Big Guy Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Posted March 3, 2015 Well Bibi made his speech and started with "I am not here for political reasons." An election coming up in about two weeks with his job at stake a Bibi is not here for political reasons. This statement can be trusted about as much as most of his statements about Iran. I listened to his speech this morning and found it interesting. The Netanyahu Israeli tail is trying to wag the American dog. He keeps telling people that what is good for Israel is also good for the USA. I guess you tell enough people then eventually some will start to believe it. Israel is one of the reasons that North America is having problems with middle east terrorists. I suggest that America and Canada start to do what is good for America and Canada and not what is good for Israel. They, and only they, decide on their particular way to deal with Palestinians and other Arab states. Let the Israelis suffer the consequences for their controversial domestic and foreign policies. They created the problem and let them solve it. It is not our fight. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Canada can do whatever it wishes with regards to Israel.....America made its choice long ago...to stand with Israel. Let the Canadians realize the consequences of their choices. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Well Bibi made his speech and started with "I am not here for political reasons." Truth is always the first casualty. Quote
sharkman Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Israel is not the reason NA is having trouble with terrorists, and either way whatever it is that they want should not be considered. Fanatics tend to be fanatical. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Israel is not the reason NA is having trouble with terrorists, and either way whatever it is that they want should not be considered. Fanatics tend to be fanatical. I would say that Israel's actions in attacking Syria, Iraq and Iran'c nuclear program has assisted in brining terrorism to North America. The attack on Iran for example was a joing effort via Israel and the US (aka Stuxnet). Bibi must be worried about something to make an appearance in the USA. Quote
Big Guy Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) If there is no deal with Iran then Iran will continue with its nuclear program. Then there would be only one way to stop them - force. Netanyahu presents no alternative so I have to assume that he wants America to go to war with Iran and Israel will be there to pick up the pieces and get more land. Why going to war with Iran is a good thing for America or Canada makes no sense. The Israelis created this situation in the Middle East. Let then deal with it and let America and Canada make a deal with Iran that is good for us. Why do we care what happens to Israel? They keep pounding the heck out of their neighbors then what do they expect? Time to allow Iran to officially join the fight against ISIS, accept Iran as an ally to North America in this and future causes and let Israel negotiate themselves out of their problems. If you assume that Israel is a "Jewish State" and every Jew in Canada supports Israel, Muslims still outnumber Jews by 3 to 1 in Canada. It is the Muslim states towards which we should be looking for as allies. Edited March 3, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Canada made a bundle when the U.S. "went to war" in Vietnam....and Iraq...twice. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
sharkman Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 If there is no deal with Iran then Iran will continue with its nuclear program. Then there would be only one way to stop them - force. Netanyahu presents no alternative so I have to assume that he wants America to go to war with Iran and Israel will be there to pick up the pieces and get more land. Why going to war with Iran is a good thing for America or Canada makes no sense. The Israelis created this situation in the Middle East. Let then deal with it and let America and Canada make a deal with Iran that is good for us. Why do we care what happens to Israel? They keep pounding the heck out of their neighbors then what do they expect? Time to allow Iran to officially join the fight against ISIS, accept Iran as an ally to North America in this and future causes and let Israel negotiate themselves out of their problems. If you assume that Israel is a "Jewish State" and every Jew in Canada supports Israel, Muslims still outnumber Jews by 3 to 1 in Canada. It is the Muslim states towards which we should be looking for as allies. There is only one way to stop them at all. A deal that they will sign will not stop them either, think this through Big Guy. The Israelis did not create this in the middle east, are you kidding me? They were repeatedly attacked throughout their short history, and finally their neighbours realized that they could not beat them, so they resorted to terrorism. You don't seem familiar with history at all. Look, obviously YOU don't care what happens to Israel, and at the end of the day, that's what is driving your slanted posts. I'd say you are either a muslim, or have that background, and that is fine. But you can't expect people to take you seriously if you want the world to stand back and let Israel get hammered. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 I'd say you are either a muslim, or have that background, and that is fine. Sharkman - no need to make it personal. If you can't address the arguments without imagining a beard on the poster you may have lost already... