Big Guy Posted February 26, 2015 Author Report Posted February 26, 2015 To Shady - Thank you for the correction. Kerry is the US Secretary of State and not Vice President. My bad. I should not post after my usual bedtime. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Shady Posted February 26, 2015 Report Posted February 26, 2015 To Shady - Thank you for the correction. Kerry is the US Secretary of State and not Vice President. My bad. I should not post after my usual bedtime. No worries. Quote
Rue Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Everyone has moved on. There is no question that Bibi has lied as according to the intelligence documents. You can live in your bubble of lies as you wish. Even Shady is above your desperate attempt here. Why because you say so? Here is how it works Hudson Jones. If you state a position but have no proof that is all it is, your subjective opinion. You have zero proof, zero, that Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. You have zero proof, zero to show Netanyahu lied. To show Netanyahu lied you need to provide proof there is no Iranian bomb. You have not. What next Hudson Jones, do you want to suggest you are in touch with Iranian intelligence? Give it a rest. Iran wont let the UN inspect the very things the UN needs to inspect to verify lack of nuclear weapons capacity. Quote
guyser Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossadPretty funny to watch the vitriol over something so simple and that everyone knows. Quote
Rue Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Its interesting. The usual anti Israelis will call Netanyahu a liar and rely on what exactly? Well supposedly the Guardian. And so? Oh well then thats it says Hudson Jones. Oh no. This notion that Marcus and Hudson Jones define the media to read and simply ignore anything they do not agree with as not existing..well its par for the course but its laughable. Oh come on the boys and girls of the anti Israel entourage, lets try ignore other media sources such as: Iran’s Fordo Nuclear Complex Reaches Capacity By DAVID E. SANGERPublished: November 16, 2012, New York Times WASHINGTON — Iran has finished installing all the critical equipment at a deep underground site where it is producing nuclear fuel that could quickly be converted to use in a nuclear weapon, international inspectors reported on Friday. But they said Iran has yet to ramp up production, leaving several months for President Obama and his allies to work on a diplomatic solution that could avoid a military confrontation. Say that was fun but wait.... Oren Dorell, USA TODAY 2:46 p.m. EST February 28, 2014 Iran is moving ahead with a nuclear program that U.S. officials said would be frozen, and it is now clear the USA and other world powers are willing to accept an Iranian enrichment program that Iran refuses to abandon, say analysts. Iran has continued research and development on new, far more efficient machines for producing uranium fuel that could power reactors or bombs, and its stockpile of low enriched uranium has actually grown, according to a report by Institute for Science and International Security. The Iranian regime has also trumpeted recent tests of new ballistic missiles that could be used to deliver a future warhead while its pariah economy has begun a modest recovery. Analysts watching the movements say the U.S. easing of economic sanctions against Iran to induce it to make compromises on a long-term nuclear agreement may not be having the desired effect. "If Iranians believe they can erode the sanctions without making additional nuclear concessions, then the improvement in the economy makes a comprehensive deal less likely," said Gary Samore, a former principal arms control adviser to President Obama. Gary Samore. Hmmm. But wait....it also stated: In recent weeks Iranian officials have said they will not dismantle elements of their nuclear program of concern to the West, including centrifuges, enrichment facilities and a heavy water reactor under construction that, once operational, would produce plutonium that could fuel a bomb with further processing. Among the concerns identified by Institute for Science and International Security and other sources: • Iran continues research and development work at its Natanz Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant, and has installed casing for a new eighth-generation centrifuge. Aliakbar Salehi, head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization, has said the new design is 15 times more powerful than the IR-1 centrifuge, according to Iran's state broadcaster IRIB. • The U.N.'s nuclear watchdog agency, the IAEA, reported no new progress on addressing its questions related to past military dimensions of Iran's nuclear program. It has yet to gain access to Parchin, a military site where the IAEA seeks to investigate concentric explosive devices that could be used to demolish bridges or detonate a nuclear warhead. Satellite imagery shows "what appears to be possible building material and debris" at Parchin, which had previously been paved over, making inspections there more difficult, the IAEA said. • Iran tested two new ballistic missiles this month, showing Iran is moving forward on delivery systems that could be used for a future warhead. Quote
