Who will get 2016 Republican Presidential Nomination?

[WestCoastRunner]

So? Just because she has decided to run doesn't translate into her being a viable choice.........Palin ran for Vice President, do you feel she was then a viable choice? If not, why do you feel Fiorina is qualified now?

And where have I back peddled? Your posts are barely worth a response, let alone recanting of ones own views.

So, why are you responding?

[Derek 2.0]

If support for gun rights, opposition to abortion, and opposition to same sex marriage make you like Sarah Palin, then every Republican candidate in recent history is like Sarah Palin. Those positions are essentially mandatory for any Republican candidate. If you don't share those positions (plus a robust faith in Jeeeezusss) then you can't be the Republican nominee.

Right, but then nobody has yet to distinguish the two........Palin was made a joke, but Fiorina is a creditable choice because?

Can you refresh our memory? I've forgotten who they were.

-k

Sure:

Gov. Nikki Haley

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Gov. Susana Martinez

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Former Secretary* of State Condoleezza Rice

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*WCR, Secretary of State is an actual important position within the US Government, I don't want you to mistake Dr. Rice as the former colored girl that made coffee and photo copies for President Bush.

Edited August 10, 2015 by Michael Hardner
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[Derek 2.0]

So, why are you responding?

In hope of an adult conversation, likewise to address your nonsensical suggestion that my aversion towards Fiorina was caused by her gender.

[WestCoastRunner]

Right, but then nobody has yet to distinguish the two........Palin was made a joke, but Fiorina is a creditable choice because?

Sure:

Gov. Nikki Haley

Gov. Susana Martinez

Former Secretary* of State Condoleezza Rice

*WCR, Secretary of State is an actual important position within the US Government, I don't want you to mistake Dr. Rice as the former colored girl that made coffee and photo copies for President Bush.

These women are not running for the nomination of the Republican Party. Why are you not comparing Fiorina's accomplishments to the men running for the Republican party. Why do you insist on bringing up other women in the Republican Party? These women have absolutely nothing to do with Fiorina's running for the nomination.

[WestCoastRunner]

In hope of an adult conversation, likewise to address your nonsensical suggestion that my aversion towards Fiorina was caused by her gender.

You are the one that brought up these female republicans. It wasn't me.

[eyeball]

Considering we have an entirely different political system, yeah....you're kinda stating the mind-numbingly obvious here, Captain.

So Trump could take even 5% of America's right-wing voters with him when he quits or is turfed by the Republicans and the result wouldn't look anything at all like it does when people split the left wing vote in Canada? There'd be a Republican/Trump coalition to ensure the filthy rotten socialists don't win another term in the White House or something? How would that work?

[Derek 2.0]

These women are not running for the nomination of the Republican Party. Why are you not comparing Fiorina's accomplishments to the men running for the Republican party.

What accomplishments? That side-by-side, she's not a clown like the majority of the 17? That is something I suppose.

Why do you insist on bringing up other women in the Republican Party?

To be inclusive of the GOP field as a whole, likewise to field the best contenders for 2016........John McCain didn't select Sarah Palin to run on his ticket until after he won the nomination, several months prior to the election.

These women have absolutely nothing to do with Fiorina's running for the nomination.

Yet have more executive experience, a measure of intelligence (in my opinion) far greater, likewise are more socially moderate, than the majority of the current 17 candidates, including Fiorina.

[WestCoastRunner]

What accomplishments? That side-by-side, she's not a clown like the majority of the 17? That is something I suppose.

To be inclusive of the GOP field as a whole, likewise to field the best contenders for 2016........John McCain didn't select Sarah Palin to run on his ticket until after he won the nomination, several months prior to the election.

Yet have more executive experience, a measure of intelligence (in my opinion) far greater, likewise are more socially moderate, than the majority of the current 17 candidates, including Fiorina.

Why don't you compare her to the other male candidates. You diminish her by not doing so.

[Derek 2.0]

Why don't you compare her to the other male candidates. You diminish her by not doing so.

I have

I don't deny that her time spent at HP was during the tech bubble burst, but the reality is, she doesn't have any real experience or accomplishments to run on, other than being a women in a male dominated race.......she is like Hillary, but sans a record.

She might very well be capable, and in my mind, both her and Perry could replace Carson/Paul/Huckabee/Cruz/Christie at the next grown-up debate, and she might do well........but her sole attention to date has been from going after Trump, but so has Megan Kelly, yet nobody has suggested she would make a capable President.

[WestCoastRunner]

I have

Seriously, no real experience other than being a woman in a male dominated race????? Surely, she has more accomplishments then that!

[Derek 2.0]

Seriously, no real experience other than being a woman in a male dominated race????? Surely, she has more accomplishments then that!

Such as? I've asked the same question of Kimmy and Cybercoma, and would put it to anyone suggesting that she should be the face of the GOP in 2016.

She oversaw a large corporation go into the ground and has trashed Trump.......how does that equate to making a good GOP nominee for President?

[kimmy]

Right, but then nobody has yet to distinguish the two........Palin was made a joke, but Fiorina is a creditable choice because?

Actually I kind of think Palin made herself a joke.

Gov. Nikki Haley

Gov. Susana Martinez

Former Secretary* of State Condoleezza Rice

So aside from supporting the removal of the Confederate Battle Flag from the state house, what "socially moderate" credentials has Haley got?

As for Rice, I think she's an interesting person. I would be interested to see what would happen if she did decide to take a run at high political office, but it doesn't seem like she's very interested. And I don't think the party in its current state would have her anyway. She is to some degree pro-choice. And she's a never-married woman who shares a home with a long-time female friend... questions about her personal life will never go away. She may be too private of a person to subject herself to the scrutiny that a run for office would bring to her private life.