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Rue Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 quote name="Michael Hardner" post="1036080" timestamp="1425415389"] Sharkman - no need to make it personal. If you can't address the arguments without imagining a beard on the poster you may have lost already... WHat is with your need to lecture others on this forum like you are more righteous than they? Where do you come off doing this? Are you a moderator or a participant on this thread. If you are not the moderator don't play the role of one. As for what Sharkman said read what he responded to....these words... "If you assume that Israel is a "Jewish State" and every Jew in Canada supports Israel, Muslims still outnumber Jews by 3 to 1 in Canada. It is the Muslim states towards which we should be looking for as allies." Where do you get off singling him out for being "personal"? Read the above comment. That is what he was addressing. Tell me just who is getting personal? Who came on this forum pitting Jews against Muslims in Canada like we are in some competition? Who does that? Who writes like that? Go on then. Explain, how is what Big Guy stated not personal to both Jews and Muslims? How is it even relevant how many Jews or Muslims there are in Canada and why is he pitting us against each other? It is Big Guy making it personal against all Jews in Canada trying to use the population numbers of Muslims to do it. It was a repulsive reference. Neither Muslims or Jews in Canada are pitted against one another thank you. We are not in a pissing match. We both are peace loving, support Canada, and want peace for both peoples. Big Guy can take his cheap exploitation of Muslism and Jews and go back to the bigoted ghetto he lives in. He speaks for neither. As for you-get back to me when you have the decency to call out Big Guy for what he said. One last thing, do not tell me what to take personally. I know a slur against Canadian Jews using Canadian Muslims as the pretext when I see one. I do take it personally. It was intended to slur Jewish Canadians. How else should I take it. Don't patronize me or Sharkman on how to interperate such comments. Thank you. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 WHat is with your need to lecture others on this forum like you are more righteous than they? Where do you come off doing this? Are you a moderator or a participant on this thread. If you are not the moderator don't play the role of one. I'm a moderator on this thread. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Rue Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 I'm a moderator on this thread. Then stop participating in it thank you. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Then stop participating in it thank you. I'm not participating on this thread - just pointing out rule infringements. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Rue Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 (edited) Changing the subject, I am glad Netanyahu was careful in his speech today to make it clear he was not insulting Obama. He deliberately thanked him and complemented him for his support of Israel. He has a clear disagreement as to Iran which he did not get personal with Obama over. None the less in my personal opinion he should not have addressed Congress and kept his statements for AIPAC and outside Congress. I am from the school of thought that politicians as head of state should not when overseas, lend to the appearance they are using their head of state powers for partisan reasons. Netanyahu did. He is in the middle of an election. He used his state office to get an opportunity to look like a tough guy in Congress which gives him an advantage back home during an election. That's partisanship using his office. He's not supposed to. He could have said the same things outside Congress. The thing about Obama is he is not innocent. He has shown himself to be a thin skinned and nasty man with his allies. He spied on Merkel and embarassed and undermined her with Russia. He embarassed Cameron over British military decisions in Afghanistan and Iran. He insulted the French President by refusing to attend the march against terrorism and refusing to assist the French, British and Canadians in the NATO war exercise in Libya, instead ignoring them all and Italian intelligence, and against all their wishes funding terrorists who would go on to become ISIS. For Netanyahu to be this public in slapping Obama's face is probably pay back for the many slights Obama has allowed leak to the press including calling Netanyahu a chicken sh...t. What goes around comes around. Obama has alienated NATO over Libya, Ukraine, Syria. He has insulted Harper vetoing the pipeline. He has offended Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan (whose major opposition is the Muslim Brotherhood)Kuwait, the UAE as well as Israel over his Muslim Brotherhood alliance and now attempts to ally with Iran. He is a walking foreign policy disaster. Still Netanyahu should have avoided Congress. Two wrongs don't make a right. Then again Netanyahu has always been an abrasive, in your face leader. He's no diplomat that is for sure. He embarassed Jews in France, Denmark and now some Jews and Democrats in Congress. He shoots from the hip. He's a bull dog. I can't say I like what he did but I agree with what he said. I just think it was the wrong forum. Edited March 3, 2015 by Rue Quote
