War Against ISIL

[GostHacked]

Each middle east nation that has been taken out has proven to have an increase in terrorist activities from the same groups that the war on terror was to eradicate.

Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya...... Mission Accomplished!!

[Argus]

Looks like Sunni ISIS have won this civil war. The land that is now referred to as ISIL appears to be the largest country in the area. They have no air force but there is no indication that either Iraq or Syria have the ability to challenge them. The Sunni population seems to prefer them rather than those American (and Iranian) puppets in Baghdad or Assad of Syria. There are municipal government organizations on the ground, police forces, social services and infrastructure organization. They have shown that they can win and are now trying to show that they can govern.

You sound like an ISIS fanboy. Maybe if you go over there they'll let you buy yourself a girl slave.

[eyeball]

You sound like an ISIS fanboy.

You sound like a sore loser.

[Big Guy]

Thanks eyeball - But I trust in the integrity and intelligence of those more educated posters to make their own decisions about my posts so I generally do not respond to ignorant cheap shots coming from the less informed who continue to target the poster when they have nothing to use to target the post. I have always believed that the way to uncover someone with unhealthy views is to give him/her a stage, a spotlight and a microphone - and allow them to spout away uninterrupted.

[marcus]

Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya...... Mission Accomplished!!

I am assuming Argus supported invading these countries which created the type of instability where these extreme fundamentalist groups have been able to gain power. I find these war fanboys to be part of the problem. They need to be reminded of that, especially when their terrible memories are displayed when they call for more wars.

[Argus]

You sound like a sore loser.

Uhhh, huh? WTH are you talking about? What have I lost?

[Argus]

I am assuming Argus supported invading these countries which created the type of instability where these extreme fundamentalist groups have been able to gain power. I find these war fanboys to be part of the problem. They need to be reminded of that, especially when their terrible memories are displayed when they call for more wars.

This kind of arrogant racism is commonplace among the far left. I've never really understood it, but basically it treats all non-whites as objects, or animals. Since they're not really thinking human beings, they aren't responsible for anything that happens to them or around them. That's the responsibility of whatever white group last interacted with them. If the whites traded with them, they're guilty of aiding and abetting them. If they refused to trade with them, they're guilty of starving children. If they made war on them they're guilty of murder. If they failed to make war on them they're guilty of collusion. But in no event are the non-whites considered responsible for anything they do because, well, they're just wretched animals who don't know any better.

Have I basically described your world view?

[Argus]

Thanks eyeball - But I trust in the integrity and intelligence of those more educated posters to make their own decisions about my posts so I generally do not respond to ignorant cheap shots coming from the less informed who continue to target the poster when they have nothing to use to target the post.

You were basically trumpeting ISIS' success and demanding it be recognized by the world as a legitimate government. Do you support slavery and genocide? It sounds like it.

[bush_cheney2004]

I am assuming Argus supported invading these countries which created the type of instability where these extreme fundamentalist groups have been able to gain power. I find these war fanboys to be part of the problem. They need to be reminded of that, especially when their terrible memories are displayed when they call for more wars.

Yeah...like that's gonna work. Canada has been invading and bombing more than ever. New memories !

[On Guard for Thee]

I am assuming Argus supported invading these countries which created the type of instability where these extreme fundamentalist groups have been able to gain power. I find these war fanboys to be part of the problem. They need to be reminded of that, especially when their terrible memories are displayed when they call for more wars.

Yeh but you have to keep that Merikun industrial complex topped up. Otherwise Mexican labor to pick the tomatoes might become too expensive.

[GostHacked]

You sound like a sore loser.

I'll add to this, .... When the going get tough, the weak throw out names. Also .. Canada.

[Canada_First]

Yeh but you have to keep that Merikun industrial complex topped up. Otherwise Mexican labor to pick the tomatoes might become too expensive.

We use seasonal Mexican farm labour here as well on Canada. They come up here during spring and stay until fall. They go back to Mexico and live like kings.

