Derek 2.0 Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) According to the poles, right now it seems to be between the Runaway Mouth and Creepy Cruz. Far be it for me to defend Cruz, but his counter to Trump's "Muslim ban" seemed far more "nuanced" Edited December 16, 2015 by Derek 2.0 Quote
Topaz Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 It will come down to Bush and Clinton , who are one as the same, the 1%, the elite, the new world order members, whatever u want to call them. The point is with one of these two in the WH, there won't be peace in world and they are not trustworthy for the WH. Quote
Smeelious Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 It will come down to Bush and Clinton , who are one as the same, the 1%, the elite, the new world order members, whatever u want to call them. The point is with one of these two in the WH, there won't be peace in world and they are not trustworthy for the WH. In that case, would you be hoping for Sanders v. Trump? Quote
kimmy Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 Jeb Bush is clearly going nowhere, and Marco Rubio looks like the last hope for "mainstream" Republicans. Ted Cruz has put himself in position to inherit the Trump "insurgent" votes in the event that Trump implodes, explodes, or leaves. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
Argus Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 Jeb Bush is clearly going nowhere, and Marco Rubio looks like the last hope for "mainstream" Republicans. Ted Cruz has put himself in position to inherit the Trump "insurgent" votes in the event that Trump implodes, explodes, or leaves. -k Ted Cruz has always struck me as a self-promoting little weasel. Chris Christie looked idiotic, demanding a no fly zone for Syria when its a Russian client state and Putin would simply ignore him, and talking about what he'd say to Jordan's King Hussein, who's been dead for fifteen years. The only one there who seems like an adult is Bush. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ironstone Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 None of the Republican candidates are perfect of course,but personally I would rather see any one of them as President rather than Clinton.I thought Trump's numbers wouldn't be this high for so long.I don't agree with everything Trump says but on the other hand,it's kind of refreshing that he's in no way politically correct.I think it may be Cruz that gets the nomination in the end. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Big Guy Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 Watched the rest of the debate. This has to be the worst possible kind of public relations for America. These are supposed to be the cream of the Republican crop and one of them will end up as the Repuiblican nominee. No one appeared "presidential" and most held embarrasing positions on foreign policy. I can see people in Europe and the Middle East watching this "debate" and shaking their heads in disbelief. God Bless America! She certaily will need it. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Derek 2.0 Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 Jeb Bush is clearly going nowhere, and Marco Rubio looks like the last hope for "mainstream" Republicans. I tend to agree, but his performance (like Christie) could have bought him a little bit of traction...........it will all come down (for the establishment Republicans) to the New Hampshire primary, where I'd expect the field to be narrowed after........ Ted Cruz has put himself in position to inherit the Trump "insurgent" votes in the event that Trump implodes, explodes, or leaves. -k Cruz could/will be hurt by the others bringing up his past voting records, which will clearly show he is all over the map. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 Watched the rest of the debate. This has to be the worst possible kind of public relations for America. The Republican debate worked just as designed...even got Canadians to watch. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 Ted Cruz has always struck me as a self-promoting little weasel. I agree, but I was surprised with his approach to Islam/Trump. Chris Christie looked idiotic, demanding a no fly zone for Syria when its a Russian client state and Putin would simply ignore him, and talking about what he'd say to Jordan's King Hussein, who's been dead for fifteen years. The proverbial line in the sand has been drawn by most past Presidents, what is idiotic is drawing said line and not following through like Obama.......Hussein is the surname of the Jordanian royal family, the current King is a "Hussein" and his son is a "Hussein"........ The only one there who seems like an adult is Bush. And Rubio, Kasich, Fiorina, Christie, Pataki and Graham (in the prior debate with the later two) Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) The debate was nothing more than numerous candidates jumping on the hate speech band wagon. It was pathetic. Edited December 16, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Derek 2.0 Posted December 16, 2015 Report Posted December 16, 2015 The debate was nothing more than numerous candidates jumping on the hate speech band wagon. It was pathetic. Trump aside, who was "jumping on the hate speech bandwagon"? Jeb Bush clearly stated Trump's proposal was "unhinged" and "unrealistic", and that he won't get into the White House by insulting people, further more, that the United States needs to engage the Muslim World (like his brother did after 9/11) to counter radial Islam. Marco Rubio has clearly stated, numerous times, that Trump's plan is clearly unconstitutional. Most of the candidates agreed that the settlement of Syrian refugees shouldn't be rushed, as the head of the FBI admitted they couldn't screen the proposed 10000 refugees in the time line outlined by the Obama administration......but that's hardly "hate speech" though. Rand Paul stated "banning Islam" will result in a win for the terrorists......Cruz offered a clear distinction between radical Islamic terrorists and the vast majority of Muslims (which surprised me).........I can't think of anything offensive said by the others.... Where was the "hate speech".......aside from Trump? