dre Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 I don't doubt that you're a good shot. As long as the deer or elk are standing completely still. Whether they are still or not your best chance to kill is to aim for the boiler room. In any case an animal running towards you or away from you makes for an easy shot. The ones that run laterally across your field of view? Not so easy. I wont take that shot unless Im really close because your hole day can be shot if you wing an animal. Chasing it for a few hours sucks... trying to get it back to the road sucks even more. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
On Guard for Thee Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Whether they are still or not your best chance to kill is to aim for the boiler room. In any case an animal running towards you or away from you makes for an easy shot. The ones that run laterally across your field of view? Not so easy. I wont take that shot unless Im really close because your hole day can be shot if you wing an animal. Chasing it for a few hours sucks... trying to get it back to the road sucks even more. This is not about rednecks shooting animals. We are talking people here. If you want a hunting based thread, start one. Quote
jacee Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Any truthful eyewitness account or video can show what transpired. But guilt or culpability is based on intent. Did the officer consider his life to be in danger? If he did and followed procedures to deal with such a situation then he was doing his job. If he did not then it is obvious that the shooting was not warranted and some kind of charge will result. But - how is the intention of the officer going to be evaluated? Remember that if there is any doubt, then the accused is considered innocent. For this reason, almost all police shootings end up with dismissal Well so far it appears the police are lying: http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/18/hundreds-of-ferguson-residents-return-to-the-streets-as-national-guard-keeps-watch-over-protests Police have revealed little about the encounter between Mr. Brown and Darren Wilson, except to say there was a scuffle in which the officer was injured and Mr. Brown was shot. Witnesses say the teenager had his hands in the air as the officer fired multiple rounds. "scuffle" implies close range contact. Witnesses say that didn't happen. Evidence says ... Dr. Baden said there was no gun-powder residue on the body, indicating he was not shot at close range. The fatal shot was into the top of his head as he slumped over. No residue, not close range, not "a scuffle". Police are lying. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 If Brown was shot 6 times and the last two were to the head, that means he was charging the officer with 4 bullet wounds. How could that possibly be? He was probably on his way down to the ground, overcome with his injuries when his head was hit with 2 more bullets (maybe the cop felt he should put him out of his misery, like a wounded animal). 4 shots to the arm with a 9mm isn't going to stop you from running at a guy and it certainly won't bring you to the ground. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Well so far it appears the police are lying: http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/18/hundreds-of-ferguson-residents-return-to-the-streets-as-national-guard-keeps-watch-over-protests Police have revealed little about the encounter between Mr. Brown and Darren Wilson, except to say there was a scuffle in which the officer was injured and Mr. Brown was shot. Witnesses say the teenager had his hands in the air as the officer fired multiple rounds. "scuffle" implies close range contact. Witnesses say that didn't happen. Evidence says ... Dr. Baden said there was no gun-powder residue on the body, indicating he was not shot at close range. The fatal shot was into the top of his head as he slumped over. No residue, not close range, not "a scuffle". Police are lying. Baden never inspected any clothes, he also has not seen any X-rays. BTW - Its the police saying that there was a struggle for the gun , it was the "witness/co-hoodlum" who said that Wilson shot him at close range from the car. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Derek 2.0 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 If Brown was shot 6 times and the last two were to the head, that means he was charging the officer with 4 bullet wounds. How could that possibly be? He was probably on his way down to the ground, overcome with his injuries when his head was hit with 2 more bullets (maybe the cop felt he should put him out of his misery, like a wounded animal). The first grouping were to his arm, not critical to movement in a timeframe measured in seconds… .For instance, when Reagan was shot, he (nor the Secret Service) knew it until he started coughing up blood... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Whether they are still or not your best chance to kill is to aim for the boiler room. In any case an animal running towards you or away from you makes for an easy shot. The ones that run laterally across your field of view? Not so easy. I wont take that shot unless Im really close because your hole day can be shot if you wing an animal. Chasing it for a few hours sucks... trying to get it back to the road sucks even more. Agreed…….and applying that to this case, would indicate Brown was running towards the officer….or standing still…….or backpedaling Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 The first grouping were to his arm, not critical to movement in a timeframe measured in seconds… It is common for a right handed shooter to pull off target low & left during rapid fire because of poor trigger control (assuming that Wilson was aiming at center mass and that he is right handed). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 4 shots to the arm with a 9mm isn't going to stop you from running at a guy and it certainly won't bring you to the ground. That's correct.......Hence, the development of the 45 ACP cartridge….to stop raging Filipinos, when a .30 caliber cartridge (like 9mm) proved insufficient. Four of the initial rounds hitting Brown in the right arm would indicate a shaky right-handed shooter aiming at center-mass……several rounds to the noggin would indicate a shaky shooter, contending with muzzle rise, on a closing target………Only Bruce Willis and Dirty Harry purposely take head shots, with a hand gun, at a moving target.. