Guest Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 You seem to be using some different definition for Christian. For my definition of a Christian, a Christian is someone who does not endorse, support, and/or celebrate pride, given that the Greek word hyperēphania in Mark 7:22 has been translated in at least sixteen Bible translations as "pride", and given the other references to pride in various Bible translations. I am using a different definition. I'm pretty sure that somewhere in the Bible it says they should be nice to people. I'm using that bit. Quote
dpwozney Posted January 3, 2015 Author Report Posted January 3, 2015 I think it does. You seem to be using some different definition for Christian. For my definition of a Christian, a Christian is someone who does not endorse, support, and/or celebrate pride, given that the Greek word hyperēphania in Mark 7:22 has been translated in at least sixteen Bible translations as "pride", and given the other references to pride in various Bible translations. One of those Bible translations, the KJV translation, states: "And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." (Mark 7:20-23, KJV) Quote
dpwozney Posted January 3, 2015 Author Report Posted January 3, 2015 I am using a different definition. I'm pretty sure that somewhere in the Bible it says they should be nice to people. I'm using that bit. Does your definition of Christian include someone who endorses, supports, and/or celebrates an evil thing? Quote
PrimeNumber Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 You seem to be using some different definition for Christian. For my definition of a Christian, a Christian is someone who does not endorse, support, and/or celebrate pride, given that the Greek word hyperēphania in Mark 7:22 has been translated in at least sixteen Bible translations as "pride", and given the other references to pride in various Bible translations. One of those Bible translations, the KJV translation, states: "And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." (Mark 7:20-23, KJV) So does this mean that Christians can't be foolish either? Because then, I'm pretty sure no one in the history of Christianity has ever been a Christian. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
kimmy Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 Next time I see a car with a bumper sticker that says "Proud parent of a Kim City Christian Academy student!" should I tell those people that they're not actually Christians? Or should I let them continue to sin and let God deal with it? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Guest Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 Does your definition of Christian include someone who endorses, supports, and/or celebrates an evil thing? My definition of Christian includes someone who actually knows an evil thing when they see one. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 You seem to be using some different definition for Christian. For my definition of a Christian, ... Ok, well if we're using YOUR definition of Christian... wait... why would we do that again ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 Ok, well if we're using YOUR definition of Christian... wait... why would we do that again ? Maybe we should use MY definition ? I define it as... Wait... we should maybe let Jesus speak for himself: http://biblehub.com/john/15-12.htm "“This is my commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.”" Lots of translations on that page. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
dpwozney Posted January 3, 2015 Author Report Posted January 3, 2015 My definition of Christian includes someone who actually knows an evil thing when they see one. Christians are instructed to "Abstain from all appearance of evil" (1 Thessalonians 5:21 (KJV)). Quote
Guest Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 Exactly. And those who know evil when they see it can abstain. Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 Ahh, yes, the King James version of the Bible. This would be the same King James who was an expert witch hunter. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
PrimeNumber Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 Ahh, yes, the King James version of the Bible. This would be the same King James who was an expert witch hunter. Witches are evil, we should abstain from whitches. Because everyone knows they're real, just like demons, wizards and dragons! Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
kimmy Posted January 3, 2015 Report Posted January 3, 2015 Christians are instructed to "Abstain from all appearance of evil" (1 Thessalonians 5:21 (KJV)). Some of them are pretty bad at it. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
dpwozney Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Posted January 13, 2015 Ok, well if we're using YOUR definition of Christian... wait... why would we do that again ? My definition of Christian is basically the same as most commonly-accepted definitions of Christian, such as "a follower of Jesus Christ", "a believer in Christianity", and "an individual who seeks to live his or her life according to the principles and values taught by Jesus Christ". Jesus Christ taught that pride is an evil thing (Mark 7:20-23). Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 13, 2015 Report Posted January 13, 2015 My definition of Christian is basically the same as most commonly-accepted definitions of Christian, such as "a follower of Jesus Christ", "a believer in Christianity", and "an individual who seeks to live his or her life according to the principles and values taught by Jesus Christ". Jesus Christ taught that pride is an evil thing (Mark 7:20-23). Right... but it's difficult to tell when translation from ancient Aramaic though Greek whether he was actually referring to the Pride parades of the day. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