[On Guard for Thee]

We use seasonal Mexican farm labour here as well on Canada. They come up here during spring and stay until fall. They go back to Mexico and live like kings.

Ah the foreign labor comment was meant as a bit of sarcasm. Sorry you didnt get that or perhaps I should have bracketed it.

[marcus]

This kind of arrogant racism is commonplace among the far left. I've never really understood it, but basically it treats all non-whites as objects, or animals. Since they're not really thinking human beings, they aren't responsible for anything that happens to them or around them. That's the responsibility of whatever white group last interacted with them. If the whites traded with them, they're guilty of aiding and abetting them. If they refused to trade with them, they're guilty of starving children. If they made war on them they're guilty of murder. If they failed to make war on them they're guilty of collusion. But in no event are the non-whites considered responsible for anything they do because, well, they're just wretched animals who don't know any better.

Have I basically described your world view?

When you destroy the infrastructure, you don't understand the dynamics between different groups, and in some cases, you try to implant a system that was created for a different culture , you create chaos.

That's what America (and their coalition of the obligated) did in those countries and you're a fanboy for Western created chaos.

[eyeball]

Uhhh, huh? WTH are you talking about? What have I lost?

The opportunity to see anything you've ever predicted or imagined coming true as a result of your analysis and interpretation of what's happening.

In contrast everything that was ever predicted by the left, or some such thing, came true; the west is still losing on every front, it's stuck up to it's hips in a deep spreading quagmire it still can't even begin to fathom and has virtually nothing to show for the hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars it's wasted.

WTH have you won?

[Argus]

The opportunity to see anything you've ever predicted or imagined coming true as a result of your analysis and interpretation of what's happening.

I don't remember ever predicting anything would happen. The only thing I've ever done is shake my head at the barbarism, depravity and religious fanaticism of that region.

In contrast everything that was ever predicted by the left, or some such thing, came true; the west is still losing on every front,

it's stuck up to it's hips in a deep spreading quagmire it still can't even begin to fathom and has virtually nothing to show for the hundreds of

thousands of lives and trillions of dollars it's wasted.

WTH have you won?

The Left complained when we did nothing. They complained when we actively traded with them. They complained when we put sanctions in to stop trading with them. The Left likes to bitch and moan but it never has any ideas. I certainly agree the US made a major mistake in disbanding the Iraq army. But it was the Iraqi people who decided to start slaughtering each other, and are still doing it. It's the present Iraqi army which is riddled with corruption, nepotism and incompetence which continually throws away its weapons and runs away in fear from confronting ISIS. It's the people in ISIS who are enslaving, raping, torturing and slaughtering women and children. This is on them. The US, for all its errors, left Iraq with a functioning, democratically elected government and a well equipped army. The Iraqis threw it away.

[GostHacked]

I don't remember ever predicting anything would happen. The only thing I've ever done is shake my head at the barbarism, depravity and religious fanaticism of that region.

The Left complained when we did nothing. They complained when we actively traded with them. They complained when we put sanctions in to stop trading with them. The Left likes to bitch and moan but it never has any ideas. I certainly agree the US made a major mistake in disbanding the Iraq army. But it was the Iraqi people who decided to start slaughtering each other, and are still doing it. It's the present Iraqi army which is riddled with corruption, nepotism and incompetence which continually throws away its weapons and runs away in fear from confronting ISIS. It's the people in ISIS who are enslaving, raping, torturing and slaughtering women and children. This is on them. The US, for all its errors, left Iraq with a functioning, democratically elected government and a well equipped army. The Iraqis threw it away.

I think we've gone over this Sunni Shiite issue before. Let's loosely equate it to tensions in the USA with the media touted race war between whites and blacks.

Saddam was taken out and the gloves came off.

Also the US and allies did not set Iraq up properly for success. Bomb the hell out of everything and then stupidly ask why they have not gotten their shit together.

[eyeball]

I don't remember ever predicting anything would happen. The only thing I've ever done is shake my head at the barbarism, depravity and religious fanaticism of that region.

