bush_cheney2004 Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 This is what democracy looks like....Israel gets to choose its leadership just like any other western democracy. Israel owes nothing to apologists and supporters of its sworn enemies. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
marcus Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) No Arab or Muslim ever voted for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or before him Osama bin Laden - While millions of Israelis actually go to their polls and vote for their counterpart Bibi Netanyahu - no doubt there are thousands of Israelis who are today deeply troubled by the results of this election - but the fact is that the whole Zionist project - just like the militant Islamist project - is morally corrupt and politically bankrupt - the sooner we all acknowledge this the clearer will be the road ahead: full force support for BDS and the ever more determined march to a solution - for all Palestinians and Israelis with equal and identical rights and full right of return for the dispossessed and exiled Palestinians. Edited March 19, 2015 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Arab and Muslim Canadians have voted for political parties....which vote to bomb other nations and terrorist organizations. Edited March 19, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 No Arab or Muslim ever voted for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or before him Osama bin Laden - While millions of Israelis actually go to their polls and vote for their counterpart Bibi Netanyahu Sure they have. They voted for Hamas, a terrorist organization that in it's charter lists the destruction of Israel as its main priority. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 I completely agree. With Netanyahu's reelection on very clear election promises and a clear track record backing up those promises, nobody can simply blame the government and not Israeli citizens for the government's actions because the gov has now been given an approved mandate by citizens to maintain no state for Palestine, to continue with the illegal/immoral settlements, and to beat war drums with Iran. Any good or bad that comes from this for Israel, Israelis must wear it. Personally I find this unacceptable. Canada should withdraw its unwavering support for Israel and introduce economic sanctions until it agrees again to work towards peace and stop the settlements. The settlements are simply evil, designed to steal land from Palestinians. Israel is a state founded upon a united religious identity, but I doubt Yahweh would approve. The irony is overwhelming. And so far all Harper has done is congratulate Bibi on his win, so we know where thats going I guess. Quote
Rue Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 JBG I as you know am Labour-Kadima centralist on interna economic policies but on Iran and terrorists, believe Netanyahu is 100% correct and you are 100% correct. So I flippity flop but admit to you Levni's policy where she naively bought into Obama as I once did, is wrong and you had it right. I doubt you were surprised Netanyahu won. You know damn well the press was being inundated with b.s. stories. Obama's desperate attempt to send advisors to Kadima and Labour caused Netanyahu to go to Congress for his speech. I believe he would have never done that speech in Congress if it was not in retaliation for Obama meddling in Israeli politics as pay back by Obama for Netanyahu's support of Romney and before him McCain. Its no secret Netantyahu is openly pro Republican and Obama never got over that and a personal animosity between the 2 over that has stewed for 8 years. Netanyahu has the last laugh in the sense of he will be in office longer than Obama and probably long enough to see a Republican come into office and reverse much of the disasterous Obama foreign policy. I believe once a Republican party is in power, if Netanyahu thinks Iran is in check, he's gone. I think he's tired and is in office now because he genuinely believes Iran and Obama are a danger to Israel. His lack of any interest in domestic policy spells that out. How he has stayed in power this long as amazing. I mean talk about lasting in the most impossible place to do politics. The only one close to him in terms of strategy was the Bunga Bunga Berscolin party boy in Italy and it even caught up with him. To try manage volatile coalitions like that is amazing. Its not like he can shoot dead his opposition like Putin. He has to put them in cabinet and sit next to them. This is someone who put Levni in office in charge of the very policies he disagreed with. That is strength. This is someone who met with Palestinian victims of Israeli terrorism and apologized to them. This is a man who told extreme right wingers to kiss his asp. People have no idea just how tough he is but they mistake that toughness. I still believe from what I have now analyzed he is probably more pragmatic and sensitive to Palestinians then most professed doves. He can not say that though for it would be construed incorrectly by Hamas and the PA as weakness. I think the best bet in the long run is to have him look at Hamas, Iran, the whole bloodly lot of them eye to eye. Sometimes you need a pit bull who holds his ground. In time there will be time for moderates. Its not our time right now. It won't be our time until terrorists disarm. I haven't given up on peace and never will. I just don't think we can talk peace at the moment the same reason they could not talk peace until the IRA was disarmed first. I think as Shady said the poker game over Palestine has not even started. We just have a whole bunch of short angry men compensating for small pee pees sitting around a table posturing for now. Nothing will happen until its time, and that time is not yeat here given Obama and Iran. In hindsight I really do believe had Romney been in power there would have been no ISIL, no Crimea, but yes civil wars in Syria, Yemen, Libya, but not as they are now. Romney would have never supported any terrorist of any kind like Obama has done. Romnet never would have sold the US out to Muslim Brotherhood terrorists and now Hezbollah and Iran. I believe he would have handled Putin far differently, Quote
Big Guy Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Posted March 19, 2015 Looks like Netanyahu has had an overnight epiphany! He now says that he is for a 2 state solution. A day after the election he has changed his mind? This is the guy we trust and support. Time to look to Iran as an ally in the Middle East. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Moonlight Graham Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 Looks like Netanyahu has had an overnight epiphany! He now says that he is for a 2 state solution. A day after the election he has changed his mind? You've got to wonder sometimes how politicians look themselves in the mirror every day. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
