Big Guy Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Posted November 5, 2014 Personally, I like to make my decisions and evaluation of any action based on the best evidence. A video is the best evidence of what happened. If you do not want to see it then good for you. Accept what you have been told by our government as to what happened and go to bed happy. I want to see it because it is available as the best evidence and there is no legal reason why it should not be released. What is it that we are not allowed to see? Government officials generally do not release information that they feel the public should not have access to. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 Personally, I like to make my decisions and evaluation of any action based on the best evidence. A video is the best evidence of what happened. If you do not want to see it then good for you. Accept what you have been told by our government as to what happened and go to bed happy. I want to see it because it is available as the best evidence and there is no legal reason why it should not be released. What is it that we are not allowed to see? Government officials generally do not release information that they feel the public should not have access to. I think they don't want you to see blood and guts all over the floor of OUR house so you can go to bed happy. Aside from that it would serve no purpose. Quote
jbg Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) What is wrong with releasing a video of a fire fight in OUR house of parliament?If you're into sensationalist violence or encouraging copy-cats that's a great idea. Why do you want it released? Are you going to argue that the shooter is some Canadian version of Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin, killed not because he was a murderer but because he was Muslim? Edited November 5, 2014 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
The_Squid Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 There's no reason to see the video. Quote
Argus Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 What if the shooter was prepared to give himself up and was not given the chance? A video would show that. I guess there are some people for whom reality television still can't satisfy their voyeuristic lust for tragedy, misery and plain old nastiness. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 Personally, I like to make my decisions and evaluation of any action based on the best evidence. Demonstrably untrue. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Posted November 5, 2014 I expected the usual adolescent garbage from the cheap shot artist on this board but am surprised by the response from the more cerebral posters. The motive for this attack has been in the center of the discussion here and elsewhere. A Canadian officer has been quoted as stating that our latest air raid over Iraq is in retaliation for the attack in Ottawa. The shooters mother has declared that her son was NOT a terrorist but mentally deranged. We have people on this board claiming that this was the result of a terrorist attack while others claim that it had nothing to do with Muslims. All of these opinions are based on what little information we have been given as to what happened. There would be a big difference if the last words of the killer were "Allah Ackbar" or "I give up!" or "Death to Infidels" or "I want my Mom" as to the motivation of the killer. You may not be interested but I am. If you believe everything that is fed to you by this government then good for you. BTW You would not be forced to watch it but I would like to see EXACTLY what happened. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
GostHacked Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 I am with you there Big Guy, the video should be released. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 I'm against releasing it, for reasons of security and of good taste. If there were important details in there, then they should have already come out. If they haven't then so be it. You can't run a country with 100% transparency. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
dre Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 Yes, and sometimes if you're intellectually dishonest enough you can even alter the definitions. Problem is... I was the only one that didnt do that. I actually posted the real definition and explained why this situation may or may not fit. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 He had already murdered one guy and was now running loose in OUR house with a loaded 30-30. "Death by cop" who needs to see it? You can't run a country with 100% transparency. No, but you can have an awful lot more than we have now. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
marcus Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 I'm against releasing it, for reasons of security and of good taste. If there were important details in there, then they should have already come out. If they haven't then so be it. You can't run a country with 100% transparency. THEN MOVE TO COMMUNIST CHINA! Joke. Sort of. How would releasing the video jeopardize security? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
PIK Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 Loose lips sinks ships. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
jacee Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) /explosive-cocktail-of-mental-illness-drug-addiction-and-extremist-ideology-behind-cirillo-shooting-minister The federal public safety minister ...We saw the explosive cocktail that mental health, drug addiction and ideology extremist-inspired can provide." The public safety minister defended new counterterrorism legislation ... Ok ... counterterrorism and dropping bombs in retaliation ... But what about addressing the other two elements of the "explosive cocktail" ... mental health? drug addiction? Does counterterrorism try at all to address those issues for the 90+ people on their watch list? Anybody know? <crickets> . Edited November 5, 2014 by jacee Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 How would releasing the video jeopardize security? It would show holes in the current system, and probably open up ideas for alternate strategies which could still work after a security revamp. This is why the video footage of the plane hitting the pentagon was only released in a limited way. Of course, there's an element that will say that there is "no video", which is nonsense. Such people wouldn't even be quieted by the release of the videos anyway. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted November 5, 2014 Report Posted November 5, 2014 Of course, there's an element that will say that there is "no video", which is nonsense. Such people wouldn't even be quieted by the release of the videos anyway. We had video and pictures of the WTC bombing and plenty of people still insist there were no airplanes involved. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted November 6, 2014 Report Posted November 6, 2014 It would show holes in the current system, and probably open up ideas for alternate strategies which could still work after a security revamp. This is why the video footage of the plane hitting the pentagon was only released in a limited way. Of course, there's an element that will say that there is "no video", which is nonsense. Such people wouldn't even be quieted by the release of the videos anyway. That flimsy justification could be used for withholding literally ANY information about our government and how and where it operates. Such people wouldn't even be quieted by the release of the videos anyway. Yup. Blind trust VS Blind distrust. Each of them equally silly positions, and yours is no less silly than the ones you ridicule. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Michael Hardner Posted November 6, 2014 Report Posted November 6, 2014 That flimsy justification could be used for withholding literally ANY information about our government and how and where it operates. But it isn't. ... yours is no less silly than the ones you ridicule. I would say it's less silly. The 9/11 truth people never let up, even after their points are shot down. That's what I based my opinion on. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