Rue Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad Pretty funny to watch the vitriol over something so simple and that everyone knows. Oh there we go again...you Hudson and Marcus are everyone. Should I put a smiley at the end of my sentence or just tee hee hee. Quote
Rue Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Oh but wait now. I just cant seem to find the same media sources as Gusyer et al. Tee hee. I wonder why. I mean the sources I just quoted, are they everyone, anyone, someone? Well then how about this....http://www.irantracker.org/nuclear-program/zarif-iran-expanding-nuclear-enrichment-capacity-stockpiles-august-30-2012 Damn that The International Atomic Energy Agency, look what they reported back on August 30, 2012: Between May and August 2012, Iran produced an additional 454.9 kg of uranium enriched to civilian reactor-grade levels and 29.3 kg of uranium enriched to research reactor-grade levels.[1] It has produced enough low-enriched uranium at these levels to fuel five nuclear weapons after conversion to bomb-grade. Its total production of research reactor-grade enriched uranium is approaching the quantity needed for a short sprint to produce bomb-grade fuel for one warhead. Iran, based on its production rate over the last three months, will amass this quantity by late September. A portion of this material has been converted into fuel plates for the Tehran research reactor; however, nuclear proliferation experts have noted that these plates can be converted back into enriched uranium in short order. Iran is producing the majority of its research reactor-grade material at the Fordow facility, which is built into a small mountain outside Qom. Since May, the regime has doubled its enrichment capacity there by installing at least 1,044 additional first-generation centrifuges. It now has over 2,000 centrifuges present at that facility and is enriching with 696 of those machines. This dramatic increase in the number of centrifuges available at Fordow increases Iran’s capacity for producing research reactor-grade fuel and shortens the timetable for producing nuclear weapons fuel. Oh wait now. I know. The above article was written by a dirty Zionist. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Netanyahu's gatekeeper is still foaming at the mouth! "HE'S NOT LYING!" The Israeli government leaders, especially King Liar himself, Netanyahu, have been lying about Iran for a long time both to the public and to other governments in order to gather support. November 1992: “But the Israelis caution that a bigger threat to Middle East serenity — not to mention their own country’s security — lies in Teheran, whose regime they say is sure to become a nuclear power in a few years unless stopped.” Source: New York Times, “Israel Focuses on the Threat Beyond the Arabs — in Iran” 1995: “The best estimates at this time place Iran between three and five years away from possessing the prerequisites required for the independent production of nuclear weapons.” Source: Benjamin Netanyahu, in his book “Fighting Terrorism: How Democracies Can Defeat the International Terrorist Network” February 2009: “Netanyahu said he did not know for certain how close Iran was to developing a nuclear weapons capability, but that ‘our experts’ say Iran was probably only one or two years away and that was why they wanted open ended negotiations.” Source: Then-candidate for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in conversation with an American congressional delegation, as described in a cable released by WikiLeaks Edited February 27, 2015 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Shady Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Netanyahu's gatekeeper is still foaming at the mouth! "HE'S NOT LYING!" The Israeli government leaders, especially King Liar himself, Netanyahu, have been lying about Iran for a long time both to the public and to other governments in order to gather support. November 1992: “But the Israelis caution that a bigger threat to Middle East serenity — not to mention their own country’s security — lies in Teheran, whose regime they say is sure to become a nuclear power in a few years unless stopped.” Source: New York Times, “Israel Focuses on the Threat Beyond the Arabs — in Iran” 1995: “The best estimates at this time place Iran between three and five years away from possessing the prerequisites required for the independent production of nuclear weapons.” Source: Benjamin Netanyahu, in his book “Fighting Terrorism: How Democracies Can Defeat the International Terrorist Network” February 2009: “Netanyahu said he did not know for certain how close Iran was to developing a nuclear weapons capability, but that ‘our experts’ say Iran was probably only one or two years away and that was why they wanted open ended negotiations.” Source: Then-candidate for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in conversation with an American congressional delegation, as described in a cable released by WikiLeaks Yes, he's almost lied as much as the Iranians regarding their nuclear program, Quote