eyeball Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 The same way voters do, with a nod and a wink. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
BC_chick Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Rue, so how do you explain Bibi's past, present and future policy of settlement expansion if you really believe deep down he supports a 2 state solution? If you were anyone else I'd think you're just trying to spin the situation but I think you're actually in denial. You agree with him on Iran yet you admit to finding his recent turnabout reprehensible so this is your way to make yourself feel better. Sorry to break it to you but the man's actions and now his words speak louder than what you 'think'. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 ....Sorry to break it to you but the man's actions and now his words speak louder than what you 'think'. Yep...I don't care what he says...what matters is what he does. Israel's leaders are not unique in this regard. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Yep...I don't care what he says...what matters is what he does. Israel's leaders are not unique in this regard. Interesting how he changed what he said about Palestine the day after he gets elected. He knows he went out on a limb because he was desperate. What a sleazebag. Quote
eyeball Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 You're saying.his voters didn't realize they were buying a bill of goods? I don't buy it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Neither do I....same as the fools who were buying what candidate Obama was selling....especially in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 JBG I as you know am Labour-Kadima centralist on internal economic policies but on Iran and terrorists, believe Netanyahu is 100% correct and you are 100% correct. So I flippity flop but admit to you Levni's policy where she naively bought into Obama as I once did, is wrong and you had it right. I doubt you were surprised Netanyahu won. You know damn well the press was being inundated with b.s. stories. Thank you for the kind words. How he has stayed in power this long as amazing. I mean talk about lasting in the most impossible place to do politics. The only one close to him in terms of strategy was the Bunga Bunga Berscolin party boy in Italy and it even caught up with him. To try manage volatile coalitions like that is amazing.Stupid people don't get two degrees from MIT magna c*m (non-curse words often filtered for context) laude. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 You're saying.his voters didn't realize they were buying a bill of goods? I don't buy it. Amazing what voters will buy. They elected Bush didnt they... Quote
marcus Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Looks like Netanyahu has had an overnight epiphany! He now says that he is for a 2 state solution. A day after the election he has changed his mind? This is the guy we trust and support. Time to look to Iran as an ally in the Middle East. Netanyahu is a liar. Anyone who tries to justify his actions and what he says, supports a liar. The man cannot be trusted. Just like a slimy car salesman, he will say and do what he can to sell his crappy car. After announcing that there will be no two state solution and that he will continue to increase the settlements in order to get more extreme rightwing votes, he has now gone on NBC to backpedal and lie to say, he does support it. Here is Netanyahu, not realizing that he is being taped, gloating about how he purposefully deceived President Clinton into believing he was helping implement the Oslo Accords during his first term as prime minister, by making minor withdrawals from the occupied territories, all the while actually entrenching the occupation. Here is a chance to watch a rare moment - Netanyahu speaking the truth in front of the camera (because he didn't know it was taping) Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Rue Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Lol bring on the trolling about Netanyahu. Netanyahu is a liar liar pants on fire. As many have stated including moi, you want to pull Netanyahu comments out of their context, assign them literal inflexible meanings, and then woopity doo dah go ahead Marcus et al. His position is the same for anyone who actually listens. He will not agree to any Palestinian state as long as terrorists remain armed, maintain constitutions that call for the genocide of Jews worldwide, refuse to acknowledge the right of Jews to a state in Israel. As he said not in his lifetime -doesn't men he is against a two state solution, it just means as long as Hamas refuses to disarm, as long as the PA refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, as long as that continues and he is alive, he will never agree to any treaty that has the PA and Hamas refusing to recognize Israel as a Jewish state but demanding the very thing from Israel they will not give Israel. Obama, Marcus, all of those of you who think Israel should pull back to 1967 borders while Hamas and Fatah terror cells of the PA remain in a declared state of war against Jews world wide not just Israelis, think again.Never in his lifetime will he sell Israel out to you in some half assed deal that couches your continued war against Israel. If anyone thinks in his life time Hamas will suddenly disarm and disown its terrorism or Abbas will stop calling for the taking back of Israel and turning it into a Muslim state you are mistaken. This sheer bull crap of trying to ignore the actual positions of Hamas and the PA and try twist it that Netanyahu is the one who does not want peace is fun fun and more fun. As I said and he said and any Israeli will tell you, disarm terrorists, recognize the Jewish state of Israel, then peace is possible including leaving the West Bank. There's been no flip flop. Go on try spin away. He said no peace in his day as long as Hamas and the PA refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish state and disarm. It won't happen. No Israeli would agree to such stupidity. You wan to talk about flippity flop? So talk. It was Obama who said he would never ask Israel to sign a peace treaty that did not explicity recognize Israel as a Jewish state before he got elected. After he was elected a second time he told Israel they are being unreasonable expecting Hamas or any other Palestinian or Arab state