Big Guy Posted November 9, 2014 Author Report Posted November 9, 2014 Regarding WWWTT use of Russian media as a reference - I think any poster can use any resource as a reference. It is up to the poster to evaluate the credibility of the source. If I do not give the source credibility then I discount it - but never use it as a reason to ridicule another poster. There is really no reason to ridicule another poster for their views. Personally, I have been following the situation in the Ukraine. On any incident, I read Pravda.ru, for the Russian view, KyivPost for the Ukrainian nationalist view, Reuters for the EU view and Al Jazeera for the Middle East view. If it concerns the West then I also reference CNN and the New York Times. After reading the different views of the incident I can then try to glean out the facts and make my own decision as to what actually happened. Of course each publication will have its own spin on the incident but that is their role. As long as you understand that as a fact then you gain from the experience. I think it is a major mistake to read only publications which follow your particular political leanings and prejudices. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 Regarding WWWTT use of Russian media as a reference - I think any poster can use any resource as a reference. It is up to the poster to evaluate the credibility of the source. If I do not give the source credibility then I discount it - but never use it as a reason to ridicule another poster. There is really no reason to ridicule another poster for their views. No, it's up to readers to evaluate the reference and discount it - and whoever used it, if they so choose. And a ridiculous reference and a ridiulous opinion tends to draw ridicule. You should surely be aware of that... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 If I do not give the source credibility then I discount it - but never use it as a reason to ridicule another poster. Ridiculing the source, criticizing the post is entirely different from attacking the poster. If weren't able to ridicule the sources that people use, we'd have to accept a lot of hogwash on here that is just plain made up. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 Other than that, this thread has a lot of personal attacks and sniping rather than discussion. Please move forward with the facts, report anything that is out of bounds and move on. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
socialist Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 I guess you didn't take that course, then. Socially active kids who can't read or write or do math, know nohing of history and very little about the world. Yay. Socially active kids understand the injustices of the world. They understand inequality and will work hard for equality. They understand environmental justice so that they will leave a better earth fro coming generations. They know the 1% could care less about them. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Argus Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 Socially active kids understand the injustices of the world. They understand inequality and will work hard for equality. They understand environmental justice so that they will leave a better earth fro coming generations. They know the 1% could care less about them. You can't know anything without an education. That's why it's so easy to get third world people with little education all riled up and into violent mobs. Ignorance does not lead to an understanding of complicated issues. If you want to be a rabble rouser go over to rabble and rouse them. Teachers are paid to teach the basics, not to try to brainwash unsophisticated children with their own political beliefs. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
socialist Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 You can't know anything without an education. That's why it's so easy to get third world people with little education all riled up and into violent mobs. Ignorance does not lead to an understanding of complicated issues. If you want to be a rabble rouser go over to rabble and rouse them. Teachers are paid to teach the basics, not to try to brainwash unsophisticated children with their own political beliefs. What are the basics? It isn't 1950 anymore, in case you are unaware. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Argus Posted November 9, 2014 Report Posted November 9, 2014 What are the basics? It isn't 1950 anymore, in case you are unaware. Wasn't around in 1950, but the basics haven't changed a bit since then. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted November 10, 2014 Author Report Posted November 10, 2014 To Michael - It is one thing to NOT accept a source in a discussion. One can question it, dismiss it or ignore it. Ridiculing anything a person posts is ridiculing the poster - perhaps through his/her choice of the source. Ridicule is never a positive nor progressive approach to civilized dialogue. I suggest that you review your criteria for what is acceptable and what is not. There is a reason that posts evolve into personal attacks and sniping. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 To Michael - It is one thing to NOT accept a source in a discussion. One can question it, dismiss it or ignore it. Ridiculing anything a person posts is ridiculing the poster - perhaps through his/her choice of the source. Ridicule is never a positive nor progressive approach to civilized dialogue. I suggest that you review your criteria for what is acceptable and what is not. There is a reason that posts evolve into personal attacks and sniping. I think we are all grown up boys and girls here. If you choose to quote a source that is pretty much universally known as being totally scripted and biased, and you get called on it, well just take a lesson and move on. There are lot's of credible sources around. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 Ridicule is never a positive nor progressive approach to civilized dialogue. I suggest that you review your criteria for what is acceptable and what is not. There is a reason that posts evolve into personal attacks and sniping. Well, you have a point but actually some people have posted ridiculous sources. I'll think about it, though. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Big Guy Posted November 10, 2014 Author Report Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Grown up Boys and Girls might ridicule what other posters choose to share but mature adults desiring civil dialogue do not. That is the kind of baiting that escalates to personal attacks. Edited November 10, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jbg Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 WWWTT You didn't say anything. Do you agree with me? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 Grown up Boys and Girls might ridicule what other posters choose to share but mature adults desiring civil dialogue do not. That is the kind of baiting that escalates to personal attacks. Criticizing the source someone posts is not a personal attack. I don't know why you are taking it personally, it wasn't you who posted the RT link. Quote