Hudson Jones Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 Yes, he's almost lied as much as the Iranians regarding their nuclear program, #1 - The least you can do is show examples of it #2 - Let's say that Iran lies so much about its nuclear program (that, according to Mossad and other intelligence agencies, is nowhere near being close to becoming a WMD), using the actions of a country that is supposed to be the worst of the worst and setting the bar so low only magnifies the point that is being made. Which is that Israel lies and practices double standards. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted February 27, 2015 Report Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Only a few years ago, a cartoon like this in the New York Times would have been inconceivable. Today, it's a reality. Times are changing. Edited February 27, 2015 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
GostHacked Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 Yes, he's almost lied as much as the Iranians regarding their nuclear program, How's Israel's nuclear program going? Quote
Rue Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 congrats Hudson Jones, nothing in the quotes you provided have shown Netanyahu lied. Lol. Quote
Rue Posted February 28, 2015 Report Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) I am so glad you asked Ghost. To start with Israel has had a capacity to engage in nuclear strikes with missiles since the mid 1960's. They made that clear unofficially to Moscow when Moscow in the peak of the cold war kept threatening to nuke Israel. Israel had to develop its nuclear weapons as a deterrent to the Soviets and it was certainly not assisted by the US who since the days of Eisenhower to date have never wanted anyone other than itself to have the nuke capacity to shoot missiles for common sense reasons. The US unlike the Soviets in the 50's with Eisenhower, then with LBJ and Nixon-Kissinger defused 3 imminent nuclear threats on Israel by the Soviets. The final and most closest attack was in the Yom Kippur war when a dunk Russian Colonel disobeyed orders turning on Kosygin, Breshnev and Gromyko and went rogue. None of us will ever know what the US did to head that off. The point being it was the US that acted as worldnuclear policeman not the UN and thank God they did. Now you tell me. When was the last time you heard Israel say it would remove Iran from the face of the earth? When was the last time Israel passed a constitution calling for the death of Muslims world wide as a holy duty of all Jews and that Jews would go to heaven if they blew themselves up doing this let alone find any virgins up there? When was the last time you heard Israel stating it would under no circumstance ever recognize a Muslim state? Tell me about the Jewish terror groups operating world wide and beheading people, blowing up innocent Muslim civilians and blowing people up for depicting Moses or Jerry Seinfeld in cartoons? Tell me you do realize that people do not lose sleep over the US,Britain, France having the nuke bomb but most fret about the fat boy in North Korea, Pakistan and Putin having the bomb? Uh no I do not think people worry that much about South Africa, India or Brazil having it, but might think differently about China. So your point? What you think anyone and everyone should have the nuke or its not fair? Really? Bottom line is-no one should have such weapons but reality is such that all of Western Europe, Canada,Argentina, Japan, Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, could either get their hands on one or make one if they wanted. Anyone with a nuclear reactor can make a bomb. The only question is how large of a radius of destruction and fall out do you want. Iran has had the capacity to engage in nuclear weapons exchanges with Israel since 2012 according to the UN. The bottom line is no one on this board knows the true story of what is going on. Its quite possible the nuclear story is a cover up for another coded propaganda war over chemical weapons. How would anyone on this board know? Only a complete moron would think they have the same access to info as Netanyahu, Putin, Bam Bam Obama, Harper, etc. I have said it many times. Any fool today could go on the internet and make a dirty bomb with sufficient radioactive fall out to kill hundreds of thousands. One can use fertilizer today to make as powerful blast. Chemicals are far more destructive than nuclear attacks and leave the infrastructure in place. More to the point, a cyber attack can cripple a country and wipe it out. A war is already going on. The weapon is the economy. China and Russia declared war on the US with Iran when they destabilized the petro dollar and stopped it from being traded in US dollars. SInce then they have conspired to wipe out the Gold Reserves and swamp the US in debt. The US is now in a depression. 