to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Before he was elected Obama claimed Hamas was a terrorist organization, so was Hezbollah and Iran and he would never expect Israel to do anything to compromise their safety in regards to these groups. After he was elected, Hamas is suddenly cheered on by John Kerry no longer as terrorists but a reasonable partner in peace talks. Their constitution calling for the genocide of Jews and Israelis worldwide-suddenly no discussion from Obama who now says, its not helpful discussing their constitution or calling them terrorists as these are just words and don't necessarily mean what they say. But ooops if Netanyahu says something, then that of course is disturbing. This is after all the same Obama who called out Netanyahu for stating there was a high Arab turn out for the election-the same Obama who openly applauded the high Latino and Black turnouts for being instrumental in his victories and calling out both people to vote for him as well as telling Jewish audiences to stop expecting the Democratic party to cater to them. Oh but wait. This is the same Obama who openly attacked Iran and Hezbollah for their interference in Iraq, now suddenly welcoming them on the ground in Iraq. But wait, this is the same Obama who called the Muslim Brotherhood his ally and non terrorist but is at loss to explain why Muslim Brotherhood allies in ISIL and Al Qaeda who he thought were fighting with him in Libya and Syria, now have turned on them, This is the same Obama who said Assad must go and the US would not communicate with him now stating they should and wait for it Hezbollah and Iran are no longer terrorists. Flippity Flop? Yes then there is Abbas of the PA in one breath saying he would recognize Israel and then in the very next breath state, only if it took back in any Muslim claiming to be Palestinian and have them land and stopped referring to itself as a Jewish state. This is the same Abbas who said its not reasonable to call a state Jewish but has in his own constitution, a state defined as Muslim and to follow Sharia law and that this state will incorproate Israel, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza once Palestinians are repatriated to Israel and become the majority. You see how it works. Abbas can speak out of both sides of his mouth, so can Obama. but if Netanyahu does it, well its unique. I mean he's the only politician who farts and sings at the same time. Got it. Hope you do. Toot. Toot. Lol. Damn that Netanyahu does not know his place. Uppity sob. I mean how dare he tell some terrorist, no peace in his life time if they continue to try kill him. Imagine him saying something like that. 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GostHacked Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 So is Netenyahu for a Palestinian state or is he not for a Palestinian state? Quote
Big Guy Posted March 20, 2015 Author Report Posted March 20, 2015 The USA has come out stating that it will "re assess" its relationship with Israel in light of the what Netanyahu has said. I think we can expect some sparks in the UN with Israel no longer getting automatic support from the USA. I also would not be surprised to see the USA supporting a UN recognition of Palestine as a state. Keep tuned, lies have consequences. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Queenmandy85 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Why is it so important that Isreal be a 'Jewish' state and not just a secular democratic state? Why was it so important that Isreal be in that particular location. Why not relocate Isreal to Oregon. Similar climate, less hostile neighbours. I can see the point of the Palistinians. If a group of, say, Belgians moved into the west Kootenays and I had to leave my family home at gunpoint, after generations of living there, I would be angry too. I just do not understand why they wanted to put Isreal into the middle east on land owned by someone else. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Bonam Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Netanyahu is a liar. Anyone who tries to justify his actions and what he says, supports a liar. The man cannot be trusted. Just like a slimy car salesman, he will say and do what he can to sell his crappy car. One could almost believe you've never encountered a politician before. Quote
marcus Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Why is it so important that Isreal be a 'Jewish' state and not just a secular democratic state? Because there is ALWAYS an excuse. This whole "OMG accept Israel as a Jewish State! OMG" is a fairly recent demand. They're always moving the line in the sand because they always want to stall one way or another. Stalling is a tactic they've been using in order not to deal with their obligation to international law. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Bonam Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Why is it so important that Isreal be a 'Jewish' state and not just a secular democratic state? Why was it so important that Isreal be in that particular location. Why not relocate Isreal to Oregon. Similar climate, less hostile neighbours. I can see the point of the Palistinians. If a group of, say, Belgians moved into the west Kootenays and I had to leave my family home at gunpoint, after generations of living there, I would be angry too. I just do not understand why they wanted to put Isreal into the middle east on land owned by someone else. The point of Israel, the whole reason it was created, is to be a home for the Jewish people. Oregon was never on the table as a possible location. The only other alternatives mentioned at the time were in other pretty terrible locations, as well. Furthermore, there were religious and cultural motivations for being in that particular location. Yes, anyone would be angry if forced out of their home at gunpoint. Of course, that didn't actually happen until Israel was invaded by multiple Arab countries in 1948, who did their best to drive the Jews into the sea. Fortunately, they failed. Unfortunately for the invaders, they lost a bit of territory. You know, same kind of thing that's happened in like every war ever. Edited March 20, 2015 by Bonam Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 But why not move Isreal to Oregon now. The Americans are all for peace and the Isrealis are wanting security and the Saudis and Iranians might be persuaded to pay for the move. Win- win- win. The religious and cultural motivations are based on a dubious mythical hero whose existance is not based on any historial evidence. Moses probably never existed. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
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