You merrily went along with those who've long predicted their actions will protect us and that they are all that stands between us and barbarism, depravity and religious fanaticism.

The Left complained when we did nothing.

No we simply told you what you were doing would continue to make everything worse. There's never been a time when your side did nothing - it's always up to something...always.

[Argus]

You merrily went along with those who've long predicted their actions will protect us and that they are all that stands between us and barbarism, depravity and religious fanaticism.

Well, WE seem to be doing okay.

No we simply told you what you were doing would continue to make everything worse. There's never been a time when your side did nothing - it's always up to something...always.

Always? I think what you're referring to is recent history in which the middle east, which was the source of much of the world's energy, and most of the world's religious fanaticism, has become a hotbed of competing interests. Naturally we, and everyone else, does their best to ensure that the flow of oil continues unabated. I wonder how many people would be content with us doing nothing if suddenly they weren't able to heat their homes or fuel their cars.

In any event, any withdrawal by the West would instantly be met by a dramatic upsurge in influence peddling by the Russians and Chinese.

Edited June 20, 2015 by Argus

[eyeball]

In any event, any withdrawal by the West would instantly be met by a dramatic upsurge in influence peddling by the Russians and Chinese.

Still pleading the big bad commies forced us to be sphincters?

Like I said, you guys seem perennially bent towards making things worse...you're really really good at it too.

Edited June 20, 2015 by eyeball

[Big Guy]

To eyeball - Who are "you guys"?

Do you mean guys like that raving left wing communist Rand Paul of the Republican Party who is running for President?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/27/rand-paul-isis_n_7452802.html

[eyeball]

I mean extreme western exeptionalists.

[Rue]

Rand Paul is not a communist. He is an odd version of libertarianism that detests any form of government and wants the US de-centralized back to small cliques doing their own thing with no central control. He is the furthest thing from a commie.

America is a military nation not a nation of me first anarchists. Its people by nature are warrior with a creed and code of fighting together for a common cause. They are a nation who rebelled from tyranny not because they were against being governed but because they were against an unfair government.

Americans don't like relying on government, government interference-but they don't hate the their government. They are for the most part damn proud to be Americans and support it. They might hate taxes and being told what to do but that doesn't mean they hate their country and the government agencies that defend it.

They die working for those agencies and supporting the government, the symbol of their nation. Thy reject right wing extremists no differently than any other extremists. \they are loyal in a way Canadians do not understand because our patriotism is very different and unpopular.

In America you are a proud American and proud of its military history.

In Canada we are reluctant and embarrassed, always apologizing for saying anything that calls for unity and a unified vision because we think it might alienate someone-we want people to put their selves first, Canada second thinking that makes us tolerant. It does not it simply makes us resentful and we smile acting tolerant but our resentment is there. Americans spit out what they think, we swallow it. They piss on trees, we get bladder infections from holding it in.

Now the above has nothing to do with ISIL these threads are always allowed to drift from the topic to accommodate anti Americanism,anti Israeli comments, anti Western comments. This thread was about ISIL.

Edited June 20, 2015 by Rue

[Argus]

Still pleading the big bad commies forced us to be sphincters?

Are you really that ignorant about how the Chinese are behaving in the third world, and how much money they're spending for influence?

Like I said, you guys seem perennially bent towards making things worse...you're really really good at it too.

And like I said, WE seem to be doing okay, and that's the primary job of our politicians. And also, like I said, you got no ideas for anything better.

[eyeball]

Are you really that ignorant about how the Chinese are behaving in the third world, and how much money they're spending for influence?

Where do you think they got the idea that was the normally accepted way powerful countries achieve their goals?

And like I said, WE seem to be doing okay, and that's the primary job of our politicians. And also, like I said, you got no ideas for anything better.

We seem to be going to hell in a hand basket just as often as not according to most of your posts, usually because of a bunch of politicians not doing their jobs properly. I have lots of ideas on that you just don't care for them is all.