jacee Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Are you suggesting that all people on the list are drug addicted and suffer from mental illness?It might be worth a looksee if some could be treated.eta And I guess they are! /meet-the-man-who-saves-kids-from-joining-isis- nd in a political climate where radicalization is a commonplace term and Mosques are holding events to denounce hatred and extremism, hes actively working with the federal government and the RCMP, counselling young people with sometimes dangerously violent views. He sits down with would-be extremists one-on-one and tries to pull them off the path to violence. In recent years, he has saved 10 young people with radicalized views from across Canada who were actively planning to join terrorist groups like ISIS, he says.. . ... Canadian governments cross-cultural roundtable on national security . Edited November 7, 2014 by jacee Quote
Army Guy Posted November 7, 2014 Report Posted November 7, 2014 I expected the usual adolescent garbage from the cheap shot artist on this board but am surprised by the response from the more cerebral posters. The motive for this attack has been in the center of the discussion here and elsewhere. A Canadian officer has been quoted as stating that our latest air raid over Iraq is in retaliation for the attack in Ottawa. The shooters mother has declared that her son was NOT a terrorist but mentally deranged. We have people on this board claiming that this was the result of a terrorist attack while others claim that it had nothing to do with Muslims. All of these opinions are based on what little information we have been given as to what happened. There would be a big difference if the last words of the killer were "Allah Ackbar" or "I give up!" or "Death to Infidels" or "I want my Mom" as to the motivation of the killer. You may not be interested but I am. If you believe everything that is fed to you by this government then good for you. BTW You would not be forced to watch it but I would like to see EXACTLY what happened. The Canadian Officer was wrong, for serveral reasons, one it is a policitcal statement, one that unless instructed by the highest authority he had no bussiness in making and if he was instructed to do so, they used the wrong dept to release that message. 2 he is a soldier, a tool for the government to use in this case to carry out foreign policy. which in his case is to close with and destroy our enemies, nothing else....All one has to do is look at the facts, our government had decided well before these attacks that they would join the coalition of countries in an air campaign against ISIL targets in Iraq.... I think every mother would say the same thing if in the same situation, however his condition allowed him to become radicalized by the intra net, and he did carry out an attack. Unfortunately we will not know his true intentions as he was killed during his attack. But if one had to pigion hole this event, i would say he was influenced by a terrorist web site, and file it under a terrorist attack....that being said it is my personal opinion, that and a 1.99 will get you a coffee at timmies. His Last words....I've heard more than my share, i think your perception is more related to the movies, the men i was with in their last moments were not thinking about what they were doing seconds before, but rather family, wifes, kids, mothers and fathers.....they knew they were dying and that is who they wanted their last thoughts to be of....they were afraid to die, as they did not know what was next..... and did not want to leave them..so i would say his last thought were the same....not very telling as to motivation.... As for showing the tape, I know some people have a want to know, those people who need to know will most likely see the tape, but does it out wiegh the following considerations the mother, her family close freinds etc, i get it they don't have to watch but like everything that is news worthy it will go viral and may be hard to not watch it or become aware of it's contents..... The men that did the shooting, nobody wants to relive that moment when they took a life, nor do they want their families or freinds seeing it....Yes the Sgt in Arms was hailed a hero, but i bet he does not re joice in the fact that he took a life, even if it is his job....i'm sure alot of them are struggling with it....As do most normal people. As mentioned here before security, anyone who is planning something similar could learn from the mistakes made on both sides, and use them to their advantage..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
socialist Posted November 8, 2014 Report Posted November 8, 2014 This violence is a reminder that we are not there yet in building a compassionate, inclusive world. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Argus Posted November 8, 2014 Report Posted November 8, 2014 This violence is a reminder that we are not there yet in building a compassionate, inclusive world. It's a reminder not everyone wants to be a part of your compassionate, inclusive world. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
socialist Posted November 8, 2014 Report Posted November 8, 2014 It's a reminder not everyone wants to be a part of your compassionate, inclusive world. You are misinformed. How can you be against a compassionate, inclusive world? Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
WWWTT Posted November 8, 2014 Report Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) I think every mother would say the same thing if in the same situation, however his condition allowed him to become radicalized by the intra net, and he did carry out an attack. Unfortunately we will not know his true intentions as he was killed during his attack. But if one had to pigion hole this event, i would say he was influenced by a terrorist web site, and file it under a terrorist attack....that being said it is my personal opinion, that and a 1.99 will get you a coffee at timmies. Total BS buddy! http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/report-finds-government-agents-directly-involved-in-many-u-s-terror-plots/ I give a ratt's ass how you justify this countries "war pig" lust for killing people whom had never threatened one single Canadian on Canadian soil! WWWTT Edited November 8, 2014 by WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Bryan Posted November 8, 2014 Report Posted November 8, 2014 You are misinformed. How can you be against a compassionate, inclusive world? Don't kid yourself. An awful lot of people have no interest at all in compassion or inclusiveness. Quote
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