  

Here I am.

[Rue]

38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. As Clint Eastwood says to William Munny in 'Unforgiven' "Deserve's got nothing to do with it".  Anyway, I *wish* they were just asking people who know the answers, but instead what they (and you) are doing is spreading falsehoods and misleading information -  not asking but telling.
2. Globalist shill ?  That's another one of those meaningless terms that the meme makers pass around... was Brian Mulroney a Globalist Shill ?  Margaret Thatcher ?
3. Why thank you.
4. Huh ?  What ?  Real conservatives should be, by now, petitioning the moderators to make you change your name here...

Also notable: YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.  Who is making the memes you spread around here ?  Where do they come from ?  Do you post them because you are unable to post your own thoughts ?  They sure don't qualify as 'sources'...

Well hang on. Lol don't call my buddy Rex Murphy an oil shill. You accused him of being a shill based on info like this:

http://www.institutbroadbent.ca/rex_murphy_and_big_oil_friends_with_benefits

I get it. I don't agree with him on many things he says about climate change..I get that....but he is allowed his opinions it doesn't automatically means he is captive to one point of view,, and with that said I get it...because many do not trust big business and especially pharmaceutical companies...if I defend them they could argue I am a big pharma shill. I get it. However I see two sides.

The pharma industry has to spend millions to do research to assure a product is safe and they try because they get sued when their product is not safe. Many people believe they deliberately cover up  negative side effects in fear of losing profit. I get that. What I also get is they created medication I take for chronic conditions and if certain people do not take those medications their quality of life or even continuing to live would be compromised.  Please do not tell me they have not been told of the side effects. They are given warning labels, computer read outs and their doctors and pharmacists explain them.  We all should know that technically any medication is poison and its actually the toxic effect that provides the relief of symptoms its taken for.  We should all know we make choices to either  live with the side effects of the medication or the symptoms and illnesses they manage, treat or prevent.

These are the choices we make and I would hope I make them based on educated informed decisions about the risks because  ourdoctor(s) and pharmacist have and do clearly explain those risks.

The fear of vaccines was spread by people who heard there was aluminum and mercury in vaccines. These people did not go on to find out what amounts of these chemicals we are talking about and why they were or are used and how the body flushes them out.  People do not take the time to educate themselves about medication because we fear. Our fear stops us from critical analysis and we sometimes take it out on pharmaceutical manufacturers turning them into the symbol of our fears. They become our Satan. Well sometimes big pharma has acted unethically or produced medication without being able to properly predict the adverse effects..of course but does that mean all medication or vaccines are bad?

A vaccine wiped out polio, small pox, measles. Are we worse off because of that? Would you want a world with no medications at all?  Look all I know is medicine is a choice people make to get  better quality of life or to survive. That choice comes down to that individual. Hopefully they do it based on informed decisions.

Too many people with zero training in pharmacology are posing as experts on the subject spreading ignorance and needless fear and the spread of diseases that could have been prevented.

 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Rue

[Michael Hardner]

31 minutes ago, Rue said:

1. I get it. I don't agree with him on many things he says about climate change..I get that....but he is allowed his opinions it doesn't automatically means he is captive to one point of view,, and with that said I get it 

2. We all should know that technically any medication is poison and its actually the toxic effect that provides the relief of symptoms its taken for.  We should all know we make choices to either  live with the side effects of the medication or the symptoms and illnesses they manage, treat or prevent.

3. These are the choices we make and I would hope I make them based on educated informed decisions about the risks because  ourdoctor(s) and pharmacist have and do clearly explain those risks.

4. ... but does that mean all medication or vaccines are bad?

5. A vaccine wiped out polio, small pox, measles. Are we worse off because of that?

6. Would you want a world with no medications at all? 

7. Too many people with zero training in pharmacology are posing as experts on the subject spreading ignorance and needless fear and the spread of diseases that could have been prevented.

 

 

 

1. Everyone is allowed to have opinions.  Everyone is permitted to state them, with a few limits ... if I were to think of them.  But also some jobs require you to disclose relationships because of the perception that your objectivity in your job is impacted.  This is where we are with good boy Rex...
2. Ok.
3. Ok.
4. No.
5. No.
6. No.
7. Bingo - and that's why we need to burn the zombies who make these memes WITH FIRE.  Burn them.  With fire.  There are 'content farms' of offshore types who speak English really well producing good-looking graphics such as the one our naive cohort posted without question.  Always ask: Where did the meme come from ?  I have never meet a naif who could answer, but yet still would bleat "Sheeple ! Sheeple !  MSM".   

Here's another analogy: I knew someone who hung out with crack addicts.  One of them told her: "Smoking it off a pop can lid isn't healthy"... This is the meme-sucker talking about mainstream media IMO.