50 million Americans are on food stamps. They don't line up at soup kitchens, but now in grocery stores. Millions of Americans have lost their homes and are permanently unemployed. The US can not pay back its national debt. The interest rate is so high, it prevents any recovery. China is headed for a bloody internal civil war reverting it to a Mao TseTung like extreme military North Korea like state with hundreds of millions purged in a cultural revolutionas itseconomy collapses from its Ponzi schemes. Russia will find its huge dependence on China to sell it oil blowing up in its face. Turkey is due or a civil war and so is Greece and perhaps Spain from economic turmoil. The internal security issues in Europe with Muslim extremists has yet to begin. All one has to do is watch the hot spots to see nuclear weapons awhile a serious issue also area diversion from a serious impending economic collapses. Russia too is headed for financial crisis over Ukraine. It doesn't have the finances to prolong the war in the Ukraine without compromising its ability to feed its own people. No one has a true picture of what is really going on. Edited February 28, 2015 by Rue Quote
marcus Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 Banksy is another anti-Semite terrorist supporter. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
GostHacked Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 But yet Israel will not sign up to the NPT and open it's facilities to international inspection while bitching about Iraq and Iran and Syria to come clean with theirs. Quote
Rue Posted March 1, 2015 Report Posted March 1, 2015 Yes of course Ghost. It is most certainly a double standard. Its based on the same double standard that does not question the 5 permanent members of the UN security council, all coincidentally holders of the nuclear weapon. There is most certainly at one level a double standard that argues if ANY country has a nuke weapon, all countries should be equally entitled to a nuke weapon. I can not fault that argument at one level. Its necessarily discriminatory to say one or any country should have a nuke weapon but not others. I can not argue with you that is not discriminatory or a double standard. I concede that point. Then again if I am Israel you bet I do not want Syria and Iran getting their hands on nukes or for that matter ISIL, Hezbollah, Turkey, and I am sure they were not happy when Pakistan did. Israel has not hidden to its Arab neighbours its nuke weapons capacity. It just does not mention them so as to not give its hostile neighbours an excuse to say they are threatened by them. That is the point. Israel has not used the terms of belligerence against Iran, Iran has in reverse. Israel has never said Iran is a cancer that needs to be wiped out as Iran did. So its double standard is not in doubt. Many share that double standard. They also don't think North Korea should have a bomb or Pakistan. In an ideal world no one should have them. If I am Israel I don' t particularly give a sheeyit what anyone thinks. I am simply concerned about the threat from Iran at this point. Clearly when a country is friendly and stable no one gives a hoot if it has a nuke bomb. There is most certainly a double standard here if that is your point. Now if you could show me genuinely Iran was only developing nuclear reactors for energy not missiles,that is one thing. The point is however, once any country has nuclear reactors it can easily conceal its use of those reactors for weapons as Iran has done from the UN preventing key inspections. Me personally I think nuke weapons are not even the key story. I believe Iran has had them since the early 1990's.I believe it has in fact 4 it purchased. I also believe chemicals are the real threat not nukes. Iran has full capacity to wipe out Israel with its missiles. So does Hezbollah. Any one of those missiles could carry a nuke weapon from North Korea, or Russia let alone anthrax, etc. Hezbollah is no typical terrorist organization. The average age of its fighters are in the mid 40's.They are full of engineers, highly educated engineers at that. For all we know secret cat and mouse game is going on because of the disasterous Obama years leaving a vacuum of leadership and a true policeman overlooking everyone and so this never ending rhetoric. I believe its a direct result of Obama pulling the US out of the Middle East as the go to police officer for all. I believe the US played the role of nuclear police officer for the world and now that Obama has pulled it off world stage as the go to police officer, a vacuum came about and now everyone is fending for themselves. I believe untila strong US President is back in power, we will have this serious cat and mouse game escalate in Ukraine,Iraq,with Iran. You will not Ghost ever get an argument from me that NO country in an ideal world should have nuke or chemical weapons or for that matter use white phosphorous weapons. Then again the majority of participants in our wars today do not follow war conventions-they do not believe in any code of conduct. Quote