Big Guy Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Posted March 3, 2015 To sharkman - I do not care what happens to Israel because I believe that their foreign and domestic policies have created their problems. I especially care what damage can be done to Canada if we continue to support them. I also care little about Italy, Greece, Portugal, Lithuania and about 189 other sovereign states on this earth - except where they influence what happens in Canada. I am a Canadian nationalist and proud of it. I also understand that the leader of every countries does what is best for the country or for themselves - that is OK with me except when that infringes on or makes things worse for Canada and Canadians. Of course Netanyahu does things that are best for Israel - good for him. That is why he was elected. I do not think that what he is doing (trying to sabotage a deal with Iran) is a good thing for Canada. Canada is where my loyalties lie. Your loyalties may lie elsewhere and for whatever reason - good for you! That is why we live in this wonderful country. I stand by my views. Thank you for reading my post and replying. PS - Why would my religion or background have an effect on my nationalism for Canada? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Rue Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 I'm not participating on this thread - just pointing out rule infringements. You did in posts 19 and 24. Thus the confusion as to what role you are playing, thank you. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 You did in posts 19 and 24. Thus the confusion as to what role you are playing, thank you. I pointed out a broken link is all... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Hudson Jones Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Netanyahu, GOP's U.S. President offered no action plan on Iran. This whole thing was useless, except to show arrogance and disrespect towards Obama - Which the GOP lives for and Netanyahu wins points for at home. Netanyahu was there because he likes standing ovations. What a yawner. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 The Palestinian leadership and their terrorist organizations don't get to address joint sessions of the U.S. Congress. I wonder why ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Who cares about U.S. Congress and.... Palestinian leadership. U.S. Congress is a bunch of prostitutes who get nothing done for the American people. Once again, the US Congress is doing something the American people don't really want. A large majority of Americans believe that Republican congressional leaders should not have invited Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak to Congress without consulting the White House, according to a new CNN/ORC survey. The nationwide poll, released Tuesday, shows 63% of Americans say it was a bad move for congressional leadership to extend the invitation without giving President Barack Obama a heads up that it was coming. Only 33% say it was the right thing to do. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 What are the poll results for inviting Palestinian leadership and terrorists to speak to Congress ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 If Netanyahu loses his election in Israel he could probably run for US president. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
sharkman Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 To sharkman - I do not care what happens to Israel because I believe that their foreign and domestic policies have created their problems. I especially care what damage can be done to Canada if we continue to support them. I also care little about Italy, Greece, Portugal, Lithuania and about 189 other sovereign states on this earth - except where they influence what happens in Canada. I am a Canadian nationalist and proud of it. I also understand that the leader of every countries does what is best for the country or for themselves - that is OK with me except when that infringes on or makes things worse for Canada and Canadians. Of course Netanyahu does things that are best for Israel - good for him. That is why he was elected. I do not think that what he is doing (trying to sabotage a deal with Iran) is a good thing for Canada. Canada is where my loyalties lie. Your loyalties may lie elsewhere and for whatever reason - good for you! That is why we live in this wonderful country. I stand by my views. Thank you for reading my post and replying. PS - Why would my religion or background have an effect on my nationalism for Canada? You specifically counted Jews and Muslims in Canada, and that says all I need to know about your slanted views. It's interesting how Jewish posters on this site have identified themselves as such, while everyone else hides their heritage behind made up handles. And it's also interesting how much these Jewish posters get attacked on this forum. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 No...not a natural born U.S. citizen...but he could be the PM of Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Netanyahu would never win a presidential race (if he were qualified). Nor could he become Canada's Prime Minister. He's only popular with the people that are paid by lobby groups such as AIPAC. The only reason the U.S. Congress gave him standing ovations was because they fear the backlash they'd receive, both financially and politically if they showed anything but the unbreakable bond between their lips and AIPAC's ass. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
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