Bryan Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 An RT link is at least slightly more credible than a CBC or Toronto Star one. That's not saying much though. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 Bryan - you're talking about the Star that broke the Ghomeshi story this year and the Rob Ford story last year ? No, those are real examples of journalism. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 Criticizing the source someone posts is not a personal attack. I don't know why you are taking it personally, it wasn't you who posted the RT link. OGfT - there's the difference: criticizing versus ridiculing. I have had some offline discussions with the mods and continued to read the thread. Big Guy is also right that ridiculing escalates things, and I think that ridiculing takes the thread off the topic being discussed and into a discussion about thread decorum and other topics. So, ridiculing a source is probably NOT a good idea. However, criticizing a source is likely in bounds as we do not have accept sources that are historically incorrect. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Army Guy Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 Total BS buddy! http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/report-finds-government-agents-directly-involved-in-many-u-s-terror-plots/ I give a ratt's ass how you justify this countries "war pig" lust for killing people whom had never threatened one single Canadian on Canadian soil! WWWTT Well WWWTT it must have struck a cord some where or you would have not responded to "as you call it Total BS". We are talking about a person that shot a soldier at our Nation war memorial are we not, then proceeded to into our nations parliment to do what exactly, give out candy....of course it is all BS in your world ....But I'm sorry.... but from my planet it looks like a terrorist attack....And most of us on this web site are sure the FBI had nothing to do with it, Nor was it some Canadian Government plot. to some how justify sending our bombers to Iraq.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jacee Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 Well WWWTT it must have struck a cord some where or you would have not responded to "as you call it Total BS". We are talking about a person that shot a soldier at our Nation war memorial are we not, then proceeded to into our nations parliment to do what exactly, give out candy....of course it is all BS in your world ....But I'm sorry.... but from my planet it looks like a terrorist attack....And most of us on this web site are sure the FBI had nothing to do with it, Nor was it some Canadian Government plot. to some how justify sending our bombers to Iraq.... Not a plot ... but Harper sure jumped on the opportunity to use it that way. I think all some of us are saying is that with proper treatment of their mental health issues, neither Rouleau nor Bibeau might have been drawn to commit terrorist acts. . Quote
Army Guy Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 What is the proper treatment for mental health issues, I mean this problem has been around forever, it's had many names, and many proper treatments prescribed and yet no known cure as of yet... No one can say what the treatment is the way forward, right now all we have is giving people with mental health issues is coping skills, powerful drugs to turn them into zombies, then we turn them back onto the streets, leave them in their homes until the next vist...So i would say there is no known treatment... Next problem would be what do we do with all these people that have mental health issues, do we warehouse them like in the early years, lock them up , pump them up with drugs.....such as mental instutions....where they can not be influenced by social media.....or harm the outside world.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 Criticizing the source someone posts is not a personal attack. I don't know why you are taking it personally, it wasn't you who posted the RT link. He has posted them in the past, and he takes everything personally. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 An RT link is at least slightly more credible than a CBC or Toronto Star one. That's not saying much though. No, it's not, actually. It's not the least bit credible in any way. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 OGfT - there's the difference: criticizing versus ridiculing. I have had some offline discussions with the mods and continued to read the thread. Big Guy is also right that ridiculing escalates things, and I think that ridiculing takes the thread off the topic being discussed and into a discussion about thread decorum and other topics. And when does critizing become sarcasm become mockery become ridiculing? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 What is the proper treatment for mental health issues, I mean this problem has been around forever, it's had many names, and many proper treatments prescribed and yet no known cure as of yet... And the amount of 'problems' keep growing. Blame the psychiatrists and the drugs pushed by big pharma. No one can say what the treatment is the way forward, right now all we have is giving people with mental health issues is coping skills, powerful drugs to turn them into zombies, then we turn them back onto the streets, leave them in their homes until the next vist...So i would say there is no known treatment... There is treatment, the approach is what needs changing. Repeating the same things over expecting different results is a mental condition as well. Next problem would be what do we do with all these people that have mental health issues, do we warehouse them like in the early years, lock them up , pump them up with drugs.....such as mental instutions....where they can not be influenced by social media.....or harm the outside world.... The issue there is the approach is through phychiatry and pharma drugs which create the zombies. The real solution is psychology and group therapy and LESS drugs. Considering how abismal the government treats soliders returning from a war zone tells me they can absolutely do a better job. It comes down to money obviously. We have are participating in sorties to push back ISIS, but don't seem to have the resources to help those people returning to integrate back into society properly. Money for wars and the elites, no money to help the poor or those with mental issues. Well WWWTT it must have struck a cord some where or you would have not responded to "as you call it Total BS". We are talking about a person that shot a soldier at our Nation war memorial are we not, then proceeded to into our nations parliment to do what exactly, give out candy....of course it is all BS in your world ....But I'm sorry.... but from my planet it looks like a terrorist attack....And most of us on this web site are sure the FBI had nothing to do with it, Nor was it some Canadian Government plot. to some how justify sending our bombers to Iraq.... Not to justify sending war planes to Iraq, it wil be used to justify reducing rights and privacy of Canadians here at home. Quote
guyser Posted November 10, 2014 Report Posted November 10, 2014 An RT link is at least slightly more credible than a CBC or Toronto Star one. That's not saying much though. Ford Nation supporter? Quote
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