Big Guy Posted March 1, 2015 Author Report Posted March 1, 2015 What Bibi says in his speech to Congress will decide the next leader of Israel. Isaac Herzog, the leader of the Labour Party in Israel is now polling as tied with Netanyahu. There is a lot of opposition to Netanyahu in Israel and with the latest revelations from Mossad, Bibi is losing credibility in Israel. I think Bibi is ruing the day he chose to thumb his nose at Obama. I am looking forward to that speech. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Rue Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) Oh wait now, Netanyahu who Big guy is on a first name basis with, is...drum roll pleas.. "ruing the day he chose to thumb his nose at Obama". Good God. Which day? He's been thumbing his nose at Obama for over 8 years. Can we be specific as to which day it was? Lol. It never ceases to amaze me how wrong Big Guy can be... Its like watching the Coyote in a Roadrunner Cartoon. Earth to Big Guy calling, the only thing anyone is "ruing" in Israel or the US is Obama having got elected or in the case of Israeli politicians the unfair advantage that Netanyahu gets. The opportunity to address Congess ispartisan pay back. The Republicans are giving Netanyahu thanks for his previous support to Romney and McCain when they ran against Obama by giving both Netanyahu and the Republicans a pre-election anti Iran platform. Its a win win for them both. Both the Republicans and Netanyahu believe the surest way to increase their popularity is to tell Americans and Israelis via the congressional speech the mistakes of Obama in regards to Iran. The only one ruing anything is Obama-he brought this humiliation on himself He had no problem humiliating Netanyahu and Sen.John McCain the most powerful US politician in regards to foreign policy and armed forces policy in the Republican Party.Now its pay back for both men. Also make no mistake-the US Armed Forces has also been humiliated by Obama and they probably will not lose any sleep seeing their so called Commander in Chief who has all but crippled them, be criticized openly. Obama has made a lot of enemies in the US as to his foreign policies and his decision to kiss up to the Muslim Brotherhood, support Erdogan,Morsi, Iran, create ISIL, blow it on Syria, the Ukraine. He's even given the finger to what are supposed to be allies Harper (vetoing the pipeline),Merkel (ignoring her requests on how to deal with Russia, spying on her) and India (walking out of a state visit in the middle of the visit to go to a funeral in Saudi Arabia), insulting the French President (refusing to march in the anti terrorist walk with other world leaders), and even his supposed strongest ally Cameron of the UK (criticizing and countermanding British forces in Iraq and Afghanistan causing Cameron to pull out all British forces from there and Afghanistan). Obama in eight years has humiliated his closet allies in NATO,his closet allies in the Middle Eas (Saudi Arabia,Egypt and Israel) and has what to show for it? What did his support of his father, step father and half brother get him?All three are Muslim Brotherhood. So what did his ties to the Muslim Brotherhood get him? What did sending Kerry to Jerusalem in the middle of the Hamas uprising to insult the PA, Israel and Egypt get him? This is a man who told all three their peace treaty was unfair to Hamas only to see that very same peace treaty implemented 3 weeks later. Just what did his alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood, its terror groups Hamas and ISlL and Morsi and Erdogan get him?What has he achieved?What did he achieve in Syria, Ukraine? What the hell happened with his medicare? What vision has he left? What has he done to justify the Nobel Peace Prize? Iran is a last ditch attempt to try salvage his reputation and leave a legacy and its blowing up in his face. Hey Gug Guy feel free to rue Rue. Edited March 2, 2015 by Rue Quote
marcus Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Obama in eight years has humiliated his closet allies in NATO,his closet allies in the Middle Eas (Saudi Arabia,Egypt and Israel) and has what to show for it? Saudi, Egypt and Israel. Who needs these human rights violators as allies? Good for Obama for at least not fully and completely following the system of unconditionally supporting those three countries. What did his support of his father, step father and half brother get him?All three are Muslim Brotherhood. Holy tinfoil hat. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Big Guy Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Posted March 2, 2015 Looks like Bibi has decided to double down on his attempt to change American foreign policy. Bibi spoke to an Israeli lobby group telling them that the deal with Iran is a "threat to Israeli security"; http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/netanyahu-address-pro-israel-lobby-group-150302131010392.html I guess Bibi feels that by publicly telling the President of the United States that the President is mistaken and what the President should be doing is an appropriate behaviour for Israeli leadership. I hope this attitude comes back to bite him right in his assets. So this deal with Iran is a "threat to Israeli security". So what? If it is a good deal for the USA, Canada and the stability of the Middle East then it is what is wrong with that? Maybe it is time for Netanyahu to review his foreign policy, quit aggravating by building more settlements and wake up to the consequences of his actions on behalf of Israel. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