-k

[WestCoastRunner]

I am no republican fan, but I do like to see unbiased comments on the candidates regardless of the gender.

[Derek 2.0]

Actually I kind of think Palin made herself a joke.

Why/how?

So aside from supporting the removal of the Confederate Battle Flag from the state house, what "socially moderate" credentials has Haley got?

Reform of the State's delivery of social services, namely restructuring since in office both public education and child-welfare.

As for Rice, I think she's an interesting person. I would be interested to see what would happen if she did decide to take a run at high political office, but it doesn't seem like she's very interested. And I don't think the party in its current state would have her anyway. She is to some degree pro-choice. And she's a never-married woman who shares a home with a long-time female friend... questions about her personal life will never go away. She may be too private of a person to subject herself to the scrutiny that a run for office would bring to her private life.

-k

I don't think, on her own, that she would seek (any) public office, that would be predicated on Jeb Bush winning the nomination. Assuming he does, I would expect a greater than 50/50 chance that she would be asked (once again) by the Bush family to serve her country, in a complementary role to Jeb Bush, shoring up his perceived short comings: National security and International relations.........As to the GOP not being ready for Rice, quite simply, if/when he wins the nomination, her personal life would be of little consequence (see Mary Cheney), and the Democrat/Media to bring it up, would bring forth their own demise......

If Bush the elder asked Dr Rice to aide another one of his sons, I frankly can't see her refusing the request, unless on personal health grounds.....

[WestCoastRunner]

This thread is about who would get the 2016 nomination. Let's focus on that and compare the lone female candidate to the male candidates instead of Derek casting out these wild ass comparisons.

Edited August 9, 2015 by WestCoastRunner

[kimmy]

I don't think, on her own, that she would seek (any) public office, that would be predicated on Jeb Bush winning the nomination. Assuming he does, I would expect a greater than 50/50 chance that she would be asked (once again) by the Bush family to serve her country, in a complementary role to Jeb Bush, shoring up his perceived short comings: National security and International relations.........As to the GOP not being ready for Rice, quite simply, if/when he wins the nomination, her personal life would be of little consequence (see Mary Cheney), and the Democrat/Media to bring it up, would bring forth their own demise......

If Bush the elder asked Dr Rice to aide another one of his sons, I frankly can't see her refusing the request, unless on personal health grounds.....

Mary Cheney has never held public office or been part of the US government.

Perhaps once elected the Bush family could prevail upon her to reprise her role as Secretary of State, or perhaps some other role in the cabinet, but I can't picture her being on the card as a VP nominee during the election. It would be unacceptable to some of the core constituencies the Republicans are beholden to for electoral success.

-k

[kimmy]

The real winner of the first debate? According to some, it was Megyn Kelly.

-k

[WestCoastRunner]

The real winner of the first debate? According to some, it was Megyn Kelly.

-k

Of course it was. Hands down!

[kimmy]

Why/how?

By demonstrating herself to be a poorly-informed candidate and lightweight thinker during the 2008 campaign... and a sloganeering opportunistic huckster in the time since.

-k

[WestCoastRunner]

By demonstrating herself to be a poorly-informed candidate and lightweight thinker during the 2008 campaign... and a sloganeering opportunistic huckster in the time since.

-k

And she could see Russia from the Alaskan coastline.

[Derek 2.0]

Mary Cheney has never held public office or been part of the US government.

Perhaps once elected the Bush family could prevail upon her to reprise her role as Secretary of State, or perhaps some other role in the cabinet, but I can't picture her being on the card as a VP nominee during the election. It would be unacceptable to some of the core constituencies the Republicans are beholden to for electoral success.

-k

Right, but her sexual orientation has been public knowledge since the 90s........it didn't hurt her father among social conservatives in 2000 or 2004, I don't see it as an issue anymore among those that mater in the GOP.

[bush_cheney2004]

This thread is about who would get the 2016 nomination. Let's focus on that and compare the lone female candidate to the male candidates....

OK...OK...me first. Which other 2016 Republican presidential candidates have had breast cancer ?

[Derek 2.0]

By demonstrating herself to be a poorly-informed candidate and lightweight thinker during the 2008 campaign... and a sloganeering opportunistic huckster in the time since.

-k

And how does that differ from Fiorina? Fiorina doesn't sound like a hillbilly, lost a Senate race and called Trump a clown........she belongs in 1600 why?

[Derek 2.0]

OK...OK...me first. Which other 2016 Republican presidential candidates have had breast cancer ?

That is a good point.......a 60 year old cancer survivor. McCain's health/age was an issue in '08 for some.

[kimmy]

Ok: so personally I think Derek is on point in comparing Fiorina to Palin. Not in terms of their qualifications or intellectual capacity or that sort of thing, but rather in terms of how they might become politically relevant.

In Palin's case, the only reason she appeared on the national stage is that the Republicans wanted to play demographic politics. They had their candidate, who happened to be an elderly white man... and they were going into an election against a young mixed race man. And they hoped that maybe if they brought in a VP nominee who was young and fresh and female, they could maybe tap into some of the female voters who were embittered that their best chance at a female president, ever, had been snuffed out.

In Fiorina's case, that's probably how she gets her big chance as well. The Republican nominee will not be as elderly as John McCain, but he will be male. There is not a hope in hell that Fiorina could win this, and she's the only female candidate who even entered. So... will the Republicans once again be tempted to play demographic politics? Pre-emptively take action against the inevitable "war on women" rhetoric and attempt to counter Hillary Clinton's appeal with female voters by offering a female VP nominee?

They tried that before and it was a bitter failure, but suppose they learned their lesson and say "this time, let's pick a female nominee who isn't a mental cripple!" And if they did go that route, then maybe Fiorina is one of the names they would consider. As Derek points out, governors Sue Martinez and Nikki Haley would be potential picks as well.

-k