The_Squid Posted January 14, 2015 Report Posted January 14, 2015 My definition of Christian is basically the same as most commonly-accepted definitions of Christian, such as "a follower of Jesus Christ", "a believer in Christianity", and "an individual who seeks to live his or her life according to the principles and values taught by Jesus Christ". Jesus Christ taught that pride is an evil thing (Mark 7:20-23). Are you a proud Canadian? Is this included in the biblical "pride-ban"? As MH points out, your interpretation of this particular passage is rather shaky... Please give us more examples of the sinful behaviour... You have mentioned you can't be proud to be gay... "gay pride" Can you be a proud parent? Have pride in your kids' accomplishments? Is that a sin? Limiting your interpretation to one single event, which you happen to disagree with, is rather convenient... Quote
dpwozney Posted January 15, 2015 Author Report Posted January 15, 2015 As MH points out, your interpretation of this particular passage is rather shaky... I interpreted "pride", in Mark 7:20-23, as meaning "pride". A person can be proud; in fact, not only can people be proud, but people shall be proud, as 2 Timothy 3:2 indicates. 3:1 This know also: that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, without selfcontrol, fierce, despisers of those who are good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. From such turn away. (2 Timothy 3:1-5) Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 We're also not supposed to judge, but I'm not judging. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
BubberMiley Posted January 15, 2015 Report Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) Christians do not go around using non-word-of-God definitions and disagreeing with Jesus Christ.A lot of them disagree with Christ's opinion of those who pray in public. Christ would not be down with big-box churches and fish stickers on your bumper. More than anything, he was opposed to anyone judging his neighbour. So under my (and Christ's) definition of Christianity, your judgement of those who are proud makes you not a Christian. Edited January 15, 2015 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
dpwozney Posted January 16, 2015 Author Report Posted January 16, 2015 Christians are supposed to discern both good and evil. "Test all things; hold fast to that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil." 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 Quote
BubberMiley Posted January 16, 2015 Report Posted January 16, 2015 But Christ explicitly said, many times, that he doesn’t like people judging others. It seemed to really get on his nerves. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2015 Report Posted January 16, 2015 Wow...now we know explicitly what Jesus H. Christ said...amazing ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dpwozney Posted January 16, 2015 Author Report Posted January 16, 2015 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Matthew 7:1-2 The commandment in Matthew 7:1-2 is to judge not violations of the laws of God along with dispensing out measures. See also Matthew 13:28-30. New Testament Christian law does not instruct men to carry out any specified penalty, punishment, or enforcement for violations of the laws of God before the end of the present church age. Nevertheless, both good and evil are to be discerned. "Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?" Luke 12:57 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." John 7:24 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12:2 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." 1 Corinthians 2:15 "For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord." Ephesians 5:8-10 "That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;" Philippians 1:10 Quote
jacee Posted January 16, 2015 Report Posted January 16, 2015 "City of Edmonton Senior Policy Advisor" Gibby Davis is quoted in this December 8th Edmonton Journal article. Endorsing, supporting, and/or celebrating pride does not include Christians. Jesus Christ referred to pride as being an evil thing. "And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." Mark 7:20-23 (KJV) Of course religion is and always has been just a creation of the ruling classes to impose their will on the people, so this kind of oppressive 'rule' is predictable in that context. Fine for kings and priests and the merchant class to be greedy adulterous vain and malicious, but not the people. . Quote
BubberMiley Posted January 16, 2015 Report Posted January 16, 2015 "Judge not, that ye be not judged.Exactly. And Christ is speaking of pride in the context of wealth and being so proud that you feel you are superior to others. Thus says the Lord: “Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty man boast in his might, let not the rich man boast in his riches.... (Jeremiah 9:23) Christ does not have a problem with pride in the glory of being one of God’s children. Pride in that context is fine: “In Christ Jesus, then, I have reason to be proud of my work for God.” (Romans 15:17) Pride in being what God made you is just a recognition that we are all His children. Sadly, there are a lot of pseudo-Christians who ignore his teachings in the hopes of belittling others. Christ was clear in how he thought of those people too. “Whoever belittles his neighbor lacks sense, but a man of understanding remains silent.” (Proverbs 11:12) Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
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