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 Rubio is clearly wrong with respect to banning entry into the United States, as the president has wide latitude to do such things. Trump can ride this populist sentiment to advantage (and disadvantage) depending on the audience. The centrists have to be careful not to lean too far from the right before securing the nomination and, more importantly, big campaign donors sitting on the sidelines. Trump can self finance if need be, but instead he gets plenty of free publicity. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
capricorn Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 I voted for Jeb to win the nomination. I watched some of the debate last night. About Trump, that thing he does with his mouth when someone said something he didn't agree with, he looked like he bit into a lemon. It was ugly and distracting. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
WestCoastRunner Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 Trump aside, who was "jumping on the hate speech bandwagon"? Jeb Bush clearly stated Trump's proposal was "unhinged" and "unrealistic", and that he won't get into the White House by insulting people, further more, that the United States needs to engage the Muslim World (like his brother did after 9/11) to counter radial Islam. Marco Rubio has clearly stated, numerous times, that Trump's plan is clearly unconstitutional. Most of the candidates agreed that the settlement of Syrian refugees shouldn't be rushed, as the head of the FBI admitted they couldn't screen the proposed 10000 refugees in the time line outlined by the Obama administration......but that's hardly "hate speech" though. Rand Paul stated "banning Islam" will result in a win for the terrorists......Cruz offered a clear distinction between radical Islamic terrorists and the vast majority of Muslims (which surprised me).........I can't think of anything offensive said by the others.... Where was the "hate speech".......aside from Trump? I guess it was more of what they didn't say. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 The centrists have to be careful not to lean too far from the right before securing the nomination and, more importantly, big campaign donors sitting on the sidelines. . Exactly. Let's not outright call trump a racist. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 Dr. Ben Carson called for military assets to be deployed along the southern and northern border. This is a problem for constitutional reasons, but the national guard would work. Jeb Bush is toast....he really does lack energy, just like Trump says ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 Dr. Ben Carson called for military assets to be deployed along the southern and northern border. This is a problem for constitutional reasons, but the national guard would work. Jeb Bush is toast....he really does lack energy, just like Trump says ! Rand or Rubio impressed me. Fiorina disappointed me big time with her 'I am woman' spiel. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
TimG Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Exactly. Let's not outright call trump a racist.I realize that the "racist" label is a goto smear for any card carrying leftest that is used whenever they hear opinions they don't like but words do have meanings and in this case calling for a ban on Muslims is not racist because Muslims can be of any race. Edited December 17, 2015 by TimG Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 Calling for a ban on Muslims is not racist because Muslims can be of any race. Oh excuse me. A bigot perhaps? Give me a label. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
TimG Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 Oh excuse me. A bigot perhaps? Give me a label.That would be correct. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Rubio or Cruz would be safe bets, but the Republicans need more than just safe to win a general election. Trump says he will support the party process, so they need to figure out how to use his popularity and media power no matter who is on the ticket. That translates as Trump on the bottom of the ticket after the convention. Edited December 17, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 Rubio or Cruz would be safe bets, but the Republicans need more than just safe to win a general election. Trump says he will support the party process, so they need to figure out how to use his popularity and media power no matter who is on the ticket. That translates as Trump on the bottom of the ticket after the convention. Interesting! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
TimG Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 That translates as Trump on the bottom of the ticket after the convention.I don't think any President could function with a VP like Trump since being a VP requires someone who will always support the boss in public. I don't think such deference is in his DNA. Also Trump would drive away as many votes as he brings so it is not clear he would be an asset on the ticket. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Posted December 17, 2015 I see Trump falling into the same slot as VP Nelson Rockefeller ('74 - '77) when President Ford needed a VP. Might be enough to satisfy his big "Donald" ego. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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