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 It is common for a right handed shooter to pull off target low & left during rapid fire because of poor trigger control (assuming that Wilson was aiming at center mass and that he is right handed). Beat me too it.......that's very true, and more pronounced with a semi-auto cycling, then compared to a wheel gun. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Beat me too it.......that's very true, and more pronounced with a semi-auto cycling, then compared to a wheel gun. One of the disadvantages of a lightweight 9mm is the ratio of trigger force to the gun's weight/mass. Trigger control is easier with a long gun because the weight and moment arm of a rifle is far greater than trigger pull force. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 One of the disadvantages of a lightweight 9mm is the ratio of trigger force to the gun's weight/mass. Trigger control is easier with a long gun because the weight and moment arm of a rifle is far greater than trigger pull force. Exactly, and further compounded by lighter, modern service pistols (ie Glocks, S&W M&P, HK and SIGS) when contrasted with larger, heavier, older designs like a Beretta 92/M9. Quote
jacee Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) Baden never inspected any clothes, he also has not seen any X-rays. 1)The last and fatal shot was to the top of his head. Clothes are irrelevant. No gunshot residue there says it wasn't close range, says it was NOT a "scuffle" as police are claiming. 2) Police lying to cover something up suggests that they have to lie to cover something up, suggests that the shooting was not justified. 3) Black people in conflict with the law get shot by police everyday in the US without huge protests in the streets. What's different about this? The community knows it wasn't justified, that's what! 'Hands up' is surrendering to police. And he got shot?!?!! So now what are people supposed to do if they want to surrender to police WITHOUT getting shot?!?!?!! . Edited August 19, 2014 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 If you or me shot a guy six times with a handgun because he was "charging" us, our odds would not be so good. In the US? They'd be pretty damned good, actually. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 And it's still a police state tonight. Quite ridiculous. Maybe if people would stop rioting, burning and shooting the police could depart... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Black people in conflict with the law get shot by police everyday in the US without huge protests in the streets. And in Canadian streets. Half of all crime in the US is committed by Black people. We don't know in Canada because we don't keep stats. 'Hands up' is surrendering to police. And he got shot?!?!! His hands were not raised. That much is evident from the location of the bullet impact areas. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 I listened today to the entire interview/press conference with the pathologist who did the family sponsored autopsy and he pretty much poo pooed the "raging bull" idea for the reasons you speak of. Of course he has to include the disclaimer that not being there he can't be completely sure. Police sources saying they have a bunch of witnesses saying Brown attacked the cop, ran, then turned and charged back at him. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/18/report-more-than-a-dozen-witnesses-have-corroborated-officer-darren-wilsons-version-of-ferguson-shooting/ Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 I'm not really following this story all that close. I'd rather watch Pre-Season Football than CNN covering this. What are the protestor's demands? If dude is charged will they go away? Even if the worst is expected and the cop executed this kid simply because he was black, he'd still be entitled to due process to determine his guilt. Quote
Black Dog Posted August 19, 2014 Author Report Posted August 19, 2014 And in Canadian streets. Half of all crime in the US is committed by Black people. We don't know in Canada because we don't keep stats. Except blacks and Hispanics in the States are more likely to be arrested, prosecuted and charged than whites for the same crimes, which skews the numbers. Quote
BubberMiley Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Half of all crime in the US is committed by Black people.This forum is becoming a bullshit repository. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Half of all crime in the US is committed by Black people. We don't know in Canada because we don't keep stats. Really not possible given population distribution by "race", and patently false according to FBI Uniform Crime Reporting: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 So now what are people supposed to do if they want to surrender to police WITHOUT getting shot?!?!?!! Wear cameras that are connected to the internet and cloud storage, wear body armour or shoot the cop before he shoots you. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
waldo Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 This forum is becoming a bullshit repository. Argus needs a reboot: Quote
Argus Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 Really not possible given population distribution by "race", and patently false according to FBI Uniform Crime Reporting: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43 My mistake, I guess. They only commit half of all murders, manslaughters and robberies.... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Posted August 19, 2014 My mistake, I guess. They only commit half of all murders, manslaughters and robberies.... That's much better ! Give credit where it is due. I suppose that Asians also wonder why "whites" commit so much crime in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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