PrimeNumber Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 What did his support of his father, step father and half brother get him?All three are Muslim Brotherhood. Isn't his half-brother Jewish? http://www.timesofisrael.com/no-were-not-a-normal-family-says-obamas-jewish-half-brother/ Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
Bob Macadoo Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Isn't his half-brother Jewish? http://www.timesofisrael.com/no-were-not-a-normal-family-says-obamas-jewish-half-brother/ That makes him only 1/4 Jewish related.......probably enough to be an antisemite. Quote
sharkman Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Looks like Bibi has decided to double down on his attempt to change American foreign policy. Bibi spoke to an Israeli lobby group telling them that the deal with Iran is a "threat to Israeli security"; http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/netanyahu-address-pro-israel-lobby-group-150302131010392.html I guess Bibi feels that by publicly telling the President of the United States that the President is mistaken and what the President should be doing is an appropriate behaviour for Israeli leadership. I hope this attitude comes back to bite him right in his assets. So this deal with Iran is a "threat to Israeli security". So what? If it is a good deal for the USA, Canada and the stability of the Middle East then it is what is wrong with that? Maybe it is time for Netanyahu to review his foreign policy, quit aggravating by building more settlements and wake up to the consequences of his actions on behalf of Israel. That's about the poorest analysis I've seen so far. He's not telling Obama anything. Obama is running away rather than listening to what his closest ally in the region has to say. This deal won't add any stability to the ME, it will give nukes to a seriously disfunctional nation that has ties to terrorism. Quote
sharkman Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 ... Obama has made a lot of enemies in the US as to his foreign policies and his decision to kiss up to the Muslim Brotherhood, support Erdogan,Morsi, Iran, create ISIL, blow it on Syria, the Ukraine. He's even given the finger to what are supposed to be allies Harper (vetoing the pipeline),Merkel (ignoring her requests on how to deal with Russia, spying on her) and India (walking out of a state visit in the middle of the visit to go to a funeral in Saudi Arabia), insulting the French President (refusing to march in the anti terrorist walk with other world leaders), and even his supposed strongest ally Cameron of the UK (criticizing and countermanding British forces in Iraq and Afghanistan causing Cameron to pull out all British forces from there and Afghanistan). Obama in eight years has humiliated his closet allies in NATO,his closet allies in the Middle Eas (Saudi Arabia,Egypt and Israel) and has what to show for it? What did his support of his father, step father and half brother get him?All three are Muslim Brotherhood. So what did his ties to the Muslim Brotherhood get him? What did sending Kerry to Jerusalem in the middle of the Hamas uprising to insult the PA, Israel and Egypt get him? This is a man who told all three their peace treaty was unfair to Hamas only to see that very same peace treaty implemented 3 weeks later. Just what did his alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood, its terror groups Hamas and ISlL and Morsi and Erdogan get him?What has he achieved?What did he achieve in Syria, Ukraine? What the hell happened with his medicare? What vision has he left? What has he done to justify the Nobel Peace Prize? Iran is a last ditch attempt to try salvage his reputation and leave a legacy and its blowing up in his face. Hey Gug Guy feel free to rue Rue. Rue, when you add it all up, Obama has made the US a non ally to Israel. He never was, and a big part of his energy was spent on getting America on a pro Iran footing these last several years. Rumour has it that he even threatened to shoot down Israeli jets when they were planning an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. Either way, your above list is breath taking when you read it all at once. Obama has made such a mess of foreign policy and the US debt/economy that I can't suspect him of being that inept. Quote
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